Our Biggest Security Threat Is Global Warming-Induced Extreme Weather

[Zero Sum 305]

no, i didn't say they were related. it was used as history lesson

Without actually going into the players involved, the facts stated, and the relationship between the public's preconceptions of race and how scientists were involved. Your history lesson might come back and bit you in the ####### if you actually tried to get into its details.

[Zero Sum 305]

You never did but should know better with the lack of intelligence displayed by some to go back and forth.

Is that like using an argument as proof of your own position, and when presented with the actual arguments in your proof as evidence that your position isn't credible, you deny that's the actual argument of your proof?

Because...

[Ban Hammer 13,692]

Without actually going into the players involved, the facts stated, and the relationship between the public's preconceptions of race and how scientists were involved. Your history lesson might come back and bit you in the ####### if you actually tried to get into its details.

the only arses bitten belong to the fruits and nuts that advanced that now debunked theory.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Without actually going into the players involved, the facts stated, and the relationship between the public's preconceptions of race and how scientists were involved. Your history lesson might come back and bit you in the ####### if you actually tried to get into its details.

Global warming is a racial issue?

[Zero Sum 305]

the only arses bitten belong to the fruits and nuts that advanced that now debunked theory.

Eugenics? ... yeah I agree. Talking of parallels though I am not surprised to notice some people that wholeheartedly believe in it and the social version seem to be climate change denialists as well. Its odd.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The Global Warming denialists belong in one or more of these categories:

1. The earth's temperature is not getting warmer.

2. The earth's temperature is getting warmer but it's not being accelerated or influenced by fossil fuel emissions.

3. The earth's temperature is getting warmer and fossil fuel emissions is a contributing factor but it is impossible for us to know how much of an impact.

4. The earth is flat, man never walked on the moon, and Elvis was behind 911.

Why their arguments can't hold up to logic:

1. Fact - climate scientists from around the world have unequivocally stated that the earth's temperature is rapidly increasing based on enormous amounts of data. There is no argument there, except that some denialists even deny this or they believe the scientists are all trying to pull the wool over our eyes (conspiracy theorists).

2. Fact - Global Warming is a scientific theory - that is...

As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.

A fact is something that is supported by unmistakeable evidence. For example, the Grand Canyon cuts through layers of different kinds of rock, such as the Coconino sandstone, Hermit shale, and Redwall limestone. These rock layers often contain fossils that are found only in certain layers. Those are the facts.

It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.

Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.

Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.

Now, while it may be theoretically true that a theory can be proven wrong, Global Warming is unique in that it has many layers to it. The base layer is the theory that greenhouse gases trap eat, thereby warming the planet. You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who disputes that part of the theory. The next layer to Global Warming is that CO2 is a heat trapping gas - another layer that no one is disputing. The third layer is that fossil fuel emissions are spewing millions of tons of heat trapping gas into the atmosphere - another hard one to dispute as we can easily measure the amount of these gases coming from the tailpipe of car, for example.

The final layer to Global Warming is the length of time CO2 remains in the atmosphere and that is where there remains the most amount of scientific uncertainty.

We can predict how much fossil fuel emissions will enter into the atmosphere and we can predict how CO2 will affect the earth's temperature. What is more difficult to predict is how long CO2 from fossil fuel emissions will remain up in our atmosphere even if we were to stop burning all fossil fuels today. In the meantime, the earth's temperature continues to increase at a rapid incline and there is a very real possibility that life as we know it will cease to exist if we continue at this pace within the next 100 years. While Climate Change does happen naturally, it happens over tens of thousands or sometimes hundreds of thousands of years, giving the earth's living species a fighting chance to adapt in order to survive.

So the denialists can continue to bury their heads in the sand, pretending that they know how the science works and that they are right while the climate scientists are wrong, but their denialism is becoming more and more irrelevant and absurd. The world is preparing and trying to adapt to the rapid change in climate. It's a question of whether or not we can slow it down to a more manageable pace.

Edited August 5, 2011 by DFH

[Zero Sum 305]

Gosh Steven that's just too much to read. You might confuse some readers.

[luckytxn 2,265]

the only arses bitten belong to the fruits and nuts that advanced that now debunked theory.

Exactly. It is like last week when I posted showing that every major study that showed supposed GW was happening was shown to be false and even faked or data omitted. One study that came from computer models that every GW theorist wet themselves over was shown to be flawed as when they actually did the measurements showed the the model to have been wrong. They still persist in believing in this discredited theory. I personally think they are pretty friggin stupid but maybe they have money invested and have to push this obvious scam.

[Zero Sum 305]

Exactly. It is like last week when I posted showing that every major study that showed supposed GW was happening was shown to be false and even faked or data omitted. One study that came from computer models that every GW theorist wet themselves over was shown to be flawed as when they actually did the measurements showed the the model to have been wrong. They still persist in believing in this discredited theory. I personally think they are pretty friggin stupid but maybe they have money invested and have to push this obvious scam.

Oh dear. Didn't you also have your own articles shoved right back to you last week? I mean you can't deny your own 'evidence' once it is shown to not support what you claim it shows.

That would be fact #1, Steven.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Exactly. It is like last week when I posted showing that every major study that showed supposed GW was happening was shown to be false and even faked or data omitted. One study that came from computer models that every GW theorist wet themselves over was shown to be flawed as when they actually did the measurements showed the the model to have been wrong. They still persist in believing in this discredited theory. I personally think they are pretty friggin stupid but maybe they have money invested and have to push this obvious scam.

What's your theory or explanation of how the earth's surface temperature is what it is?

Do you believe that gases trap heat?

Do you believe that CO2 is a heat trapping gas?

Do you believe that Climate Change has happened before on this planet?

Do you believe in the theory of Evolution?

Do you believe the earth is flat?

I'm just trying to figure out what category of denialism you fit into and how your certainty fits into the concept of skepticism?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Oh dear. Didn't you also have your own articles shoved right back to you last week? I mean you can't deny your own 'evidence' once it is shown to not support what you claim it shows.

That would be fact #1, Steven.

Denying that gases warm the earth's surface is like denying that gravity exists. It's just bizarre, especially from a guy who claims he use to be a chemist. Rolling your own cigarettes doesn't equate to being a chemist.

Edited August 5, 2011 by DFH

[luckytxn 2,265]

Oh dear. Didn't you also have your own articles shoved right back to you last week? I mean you can't deny your own 'evidence' once it is shown to not support what you claim it shows.

That would be fact #1, Steven.

No, at all the studies were shown to be wrong or false or faked. Never saw any evidence that showed they were proven right. You refused to believed they were and that is your right.

This is in every major study and some minor ones were shown to be wrong, faked, or even outright fraud committed. Not one study has held up to the tests. And to be clear, every study has to not just be published but must be able to be reproduced faithfully to show the study has merit. They have never held up though. Even the agencies I showed then showed they were frauds.

What's your theory or explanation of how the earth's surface temperature is what it is?

Do you believe that gases trap heat?

Do you believe that CO2 is a heat trapping gas?

Do you believe that Climate Change has happened before on this planet?

Do you believe in the theory of Evolution?

Do you believe the earth is flat?

I'm just trying to figure out what category of denialism you fit into and how your certainty fits into the concept of skepticism?

Yes

Yes

Yes

Yes

No

[Zero Sum 305]

No, at all the studies were shown to be wrong or false or faked. Never saw any evidence that showed they were proven right. You refused to believed they were and that is your right.

This is in every major study and some minor ones were shown to be wrong, faked, or even outright fraud committed. Not one study has held up to the tests. And to be clear, every study has to not just be published but must be able to be reproduced faithfully to show the study has merit. They have never held up though. Even the agencies I showed then showed they were frauds.

All the studies hmm?

I think you obviously have a lot of reading to do.

Definitely fact #1, Steven.

On top of the reading... you should try understanding it too. That might help you out a bit. Might save you some embarrassment.

[Ste 6]

the only arses bitten belong to the fruits and nuts that advanced that now debunked theory.

Sticks and stone may break my bones, but names will be used by denialists.

[luckytxn 2,265]

What's your theory or explanation of how the earth's surface temperature is what it is?

Do you believe that gases trap heat?

Do you believe that CO2 is a heat trapping gas?

Do you believe that Climate Change has happened before on this planet?

Do you believe in the theory of Evolution?

Do you believe the earth is flat?

I'm just trying to figure out what category of denialism you fit into and how your certainty fits into the concept of skepticism?

OK now turn. This is to show me if you are just stupid or have some investments that could go south and cause you ruin.

Is CO2 the only heat trapping gas?

Which heat trapping gas is the largest?

Has the earth always in history undergone naturally ice ages and back?

Is Eugenics still practiced and believed in by some Scientists?

Did Scientists insist for a long time the earth was flat?