BREAKING: S & P Downgrades Iowa’s IQ

[Pooky 3,786]

The only reality there is. You might think that you have discovered an alternate reality but I'm here to tell you that it doesn't exist. The public is in favor of addressing jobs before addressing the deficit. The public is in favor of addressing the deficit via a mix of raising revenues and cutting spending. The public is in favor of protecting Medicare and Social Security. And that's just for starters. People also believe in protecting our environment, tapping alternate energy sources and investing in our children and their education. The GOP is against all of that. Obama and the Democrats support these views. That's the reality whether you elect to participate in it or not. The GOP isn't sliding in public opinion for no reason.

But neither major party has shown any aptitude at achieving results. I doubt the current GOP slide will last long, if the grim economic news keeps coming, which looks depressingly likely.

And, if it does, 2012 may turn into the 2010 results on steroids, for no other reason than the idiots in elected office don't deserve the support of the American people. In turn, this stands to benefit candidates seen as not belonging to the mainstream parties, as they may be seen as the only candidates offering real change in Washington.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

But neither major party has shown any aptitude at achieving results. I doubt the current GOP slide will last long, if the grim economic news keeps coming, which looks depressingly likely.

And, if it does, 2012 may turn into the 2010 results on steroids, for no other reason than the idiots in elected office don't deserve the support of the American people. In turn, this stands to benefit candidates seen as not belonging to the mainstream parties, as they may be seen as the only candidates offering real change in Washington.

I think people will be more careful in 2012 with the non-establishment types. The Tea Party is not exactly more popular today than it was 2 years ago. People like change but they also like people capable of governing. The Tea Party isn't capable of governing. It's a protest movement that knows what they're against but they don't have the capacity to actually govern.

Kind of reminds me of the Green Party in Germany which started out just that way. It took them decades to get themselves aligned with the realities of governing. They've managed to grow out of their diapers and have become a formidable political force in Germany. The Tea Party here is still in diapers and the way things are going, I don't see how they will ever grow out of them. They might over the next 20-30 years but as they do, they, too, will be more mainstream, less radical and more BAU. It's the way it goes.

[Pooky 3,786]

I think people will be more careful in 2012 with the non-establishment types. The Tea Party is not exactly more popular today than it was 2 years ago. People like change but they also like people capable of governing. The Tea Party isn't capable of governing. It's a protest movement that knows what they're against but they don't have the capacity to actually govern.

Kind of reminds me of the Green Party in Germany which started out just that way. It took them decades to get themselves aligned with the realities of governing. They've managed to grow out of their diapers and have become a formidable political force in Germany. The Tea Party here is still in diapers and the way things are going, I don't see how they will ever grow out of them. They might over the next 20-30 years but as they do, they, too, will be more mainstream, less radical and more BAU. It's the way it goes.

At least the German Green Party were entertaining, with their Parliamentary Punch-Ups

As for the Tea Party, don't be surprised if the depressed economic climate gives them more traction, and less goofball candidates, than they achieved in 2010. Obama may still be hovering around a 40% approval rating. Congress is at 10% and falling. Change is coming, the only unknown is the flavour.

[scandal 951]

Maybe we are finally ready for a serious Independent candidacy. We do try them every so often.

Ross Perot was nuts, but John Anderson wasn't.

I'd strongly consider a Michael Bloomberg (I) run in 2012.

[SMOKE 1,426]

and you helped elect him. i hope you're proud of yourself.

I elected you?

Must have been drunk or something...

no, you helped elect the big O w/ the big nothing coming from it. have another drink, the adults will clean up your mess in nov. 2012.

[mawilson 2,133]

I think people will be more careful in 2012 with the non-establishment types. The Tea Party is not exactly more popular today than it was 2 years ago.

Keep telling yourself that.

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'BREAKING: S & P Downgrades Iowa’s IQ Straw Poll ‘Alarms’ Ratings Agency Rate Topic:'

gotta agree. 1-bachmann, 2-paul.

the good thing is this doesn't decide the nomination. i do think obama is in deep water though. i'm looking at a perry/romney or a romney/perry ticket in the presidential election. obama is facing the same thing he took advantage of when he was elected....people looking to punish whoever is in office now.

eta: feel free to sub pawlenty in for either name on the ticket too.

i actually think paul could be very competitive in the general. he's "fresh" in a pool full of stale political players.

Maybe we are finally ready for a serious Independent candidacy. We do try them every so often.

Ross Perot was nuts, but John Anderson wasn't.

I'd strongly consider a Michael Bloomberg (I) run in 2012.

I was hoping Bloomberg would run I in 2008. I continue to hope he runs in 2012. He'll have my vote.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Keep telling yourself that.

The Tea Party is not popular. Their unfavorable exceeds their favorable rating. Increasingly so. But keep telling yourself that they are in good shape.

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

The Tea Party is not popular. Their unfavorable exceeds their favorable rating. Increasingly so. But keep telling yourself that they are in good shape.

If they manage to gain power I predict the passage of an enabling act, something along the lines of a Law to Remedy the Distress of the People and the State . :help:

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

Could be.

But if it's Bachmann in the White House, the construction crews will be right behind the moving truck.

So they can build a rubber room.

Won't happen, Sex Education and all forms of birth control will be banned and all rubber production will be outlawed, just in case someone gets any ideas.

[mawilson 2,133]

I was hoping Bloomberg would run I in 2008. I continue to hope he runs in 2012. He'll have my vote.

Bloomberg is a Jewish New Yorker who doesn't have any respect for the rule of

law as he orchestrated the overturn of term limits in 2008 to pursue a third

term for himself. Few politicians are more anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment

than Michael Bloomberg.

No amount of money in the world will make the "heartland" vote for this guy.

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Bloomberg is a Jewish New Yorker who doesn't have any respect for the rule of

law as he orchestrated the overturn of term limits in 2008 to pursue a third

term for himself. Few politicians are more anti-gun and anti-2nd Amendment

than Michael Bloomberg.

No amount of money in the world will make the "heartland" vote for this guy.

Yeap, the heartland is a huge problem. Another reason I hope Perry doesn't shy away from his secession remarks. It's a conversation this nation needs to have again (but this time nicely).