U.S.is exporting crime and terror to Canada

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

For instance,

Vermont: People below the poverty line: 11.5% US Census 2009

Chicago: People below the poverty line: 21.6% US Census 2009

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And why do they exist in Chicago and not Burlington?

We get why there is crime in Chicago, what I don't get is why is there is NOT crime here. Answers?

It's obvious to me.

Does Burlington have slums, ghettos, projects, hoods, crack spots, heroin spots, prostitution, drug infested neighborhoods, and gang infested neighborhoods?

If you really want to know then travel to the most run down part of Burlington, and take a walk, talk to the people, hang out for a day.

Then go to the worst part of Chicago, hop out, and do the same...You'll get your answer (if you make it out alive!!!)

Edited August 7, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

It's obvious to me.

Does Burlington have slums, ghettos, projects, hoods, crack spots, heroin spots, prostitution, drug infested neighborhoods, and gang infested neighborhoods?

If you really want to know then travel to the most run down part of Burlington, and take a walk, talk to the people, hang out for a day.

Then go to the worst part of Chicago, hop out, and do the same...You'll get your answer (if you make it out alive!!!)

South Chicago and Gary, Indiana...two places to avoid.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

It's obvious to me.

Does Burlington have slums, ghettos, projects, hoods, crack spots, heroin spots, prostitution, drug infested neighborhoods, and gang infested neighborhoods?

If you really want to know then travel to the most run down part of Burlington, and take a walk, talk to the people, hang out for a day.

Then go to the worst part of Chicago, hop out, and do the same...You'll get your answer (if you make it out alive!!!)

No. Burlington really has none of those things. The old north end is about the worst neighborhood but it is just old homes, a working class neighborhood. Perfectly safe. I would not even think twice about going to the park and asking for change for a $100 bill.

But that is because we have guns. Good people in Chicago do not.

Since homicide has been reduced in every jurisdiction that has implemented concealed carry, why would it be different in Chicago? As Scandal said, this is about ways to reduce the homicide in Chicago. ALLOW good people to carry guns! Would Chicago be happy with 22 homicides instead of 376? That is what it would be with Vermont's rate of homicide.

What if they could have a much lower rate, even if it weren't as low as Vermont? Why would they refuse to try it?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

For instance,

Vermont: People below the poverty line: 11.5% US Census 2009

Chicago: People below the poverty line: 21.6% US Census 2009

So, poverty causes crime? Poor people are criminals? Criminals are poor?

Chicago has been run by Democrats for as long as anyone can remember. Why is the poverty rate so high in a city run by Democrats? Obama is from Chicago.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

No. Burlington really has none of those things. The old north end is about the worst neighborhood but it is just old homes, a working class neighborhood. Perfectly safe. I would not even think twice about going to the park and asking for change for a $100 bill.

But that is because we have guns. Good people in Chicago do not.

Since homicide has been reduced in every jurisdiction that has implemented concealed carry, why would it be different in Chicago? As Scandal said, this is about ways to reduce the homicide in Chicago. ALLOW good people to carry guns! Would Chicago be happy with 22 homicides instead of 376? That is what it would be with Vermont's rate of homicide.

What if they could have a much lower rate, even if it weren't as low as Vermont? Why would they refuse to try it?

What about all the gang bangers coming over from New Hampshire? The ones with the rolled up sleeves on their cardigans.

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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

What about all the gang bangers coming over from New Hampshire? The ones with the rolled up sleeves on their cardigans.

Those guys from Dartmouth are scary! I don't want to talk about it. we need a border fence!

Edited August 7, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

So, poverty causes crime? Poor people are criminals? Criminals are poor?

Chicago has been run by Democrats for as long as anyone can remember. Why is the poverty rate so high in a city run by Democrats? Obama is from Chicago.

Generally speaking all large cities have poverty and they have crime. What's interesting is that Vermont has no large cities and very little poverty.

One might draw the conclusion that crime might be attributed to rural vs urban.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Sousuke

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No. Burlington really has none of those things. The old north end is about the worst neighborhood but it is just old homes, a working class neighborhood. Perfectly safe. I would not even think twice about going to the park and asking for change for a $100 bill.

But that is because we have guns. Good people in Chicago do not.

Since homicide has been reduced in every jurisdiction that has implemented concealed carry, why would it be different in Chicago? As Scandal said, this is about ways to reduce the homicide in Chicago. ALLOW good people to carry guns! Would Chicago be happy with 22 homicides instead of 376? That is what it would be with Vermont's rate of homicide.

What if they could have a much lower rate, even if it weren't as low as Vermont? Why would they refuse to try it?

Gary, I don't have the stats but we live in two different worlds....I am pretty sure 90% (I'd actually say more like 99%) of the people I pass in the supermarket, mall, shops, gas station, bank, etc., are not armed.

I'd imagine most "good people" do not want to carry a gun around 24/7. I don't own a gun.

So hypothetically speaking even if you allowed everyone a license to carry a gun most people would still not carry a gun.

Anyways, it has little to nothing to do with guns....It is the lifestyle. In areas where you have gang bangers and crack dealers you have high crime. That is why they are dangerous areas. Drug infested, poverty stricken, high crime, low income, etc.

BURLINGTON, VT

Detroit:

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Rednecks driving pick ups (rural) > Soccer moms driving min vans / SUV's (suburban) > Urbanites (inner city)

Edited August 7, 2011 by Why_Me

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Generally speaking all large cities have poverty and they have crime. What's interesting is that Vermont has no large cities and very little poverty.

One might draw the conclusion that crime might be attributed to rural vs urban.

Except Vermont has a much higher population density than many states and even Canadian provinces, but a lower crime rate than any of them. Someone else can provide a chart but I am going to guess that the worst poverty in this country is in rural areas.

But then you are saying cities cause crime? Burlington has such low crime because it is a small city? But isn't that addressed by the crime RATE? Vermont has a much lower rate of crime than Chicago. If Vermont HAD 3 million people, we would have 22 homicides a year. So what's the difference?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Gary, I don't have the stats but we live in two different worlds....I am pretty sure 90% (I'd actually say more like 99%) of the people I pass in the supermarket, mall, shops, gas station, bank, etc., are not armed.

I'd imagine most "good people" do not want to carry a gun around 24/7. I don't own a gun.

So hypothetically speaking even if you allowed everyone a license to carry a gun most people would still not carry a gun.

Anyways, it has little to nothing to do with guns....It is the lifestyle. In areas where you have gang bangers and crack dealers you have high crime. That is why they are dangerous areas. Drug infested, poverty stricken, high crime, low income, etc.

BURLINGTON, VT

Detroit:

That is what an armed society looks like. Judging from the shadows it is mid afternoon. In the evening it is MUCH more crowded, most of the sidewalk cafes are behind the photographer

That's Church St in Burlington, looking north from College Ave. Turn left, walk 5 blocks and you are at the lakefront. Open air concerts several nights per week. We love to walk down there, 2-3 nights a week in summer. Great places to eat. ANY of those people in the photo COULD be carrying a loaded handgun. I do not know if they are and I do not know what percent of them are. I am guessing more than 1% You can walk there any time day or night and be perfectly safe, talk to anyone you want. No one will bother you.

An armed society is a peaceful society.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Except Vermont has a much higher population density than many states and even Canadian provinces, but a lower crime rate than any of them. Someone else can provide a chart but I am going to guess that the worst poverty in this country is in rural areas.

But then you are saying cities cause crime? Burlington has such low crime because it is a small city? But isn't that addressed by the crime RATE? Vermont has a much lower rate of crime than Chicago. If Vermont HAD 3 million people, we would have 22 homicides a year. So what's the difference?

Large cities can end up having entire districts with poverty and high crime. Smaller towns don't seem to have that problem. But lets compare two cities.

I have lived in a few smaller cities nearer the size of Burlington so lets compare for fun!

I lived in Napa California. California, not exactly a gun lovers paradise. In fact they are very restrictive.

So lets compare:

Napa, CABurlington, VT National

Murder: 1.3 2.6 7

Forcible Rape: 27.83 59.61 32.2

Robbery: 92.8 41.5 205.8

Aggravated Assault: 323.4 298.1 336.5

Burglary: 531.4 673.9 813.2

Larceny Theft: 2071.4 3265.6 2601.7

Vehicle Theft: 265.1 114 501.5

So other than the fact that your more likely to get your car stolen or robbed on the street, Napa comes ahead of Burlington. Both are clearly safer than the US average.

Lets compare a more moderate town.

Eureka, MO Burlington, VT

Population: 9,022 38,584

Murder: 0 1

Forcible Rape: 0 23

Robbery: 0 16

Aggravated Assault: 10 115

Burglary: 19 260

Larceny Theft: 196 1260

Vehicle Theft: 7 44

Now Missouri gun laws are probably about average for the nation, but clearly not up to vermont...

so why is Eureka so much safer than Burlington?

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

By the way, I just notice i posted the actual crimes for eureka and burlington

here are the rates (per 100,000 - same for the napa/burlington rates):

Eureka, MO Burlington, VT National

Murder: 0 2.6 7

Forcible Rape: 0 59.61 32.2

Robbery: 0 41.5 205.8

Aggravated Assault: 110.8 298.1 336.5

Burglary: 210.6 673.9 813.2

Larceny Theft: 2172.5 3265.6 2601.7

Vehicle Theft: 77.6 114 501.5

Eureka is still safer btw.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Sousuke