I love her so much, I had to hit her.

[Fandango 1,440]

i know the crowd. i added the first 2 non admins.

I have to say that the VJ FB page is irrelevant and shouldn't kept being brought up here.

Edited August 15, 2011 by Anita Cocktail

[SMOKE 1,426]

You say this, yet you keep coming back to post. Face it smoke, you're petty little comments on here reek of petulant butthurt.

try harder rob.

I have to say that the VJ FB page is irrelevant and shouldn't kept being brought up here.

it is completely irrelevant & i didn't bring it up.

[Danno 1,228]

Forgive me for being "on topic" but here was one presidents opinion on the matter.

Can a Presidential Candidate who has openly advocated secession from the Union be taken seriously when he professes to love America?

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.

-Abraham Lincoln

[Nina~ 431]

Forgive me for being "on topic" but here was one presidents opinion on the matter.

Can a Presidential Candidate who has openly advocated secession from the Union be taken seriously when he professes to love America?

Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable - a most sacred right - a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world.

-Abraham Lincoln

I believe Lincoln said that in reference to voting out the government that makes you unhappy, not secede from the union.

[Danno 1,228]

I believe Lincoln said that in reference to voting out the government that makes you unhappy, not secede from the union.

seriously?

[Nina~ 431]

seriously?

I misspoke. I thought that Lincoln made these remarks in response to the Civil war, but it looks like he made them in reference to Texas seceding from Mexico. However, I am also going to take this quote with a grain of salt because I can only find it quoted in Tea Party & other secessionist websites, and not in an academic websites.

But still, I don't see why Perry would want to become the President of a Nation that he is not particularly proud of.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Lincoln's quote was related to mexico and texas.

edit...nm Nina beat me to it.

Edited August 15, 2011 by Sousuke

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But still, I don't see why Perry would want to become the President of a Nation that he is not particularly proud of.

If you wish to see an independent Texas, what better place to be to be than the White House to ensure your wishes get a full and thorough hearing?

[Nina~ 431]

If you wish to see an independent Texas, what better place to be to be than the White House to ensure your wishes get a full and thorough hearing?

true.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Bloodless Succession is tempting...its a guaranteed jump in quality of life for some states.

[Danno 1,228]

I misspoke. I thought that Lincoln made these remarks in response to the Civil war, but it looks like he made them in reference to Texas seceding from Mexico. However, I am also going to take this quote with a grain of salt because I can only find it quoted in Tea Party & other secessionist websites, and not in an academic websites.

But still, I don't see why Perry would want to become the President of a Nation that he is not particularly proud of.

It's not about "being proud" at all, it's more like what Abe said- shaking off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better.

SOmetimes peoples just can't agree on things and so it is their Right to form their own Government.... just as we did when we divorced ourself from british rule.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I find it ironic that Lincoln promoted Texas splitting from Mexico, yet he was all against the South going their own way.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Actually, it's us chicks who have AJ on a tight leash.

No doubt!

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

I find it ironic that Lincoln promoted Texas splitting from Mexico, yet he was all against the South going their own way.

He wanted to send all the negroes to Texas and split it from the Union since Mexicans wouldn't care about intermarrige, etc.

Controlling and abusive behaviour is never acceptable by either Men or Women.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

i know the crowd. i added the first 2 non admins.

And both promptly left.