Oh my gosh! Somebody please help me!

[Kristi & Fady 0]

Everyone back off! Where do we all conclude he was ever found positive? If he is a decent guy and ADMITTED to once using marijuana, they may be basing this year of testing solely on that honest disclosure! To the OP, explore this possibility. You may have been right to believe him before. Don't jump to conclusions without considering all the possibilities!

Thank you.

[Ready to do it 101]

I think that if he told the Embassy he smoked weed 4 years ago, that is probably why he got denied. Thus, I think step 1 is simply found out if the tests were negative. If they were, they denied him for a year simply because of the admission. Others could probably chime in with more knowledge, but if that is in fact the case I see no need for a lawyer nor the need to go there have private tests done etc. This is your best case scenario, it means no lies were told to you and it's simply a 1 year denial b/c of the admission. Obviously, he needs to stay clean for a year as they have stated they will do random testing, but other than that I personally would now be much more at ease (after you find out the two tests were negative).

Thank you.

[NY_BX 397]

No no no...Fady told me he had smoked weed a long time ago. It was one of the first topics we discussed. Its something I don't accept so I knew up front. Anyway maybe the embassy really is basing this off of him doing it 4 years ago. They had asked him in the interview and I even told him to tell the truth no matter3 what they asked. So the embassy did know this info during his interview. He didn't lie to them. Plus we talk almost every day on webcam and he never looks stoned or to be on a drug. And my ex bf was an alcoholic and he did all kinds of drugs! I know what people look like on drugs. That's why its so hard to believe what is happening. I do trust my american employees and I wrote them back asking for them to tell me if both tests were positive and if so then what drug. So we'll see what they say. But right now I think we need a lawyer. Anyone know of a good one in cairo or tanta? Thanks!

That's what I'm starting to think happened....

I truly believe you're lying to yourself, I'm sorry. In your embassy review and in this thread, you stated that they asked him if he was high or under the influence. You claim he said he was "tired & sleepy." Then apparently they requested an extra test. So, what's the truth? Did he admit it on the interview or did he have blood-shot eyes and they discriminated against him? Is it both? Did he reveal the truth and the interviewer mentioned he indeed looked stoned therefore he was required to do another test? Either way there are many facts in this story that are shady. One thing is right: tests don't lie. Before you spend money in a lawyer, I believe a poster here presented a great idea: ask him to go and get tested in a private clinic. Contact the clinic and have them scan and email or fax you the results.

Look, I know it may be harsh. I asked my fiancee to go and get tested for all std's. Even though he was highly offended, he did it for 2 reasons: 1. He understood my point and knew I was doing the same thing for him, and 2. He loves me and wants to make sure I am comfortable and healthy. This did NOT mean we would engage in any type of physical activity. It just meant we were being truthful and responsible with each other.

Please take care of yourself.

[J&N* 68]

God only knows what is going on, but as far as I know, the embassy wouldn't deny you unless they did find something your recent tests, not something you did 4 years ago, I mean simply think there might be tons of people working at the embassy that smoked something during high school or whatever, everyone falls (just think Lindsay Lohan), I know some people here come with cases with past addictions or criminal backgrounds and they get accepted anyway cause they said the truth, not because they did something stupid in the past.

Only God and Fady now know the truth, and that's just me, I wouldn't be upset that he did weed at a certain point of time, I'd be more upset if he lied to me. Hopefully that's not the case with you, maybe someone did a mistake somewhere. Fady would need to find a good lawyer to represent him, I'm not sure if the ban is reversible?

I hope I didn't upset you in any way, I'm honestly trying to help.

[Alianza Terps 12]

God only knows what is going on, but as far as I know, the embassy wouldn't deny you unless they did find something your recent tests, not something you did 4 years ago, I mean simply think there might be tons of people working at the embassy that smoked something during high school or whatever, everyone falls (just think Lindsay Lohan), I know some people here come with cases with past addictions or criminal backgrounds and they get accepted anyway cause they said the truth, not because they did something stupid in the past.

Only God and Fady now know the truth, and that's just me, I wouldn't be upset that he did weed at a certain point of time, I'd be more upset if he lied to me. Hopefully that's not the case with you, maybe someone did a mistake somewhere. Fady would need to find a good lawyer to represent him, I'm not sure if the ban is reversible?

I hope I didn't upset you in any way, I'm honestly trying to help.

From my understanding, simply admitting to past drug use can be a pretty big deal. If the tests were positive, would the U.S. embassy even consider giving him a second chance to repent and try to obtain a visa again? U.S. federal law on drugs is not that forgiving. Perhaps the tests were negative and they want a year to reconfirm this? 4 years isn't that long ago in the world of U.S. immigration.

[J&N* 68]

I was talking about if the tests were negative and he was clean NOW.

[Ready to do it 101]

I am not going to say you are incorrect, as I have not read the rules. However, I have read on VJ that admission of past drug use is a reason for a denial. In fact I just read about 2-3 cases of it on this forum a few weeks ago. The admission itself caused 1 year bans on all 2 or 3 cases that were just here on this forum last week. No failed drug test is needed. The admission got them the ban. Look for it. I beleive they all occured with Jamaicans

God only knows what is going on, but as far as I know, the embassy wouldn't deny you unless they did find something your recent tests, not something you did 4 years ago, I mean simply think there might be tons of people working at the embassy that smoked something during high school or whatever, everyone falls (just think Lindsay Lohan), I know some people here come with cases with past addictions or criminal backgrounds and they get accepted anyway cause they said the truth, not because they did something stupid in the past.

[wendy&tamer 10]

Hi everyone...Fady had been in AP for over a month now. I decided to write the embassy last night to ask them how much longer he would be in AP and how come our case status didn't show up on the embassy website. This was their reply:

Thank you for your e-mail message.

Please note that Mr. Fadel Allah was found inadmissible for one year under section 212(a)(1)(A)(iv) of the Immigration and Nationality Act. During his year of inadmissibility, we will contact Mr. Fadel Allah and request random tests.

We hope the above information is helpful.

If you love him and he loves you, then sorry for the wait but I guess he will have to stick it out and do the random tests. I hope you can sit and talk to him.....SERIOUS TALK. If the embassy thought it might be any "other" medication, they would have asked him was he taking any prescription medicine. I hope you can find the answers you are looking for, be careful and trust yourself. You are under a lot of stress and I hope you can make heads or tails of this and do what is best for you and Fady. Do you have any other trips planned for Egypt? It is hard being far apart and things like this are such a painful reminder that you cant always believe what you see or hear. No one can tell you how to handle this but many her are just telling you how we see the info you have passed onto us. Have the strength to make the decisions YOU must make, no one else can do that. I just hope you proceed with caution and open eyes.

Regards,

Consular Section

U.S. Embassy, Cairo

WS

WHAT THE HECK DOES THIS MEAN?! IM IN COMPLETE SHOCK!!!! WE ARE DENIED FOR A YEAR? WHAT THE HECK IS SECTION 212 WHATEVER WHATEVER?! OH MY GOSH!!!!!!!! IM HYSTERICALY RIGHT NOW! SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHAT THE HECK THIS MEANS!

[Hank55 5]

http://travel.state.gov/visa/frvi/ineligibilities/ineligibilities_1364.html Sorry

[Alianza Terps 12]

I was talking about if the tests were negative and he was clean NOW.

If even the tests were negative and he was clean NOW, the fact that he admitted drug use in the past is reasonable grounds for the embassy to deny the visa. U.S. immigration is not very forgiving about your past illegal history and he will need to "serve his time" and try again. This will always be a part of his immigration record.

I think the only exceptions for an embassy to excuse past drug use are if you engaged in the acts over 10 years ago or before you turned 18. I could be wrong but I remember reading something about this on a past VJ post a few months ago when someone admitted smoking marijuana in high school during their medical and the doctor asked if it had been over 10 years ago.

Your journey has become more complicated so I would advise to take your time and investigate your options, your feelings, and your relationship. Personally, I would think that if the embassy ever received a positive drug test, they would be very unlikely to ever let him into the U.S. The fact that he got a one-year ban seems more like a consequence of having done drugs in the past and making sure he isn't doing them now or in the future.

[wendy&tamer 10]

Sorry my comment got caught in the middle of your original post.

[HYENA 4]

He was tested, it showed positive. He was tested again. It was positive. Being tired is completely different than looking high. It is often difficult for someone attracted (unconsciously) to addicts/alcoholics. How do I know? I work in the field; it's my profession.

The things that pop out to me adding the weight of statistics... Forgive me; it's not your fault but I must say this. Statistics say if one has chosen an addict or an alcoholic in the past, they will choose another (often having no idea). I've done the same and after we bought a house together, she was tipping half gallons of vodka straight down the hatch. I can spot an addict/alcoholic in a room full of people because I'm attracted to them. It's a common phenomenon (go to an ALANON meeting and ask them; they laugh about it it's so prevalent). OK...enough of the statistical choices we make.

Next you asked for prayers (or alluded to that asking for an answer). Re-read your post; your prayers were answered before you wrote your post. Should you remain with him? You prayed for an answer and I can tell you he was untruthful. If he tested positive then popped him for a subsequent test, any opiate seeds (poppy) would have been at such a low level, they would be out of the system in less than 3 days (3 days for opiates to clear urine, as much as 4-8 weeks for marijuana). He tested positive; we know that and these tests already have cutoff values to take into account secondary exposure (meaning so many parts per million there is a cutoff where they consider the test negative). Poppy seeds are accounted in most tests and they raise the cutoff a little higher unless someone ate a handfull (and I seriously doubt poppy seed bagels are popular in Egypt--or poppy seed anything). False positive? You just don't see them on a second test because the second test is often gas spectrometry where they burn/vaporize the sample and read the telltake wavelengths of it's content signature. Hard to explain but he was positive (likely with the inexpensive quick test) then the retest was more than likely gas spectrometry. GS is what they use on hair samples and it is highly accurate.

It is difficult to see what has been written and review, but if you open your eyes, your prayers are answered and you know the truth deep down inside. THere is something about this man you are attracted to and as humans, we tend to repeat mistakes. I'm attracted to addicts whether or not they are using, whether or not I have prior knowledge of their use. It's a sick sixth sense I seem to be cursed with. My wife (luckily) has alcohol intolerance so I got lucky this time (because I knew I would more than likely choose an addict or an addict in the making given my dead on history. It's the same reason an abused spouse will often remarry and subsequently (if she survives two previous marriages) keep choosing those who have a propensity to abuse. I can't explain this phenomenon but it is real and tangible. Denial is a huge part of this and working in the field now, "earth people" can see things I previously couldn't. I now can sniff out the users in a room because I have an affinity towards them. Perhaps this is the case?

I can tell you one thing; beyond a doubt, your man has been less than honest with you and if you keep holding out for possible explanations, you will have reservations/reasons not to believe what has just happened, and just happened again (2 positive tests).

If you REALLY want to get to the truth, I believe in my heart you can pull it out of him. If it were me, I would "make it OK" sounding on the phone or webcam whereby he feels comfortable admitting he used a little. If you make it comfortable for him to let down his guard and admit it, then he'll tell you the truth. I hate to say it, but you may consider (what I've used interrogating) is that there may be a way out of all this and if he can tell you what he used, you think there's a good chance you can come up with an explanation for the embassy but he needs to be straight with you. Make it OK for him to admit it and he will; he wants to tell you if you're OK with it. Duirng my days, the heck if I was going to tell anyone unless it was OK with them. If they said it was intolerable and unacceptable, there would be no way I would have admitted at the time I was using XYZ drugs when I was, even in the face of positive tests (and yes, I've tested positive and been in that situation). I know a lot about this and I wish I could see you in person to emphasize you're not seeing what God has set out before you. We all want what we want and we pray for signs....The man stranded on an island refused the boats and helicopters only to starve and die because he was waiting for God to pick him up...God said "I sent a friggin helicopter and boat, what do you want a limousine"?

Open your eyes; you have a full life ahead of you. Be aware of your propensity to be attracted to addicts and take that into account while seeking a spouse. I know my faults and embrace them so I can deal with them. Denial will surely lead me back to the chaos I once lived. Don't spend any more money on this situation. You prayed and your prayers were answered. Go back and review your answers; no one is sending a limousine. You've got two tests and plenty of good suggestions. Be aware of your preference to cling onto the suggestions you WANT to hear versus those you NEED to hear. If this isn't a sign from above, hold out for the limo.

Tiredness has never warranted my being suspect of using but using drugs always has warranted concerns like those the embassy. Tested once, he was unable to get clean for the second test, tested again and failed again. Funny thing is MOST of the time, we cannot tell when one has been using (ever done an employee-wide drug screen?) You have a solid 10% who come up positive where no one had any idea they had drugs (or traces) in their system.

FYI, no drugs last a year in your system unless it is a year old hair sample. THe longest is marijuanna which can max out at a couple months. OK...done with my book.

IN summary, tell him you know people who smoke pot and it's legal in some states with a doctor's note...loosen him up and make it ok to tell you what happened. Otherwise the deception/denial cycle will continue and begin to cost money and years of your life.

When I was in my prime, I certainly could clean up for a couple months no problem. Employee of the year? That's me! no one knew except me and I would have admitted it to anyone who was OK with the truth back then.

You're a good person. He is a good person who is afraid of coming out. It just may not be meant to be.

[J&N* 68]

If even the tests were negative and he was clean NOW, the fact that he admitted drug use in the past is reasonable grounds for the embassy to deny the visa. U.S. immigration is not very forgiving about your past illegal history and he will need to "serve his time" and try again. This will always be a part of his immigration record.

I think the only exceptions for an embassy to excuse past drug use are if you engaged in the acts over 10 years ago or before you turned 18. I could be wrong but I remember reading something about this on a past VJ post a few months ago when someone admitted smoking marijuana in high school during their medical and the doctor asked if it had been over 10 years ago.

Your journey has become more complicated so I would advise to take your time and investigate your options, your feelings, and your relationship. Personally, I would think that if the embassy ever received a positive drug test, they would be very unlikely to ever let him into the U.S. The fact that he got a one-year ban seems more like a consequence of having done drugs in the past and making sure he isn't doing them now or in the future.

This makes no sense to me, if they were gonna reject him from the start after they found out he did drugs 4 years ago, why did they ask for a SECOND test? Why not just call it quits after the first test? Why bother again with his paperwork?

[paul_kay 31]

I know someone from VJ too who applied for a K1 and K2. During the medical exam, the son (K2) admitted to have used Marijuana 2 years ago. Thus, he was denied of the visa for 1 year and was asked to do random drug testing. They were from Jamaica.

Since the OP told her fiance to "never lie about anything", probably the disclosure about previous drug use caused this. Anything related to drugs is a big No No in immigration process. A girl who did the medical exam with me admitted to the doctor that she experimented with Marijuana 4 years ago too, she was held for a series of tests. I don't know what happened to her interview though. It's a case to case basis.

[Alianza Terps 12]

This makes no sense to me, if they were gonna reject him from the start after they found out he did drugs 4 years ago, why did they ask for a SECOND test? Why not just call it quits after the first test? Why bother again with his paperwork?

Well, the embassy plans on giving him random drugs tests throughout the year. This could be the start of that. Why not start the random testing at the interview?

If he told the embassy that the last time he tried drugs was 4 years ago and he tested positive now, then wouldn't he receive a lifetime ban for lying? The consulate asked him during the interview if he was on drugs and he replied "no" so if his test was positive, he is committing fraud. If he told the embassy he had tried drugs 4 years ago and he continually tests negative now and throughout the year, the consulate can give the visa knowing that this applicant has been clean and is true to his word.

My point is that if he actually tested positive, then I would think he would be facing harsher penalties, like misrepresentation and fraud, not just a one-year ban.