Job Creation and Immigration

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Do corporations have an endless supply of "good" workers willing to replace anyone they cut? I seriously doubt that. However, if you feel that a coorporation would slash salaries and benefits when given an incentive to do the opposite then that means the incentive isn't great enough and needs to be increased.

One of the things (there are many things) that got the US into this mess is Wall Street. We went through the dot com era in the 90's where companies were exploding with growth and company's stock prices were shooting up at unprecedented levels for no reason. Somewhere along the line the dot com era ended and analysts started actually looking at PE ratios etc. Because of this, corporations had to cut the fat. They learned to produce the same with 20,30, or 40% less workforce. I remember entering the workforce in the early 90's... my first job, excited about a 401k with great health care benefits, etc. Fast forward to the early 2000's... everyone on pins and needles that they are going to be the next casualty cut from the payroll. Companies were laying people off daily for years in order to become lean to appease wall street. Companies had to do everything possible to increase the bottom line for their shareholders at the expense of the American workforce.

Fastforward to today. I'm really not as concerned with the 9% unemployment rate as I am with the extinction of a middle class. In my opinion, the government needs to do something significant to raise the middle 70%. I.e. I'm not concerned with the top 20% and I'm not concerned with the bottom 10%. I'm concerned with the 70% in the middle. The government needs to do something to keep the middle 70% employed, with good salaries so people will be able to spend and save. If they don't come up with a solution and no one spends and no salaries are increased, no one will buy homes and the entire system will fall apart. IMO the entire system has fallen apart as there are just way too many folks sucking on the government's #######. There must be a solution to stop this and to improve the life of the middle 70%.

So to answer that question of "Are there a good supply of workers willing to replace anyone cut?" I'm not so sure of that, but I am sure that salaries need to be bumped up and people need more money in their pockets to spend. Handouts from the govt didn't work. Why not see if corporations could get us on the road to recovery with some real bottom line incentives from the US govt helping the corporations boost salaries, etc.

I agree with some of that post, but I don't see how the corporations are going to get us on the road to recovery by exploiting the worker visa laws while circumventing the US labor laws of this country.

Again there has been many qualified college grads here in the US to fill tech industry jobs here yet those peeps are cut out of a job seeing how the tech industry's can and do hire cheap foreign labor and then proceed to exploit said foreign labor.

Plenty of jobs here in Alaska during the summer months that used to be filled by kids going to college. Tourist jobs, cannery jobs, etc...good hard working kids. Those peeps made min, wage and were paid over time. When the worker visa laws came into effect ten years back or so, those American workers were cut out of that job market and replaced with foreign workers that don't get paid min. wage and over time.

The entire bs spiel about not enough skilled and/or qualified American workers to choose from is nothing more than a propaganda campaign by the corporations...it's a smoke screen to fatten their wallets at our expense.

Edited August 11, 2011 by Why_Me

[scandal 951]

Really, they don't consume much. They wire most of their earnings back to Mexico and use the rest to buy Corona (imported from Mexico).

That's not true. Immigrants consume housing, food, utilities, transportation, healthcare, education and more. And that consumption pumps dollars into local economies, and employs a chain of other workers.

In fact - one of the criticisms often heard is precisely THAT immigrants consume: they consume classroom-space, emergency room space, subsidized housing, etc. There is some truth to these criticisms, namely that the budgets and planning of local governments are often overwhelmed when consumption of the services they provide is overtaken by unforeseen numbers of immigrants. So,consumption is not always a benefit. Depending on what is being consumed when and where, it can pose problems. But to dismiss the effect of immigrant consumption is to deny a real economic impact of immigration, one at least as large as their impact on the labor force if not larger.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That's not true. Immigrants consume housing, food, utilities, transportation, healthcare, education and more. And that consumption pumps dollars into local economies, and employs a chain of other workers.

In fact - one of the criticisms often heard is precisely THAT immigrants consume: they consume classroom-space, emergency room space, subsidized housing, etc. There is some truth to these criticisms, namely that the budgets and planning of local governments are often overwhelmed when consumption of the services they provide is overtaken by unforeseen numbers of immigrants. So,consumption is not always a benefit. Depending on what is being consumed when and where, it can pose problems. But to dismiss the effect of immigrant consumption is to deny a real economic impact of immigration, one at least as large as their impact on the labor force if not larger.

I'm sure Americans would consume more if they weren't screwed out of jobs by cheap immigrant labor. Believe it or not, there was a time in this country when you didn't have to worry about a corporation using a anti American workers visa and bringing in cheap immigrant labor to replace Americans with jobs in America.

I'm not sure if your aware of it, but the unemployment numbers in this country are sky high atm. That and wages have went down, while corporate big wigs have had their wages go up.

So the story about bringing in more immigrants to replace Americans in the United States work force is going to somehow help Americans is difficult to swallow.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

I'm sure Americans would consume more if they weren't screwed out of jobs by cheap immigrant labor. Believe it or not, there was a time in this country when you didn't have to worry about a corporation using a anti American workers visa and bringing in cheap immigrant labor to replace Americans with jobs in America.

I'm not sure if your aware of it, but the unemployment numbers in this country are sky high atm. That and wages have went down, while corporate big wigs have had their wages go up.

So the story about bringing in more immigrants to replace Americans in the United States work force is going to somehow help Americans is difficult to swallow.

That's right. Corporations didn't have to file for visas for their immigrants. Because the borders were open and they poured in off the boats. Business didn't have to bother with visas because the immigrants were already here.

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

Capitalism is just like any other human endevour. Rules or lack of rules determine how it plays out. Blaming capitalism for bad public policies set by the government is putting the blame in the wrong place. The root cause is in the failure of government to set policy that is in the best interests of the citizenry. The corporations will get away with what they can if they are allowed to. Just like some people do.

peejay, you have to decide which is the chicken and which is the egg. Big Corporations or Politicians.

As long as they collude with one another through the electoral process, you are going to get policy that benefits corporate America.

It seems to me your contention applies to far more than immigration policy.

[웃 910]

All the illegals got fired from the restaurant down the street from me. The kitchen manager (been with the company for years) included. He got promoted a few years ago from their restaurant in Ohio to Michigan.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

That's right. Corporations didn't have to file for visas for their immigrants. Because the borders were open and they poured in off the boats. Business didn't have to bother with visas because the immigrants were already here.

Really? I'm guessing then that you were born before 1921.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Quota_Act

Emergency Immigration Act of 1921

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

Immigration Act of 1924

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

Mexican Repatriation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Wetback

Operation Wetback

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_Nationality_Act_of_1965

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_laws_concerning_immigration_and_naturalization_in_the_United_States#1990s

U.S. Commission on Immigration Reform

Edited August 12, 2011 by Why_Me

[Rebecca Jo 1,962]

You need to read before you click.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

The Act controlled "undesirable" immigration by establishing quotas. The Act barred specific origins from the Asia-Pacific Triangle, which included Japan, China, the Philippines (then under U.S. control), Siam (Thailand), French Indochina (Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia), Singapore (then a British colony), Korea, Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), Burma (Myanmar), India, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and Malaya (mainland part of Malaysia).[11] Based on the Naturalization Act of 1790, these immigrants, being non-white, were not eligible for naturalization, and the Act forbade further immigration of any persons ineligible to be naturalized.[11] The Act set no limits on immigration from the Latin American countries.[citation needed]

In the 10 years following 1900, about 200,000 Italians immigrated annually. With the imposition of the 1924 quota, 4,000 per year were allowed. By contrast, the annual quota for Germany after the passage of the Act was over 57,000. Some 86% of the 155,000 permitted to enter under the Act were from Northern European countries, with Germany, Britain, and Ireland having the highest quotas. So restrictive were the new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, that in 1924 more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Portuguese, Rumanians, Spaniards, Chinese, and Japanese left the U.S. than arrived as immigrants.[12]

The quotas remained in place with minor alterations until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You need to read before you click.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_Act_of_1924

The Act controlled "undesirable" immigration by establishing quotas. The Act barred specific origins from the Asia-Pacific Triangle, which included Japan, China, the Philippines (then under U.S. control), Siam (Thailand), French Indochina (Laos, Vietnam, and Cambodia), Singapore (then a British colony), Korea, Dutch East Indies (Indonesia), Burma (Myanmar), India, Ceylon (Sri Lanka) and Malaya (mainland part of Malaysia).[11] Based on the Naturalization Act of 1790, these immigrants, being non-white, were not eligible for naturalization, and the Act forbade further immigration of any persons ineligible to be naturalized.[11] The Act set no limits on immigration from the Latin American countries.[citation needed]

In the 10 years following 1900, about 200,000 Italians immigrated annually. With the imposition of the 1924 quota, 4,000 per year were allowed. By contrast, the annual quota for Germany after the passage of the Act was over 57,000. Some 86% of the 155,000 permitted to enter under the Act were from Northern European countries, with Germany, Britain, and Ireland having the highest quotas. So restrictive were the new quotas for immigration from Southern and Eastern Europe, that in 1924 more Italians, Czechs, Yugoslavs, Greeks, Lithuanians, Hungarians, Poles, Portuguese, Rumanians, Spaniards, Chinese, and Japanese left the U.S. than arrived as immigrants.[12]

The quotas remained in place with minor alterations until the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

I was born in 1964. The fact is, there is no good reason to totally fck over American workers in order to let in more immigrants with these bogus worker visa's.

[scandal 951]

All the illegals got fired from the restaurant down the street from me. The kitchen manager (been with the company for years) included. He got promoted a few years ago from their restaurant in Ohio to Michigan.

Moving from Ohio to Michigan qualifies as a promotion these days?

[Karee 4,191]

Moving from Ohio to Michigan qualifies as a promotion these days?

Hey i take offense to that being from Michigan I'd say it's a wash either way. Don't forget Ohio has Cleveland.

Hey i take offense to that being from Michigan I'd say it's a wash either way. Don't forget Ohio has Cleveland.

ETA Ohio has Slim.

[mawilson 2,133]

That's not true. Immigrants consume housing, food, utilities, transportation, healthcare, education and more. And that consumption pumps dollars into local economies, and employs a chain of other workers.

In fact - one of the criticisms often heard is precisely THAT immigrants consume: they consume classroom-space, emergency room space, subsidized housing, etc.

Their children - who are often US citizens - consume classroom space. The difference is,

when YOUR children consume classroom space, you pay for it with your tax dollars.

Illegals do not.

[웃 910]

Their children - who are often US citizens - consume classroom space. The difference is,

when YOUR children consume classroom space, you pay for it with your tax dollars.

Illegals do not.

Every single illegal I knew of (at least 15-25) all worked and were paid by check. A lot of times the staff there do not even know that they are illegals because they have fake documentation.

Of course when the entire kitchen staff only can speak Spanish and look Mexican then it is a giveaway.

So taxes are coming out of their checks in many cases. Which made me wonder if they were able to claim the multi-thousand dollar tax refund each year?

As far as landscaping many are legal white/black people that probably do everything under the table and therefore are doing all this consuming without paying taxes.

In my neck of the woods most the landscaping workers are white....Most of the backyard mechanics (+95% from my years of dealing with them) have been white.

Contractors on craigslist - white.

Carpet people - white.

Guy that installs the garage door opener - white

Plumber - white

Painters - white

Electricians - white

Most of them don't pay taxes..

Edited August 12, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[rika60607 215]

Schools are funded through combination of property taxes, sales taxes and federal taxes, yes?

Those children of illegals live somewhere with their parents who either bought houses or pay rent, yes?

50% of Americans do not pay federal tax, yes?

So what tax dollars are illegals not paying that US citizens do?

Their children - who are often US citizens - consume classroom space. The difference is,

when YOUR children consume classroom space, you pay for it with your tax dollars.

Illegals do not.

[mawilson 2,133]

Schools are funded through combination of property taxes, sales taxes and federal taxes, yes?

Yes.

Those children of illegals live somewhere with their parents who either bought houses or pay rent, yes?

Yes.

50% of Americans do not pay federal tax, yes?

No. 50 percent of Americans do not pay federal income taxes. They pay Social Security, Medicare and other federal taxes.

So what tax dollars are illegals not paying that US citizens do?

What you're asking is what taxes are illegals not paying that the bottom 50 percent of US citizens are.

Social Security and Medicare, for one - as explained above. Furthermore, you often find 10-20 illegals living in the same house to save money, so 9-19 property taxes per property-tax-paying illegal.