Berlin Wall turns 50

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Polish Solidarity, a Polish Pope, and Gorbachev's impotence in Eastern Europe did more than Reagan's speech.

The Afghan war helped also. The Soviet Union was going broke at the time, and that war helped bring them down that much more. But ya, by electing a Polish Pope (a giant pr*ck of a pope I might add), helped big time.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

my post was primarily directed towards the Reagan haters

So, you were trolling. Good hunting.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Well that's one interpretation, Gary. To me, it's meaningless bullshit.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/324583-sf-cell-shutdown-safety-issue-or-hint-of-orwell/page__view__findpost__p__4845265 <---- you see that ? Now take a hint and take a hike if you don't have sh*t to say on this topic other than your usual bs on here.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/324583-sf-cell-shutdown-safety-issue-or-hint-of-orwell/page__view__findpost__p__4845265 <---- you see that ? Now take a hint and take a hike if you don't have sh*t to say on this topic other than your usual bs on here.

That was directed at you as well kipster

Chill out.

[_Simpson_ 250]

So, you were trolling. Good hunting.

I learned from the best.

I thought Bush Senior was President when the wall crumbled.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Reagan championed wacky economics and got into hot water over Iran contra. Hardly a white knight.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Reagan was a crook and a half. He waved the flag, got a break on the Iran hostage situation, and made the best of it. As far as him giving two craps about the American worker...lol.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The Afghan war helped also. The Soviet Union was going broke at the time, and that war helped bring them down that much more. But ya, by electing a Polish Pope (a giant pr*ck of a pope I might add), helped big time.

It was a cascade failure for sure. One could say the fall was inevitable with the death of Tito and the dissolution of Yugoslavia. Once (ethnic) nationalism took hold there, the collapse of the USSR was shown possible.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Reagan championed wacky economics and got into hot water over Iran contra. Hardly a white knight.

If your looking for a white knight among elected officials I would suggest you see a therapist.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If your looking for a white knight among elected officials I would suggest you see a therapist.

I'm not looking for one, no. Even if I were, it wouldn't be a reason to seek therapy.

Edited August 15, 2011 by fishdude

[nane1104 146]

Good grief...this could have been such a cool topic.

Has anyone of you been in Germany when the wall came down? When the first people walked through the checkpoints or climbed over the wall? When families got reunited?

I know you all like to tear each other apart, but really, is all the political stuff the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear about the fall of the wall? (Yes, I am aware it's the P&R forum)

Just sayin'....

BTW: If you ever get the chance to travel to Berlin, stop by a the Museum at Checkpoint Charlie, it's fantastic!!!

[scandal 951]

I know you all like to tear each other apart, but really, is all the political stuff the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear about the fall of the wall? (Yes, I am aware it's the P&R forum)

+1

Of course, around here everything is just bloodsport, nothing is sacred.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Good grief...this could have been such a cool topic.

Has anyone of you been in Germany when the wall came down? When the first people walked through the checkpoints or climbed over the wall? When families got reunited?

I know you all like to tear each other apart, but really, is all the political stuff the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear about the fall of the wall? (Yes, I am aware it's the P&R forum)

Just sayin'....

BTW: If you ever get the chance to travel to Berlin, stop by a the Museum at Checkpoint Charlie, it's fantastic!!!

There is a pretty decent Cold War exhibit at the Reagan Presidential Library in Simi Valley, California. (Not Sylmar like I posted elsewhere. But if you made it to Sylmar, they will give you directions to get there. They are not that far apart.)

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Polish Solidarity, a Polish Pope, and Gorbachev's impotence in Eastern Europe did more than Reagan's speech.

You really need to study the decline of the Soviet Union. Reagans speech had NOTHING to do with it and neither did Polish Solidarity (Czechs had that in 1968 and you see how well it worked for them) Those were both symptoms, not causes.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Good grief...this could have been such a cool topic.

Has anyone of you been in Germany when the wall came down? When the first people walked through the checkpoints or climbed over the wall? When families got reunited?

I know you all like to tear each other apart, but really, is all the political stuff the first thing that comes to your mind when you hear about the fall of the wall? (Yes, I am aware it's the P&R forum)

Just sayin'....

BTW: If you ever get the chance to travel to Berlin, stop by a the Museum at Checkpoint Charlie, it's fantastic!!!

We have to or they would move it to "off Topic" and no one would ever see it again.

Psssst...the Berlin Wall is political.