Is this offensive?

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Tragic. This Pope doesn't seem to posess the grace or charisma that John Paul II had. JPII was a man of the people - this new Pope seems so removed and impersonal.

at least you won't have to worry about getting a fatwah from him

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I agree with you Dani

I don't have an issue with Islam. I have a problem with the Western world having to act so delicately around Muslims because they are so sensitive and volatile about their religion. And yet they show no respect or sensitivity towards the Christian world.

There has been sugggestions in recent years to cancel Easter celebrations in Govt schools in Australia because it offends the Muslim students and their families. Would they give the same consideration to a Christian person in the Middle East?? Wouldn't that be funny?!!!

Very good points. The Pope uses his mouth to say words and Christian churches get burn. Nice Tolerance.

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I agree with you Dani

I don't have an issue with Islam. I have a problem with the Western world having to act so delicately around Muslims because they are so sensitive and volatile about their religion. And yet they show no respect or sensitivity towards the Christian world.

There has been sugggestions in recent years to cancel Easter celebrations in Govt schools in Australia because it offends the Muslim students and their families. Would they give the same consideration to a Christian person in the Middle East?? Wouldn't that be funny?!!!

Very good points. The Pope uses his mouth to say words and Christian churches get burn. Nice Tolerance.

remember when christian churches were burned in the south and it was called a "hate crime" then?

burn one in the middle east and it's called "justified" apparently.

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at least you won't have to worry about getting a fatwah from him

oh but we have- in many more conservative churches inthe US, religious rituals are returning to a pre-Vactican II interpretation- one example women are no longer allowed to stand at alter. A direct attack on the role of women play in the church following the leadership of a Pope who would like to overturn some of the progession of Vactican II.

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that's exactly it!

imagine what would happen to a christian living in a muslim country who demanded his rights? he'd be captured and killed....

it's a dichotomy of peace vs. hatred.

one religion preaches peace and tolerance and forgiveness...turning the other cheek. the other religion preaches jihad.

one religion preaches that God loves all people of the world equally...even those that don't love Him back. the other religion preaches death to the infadels.

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My husband is Muslim and he said the Pope made a boo boo with that one.

Your hubby is right.

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at least you won't have to worry about getting a fatwah from him

oh but we have- in many more conservative churches inthe US, religious rituals are returning to a pre-Vactican II interpretation- one example women are no longer allowed to stand at alter. A direct attack on the role of women play in the church following the leadership of a Pope who would like to overturn some of the progession of Vactican II.

fatwa (pl. fatawi): an opinion by a qualified scholar on a point of law, not necessarily binding.

a term used in islam

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that's exactly it!

imagine what would happen to a christian living in a muslim country who demanded his rights? he'd be captured and killed....

it's a dichotomy of peace vs. hatred.

one religion preaches peace and tolerance and forgiveness...turning the other cheek. the other religion preaches jihad.

one religion preaches that God loves all people of the world equally...even those that don't love Him back. the other religion preaches death to the infadels.

What is your definition of a "Muslim" country? Saudi Arabia? Most of the Muslim world agree the Saudi Government is the worst practice of Islamic prinicples.

I see Christians preaching hate and intolerance all the time- Most Christians would argue these "christians" are not speaking the truth about the religious teachings.

Why are Westerners able to distinquish between Christians who misuse their religion , yet lump all Muslims in one category of hate and intolerance?

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Charles you are learning so much over in the MENA forum!

Jackie

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Charles you are learning so much over in the MENA forum!

Jackie

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at least you won't have to worry about getting a fatwah from him

oh but we have- in many more conservative churches inthe US, religious rituals are returning to a pre-Vactican II interpretation- one example women are no longer allowed to stand at alter. A direct attack on the role of women play in the church following the leadership of a Pope who would like to overturn some of the progession of Vactican II.

fatwa (pl. fatawi): an opinion by a qualified scholar on a point of law, not necessarily binding.

a term used in islam

you say tomato, i say tomato

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In the interest of fairness, and to illustrate why I think all religion should be illegal....

For devout Christians Michael and Patricia Watson it should have been the perfect end to a perfect night.

But when they sat down to watch Mel Gibson's controversial film The Passion of the Christ it almost ended their marriage.

The couple began to row about the contents of the Hollywood blockbuster after a theological discussion grew increasingly heated.

The extraordinary argument ended when Mr Watson tried to strangle his wife - only releasing his grip when she appealed to his religious beliefs. She begged: "I'm anointed by God, you know that, Michael. Do not touch God's anointed."

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...film/article.do

ATHENS, Ala. Sep 8, 2006 (AP)— A woman and two roommates are accused of holding her brother at gunpoint as she prayed for his repentance, even firing a shot into the ceiling to keep his attention.

Randy Doss, 46, of Athens said he fled the house when his captors got distracted and later went to police, who were skeptical at first because his story was so bizarre. But police said it checked out, including the bullet hole in the ceiling.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=2412...TC-RSSFeeds0312

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Unfortunately this man represents the church and he knows what and why he says what he say. He is not just a man. And I totally I agree that not all Catholics or Christians believe in what he says, the pressure is not on the western world or Christians is on their leaders who are desperately trying to poison the bridges between cultures and religion. The pope ignored history and acted as if he is innocent and people took his speech out of context.

He ignored the 500 years of crusade in the middle east when his church and by the name of God killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims and eastern christens and stole their land and wealth for over hundred years. the pope ignored when in the last century the over hundred years when the west occupied the Arab/ Muslim land and killed hundred of thousands, I never heard an apology or a comment for that.

He also ignored the Holocaust which happened in Europe and in his own country killing innocent people and again in the name of God and because they are different. Any by the way the Jew sought refuge with many Muslim Khalif's (leaders) when they ran away from the discrimination and the killing that was waged against them in Europe- go the National Museum of History in NY and read the testaments from many of the Jewish rabaies.

He claims that Islam forces itself by war, please let him or anyone else go back to history and count the number of wars between Muslims and others and tell me where it happened; in Europe or in the East? And who moved armies to fight whom.

The pope ignored the many years of killing his church initiated against the Eastern Church killing many thousands of their leaders unless they submit to the pope in Rome.

And if Muslims are so cruel and forceful, how come we still have many Christians living among us in the Arab World with their own churches and getting the full support from Muslim /Arab government. As a matter of fact we have an entire country (Lebanon) who by the constitution must have a Christian president.

And No we do not want the western world to be sensitive to our needs or around us or stop your celebrations. Your religion and celebrations do not offend us as matter of fact we Muslims believe equally in Muses, Jesus and Mohammed; they are all brothers and messenger of God. What offended us is what some the western leaders and recently church leaders lie about our religion and prophet. And what offend us more is when they play innocent and ignorant.

I urge you to read more and do your own research

The Crusades were a response to 300 years of Muslim invasions and oppression. The Near East, Middle East and North Africa, the cradle of Christianity, used to be Christian civilizations, till the Muslims wiped them out. They almost did the same in Europe.

You clearly do not know much about history....the places you mentioned were never the cradel of chirisianity... Muslims/Arabs lived in these places before Christainity existed even the pope does not agree with you on this one. and can you please give me the exact names of battles / wars/ occupation that muslims inflected for 300 years.....

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Unfortunately this man represents the church and he knows what and why he says what he say. He is not just a man. And I totally I agree that not all Catholics or Christians believe in what he says, the pressure is not on the western world or Christians is on their leaders who are desperately trying to poison the bridges between cultures and religion. The pope ignored history and acted as if he is innocent and people took his speech out of context.

He ignored the 500 years of crusade in the middle east when his church and by the name of God killed hundreds of thousands if not millions of Muslims and eastern christens and stole their land and wealth for over hundred years. the pope ignored when in the last century the over hundred years when the west occupied the Arab/ Muslim land and killed hundred of thousands, I never heard an apology or a comment for that.

He also ignored the Holocaust which happened in Europe and in his own country killing innocent people and again in the name of God and because they are different. Any by the way the Jew sought refuge with many Muslim Khalif's (leaders) when they ran away from the discrimination and the killing that was waged against them in Europe- go the National Museum of History in NY and read the testaments from many of the Jewish rabaies.

He claims that Islam forces itself by war, please let him or anyone else go back to history and count the number of wars between Muslims and others and tell me where it happened; in Europe or in the East? And who moved armies to fight whom.

The pope ignored the many years of killing his church initiated against the Eastern Church killing many thousands of their leaders unless they submit to the pope in Rome.

And if Muslims are so cruel and forceful, how come we still have many Christians living among us in the Arab World with their own churches and getting the full support from Muslim /Arab government. As a matter of fact we have an entire country (Lebanon) who by the constitution must have a Christian president.

And No we do not want the western world to be sensitive to our needs or around us or stop your celebrations. Your religion and celebrations do not offend us as matter of fact we Muslims believe equally in Muses, Jesus and Mohammed; they are all brothers and messenger of God. What offended us is what some the western leaders and recently church leaders lie about our religion and prophet. And what offend us more is when they play innocent and ignorant.

I urge you to read more and do your own research

The Crusades were a response to 300 years of Muslim invasions and oppression. The Near East, Middle East and North Africa, the cradle of Christianity, used to be Christian civilizations, till the Muslims wiped them out. They almost did the same in Europe.

You clearly do not know much about history....the places you mentioned were never the cradel of chirisianity... Muslims/Arabs lived in these places before Christainity existed even the pope does not agree with you on this one. and can you please give me the exact names of battles / wars/ occupation that muslims inflected for 300 years.....

Yes in those areas there were Christian settlements prior. And Christianity started in Israel and was spread by word of mouth and by preachers to surrounding Arab areas and further out. At that time there were no Muslims, and many Arabs believed in pagan religions. The New Testament has many books named after cities in that region that all had a early growth of Christianity. Islam as a named religion did not even exist until hundreds of years after Christianity was started. I'm not going to say every inch of that area was Christian, but there was no Islam back then either. I am not expert on the crusades, but I just wanted to point out a few things.

http://studylight.org/se/maps/