The Laws of Islam

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The scholars I trust and paste here do follow the Quran and Sunnah to make rulings and they provide the proof for such.

See, you want to have it both ways while expecting others to not do what you do to satisfy you. Grow up, the scholars you trust are doing exactly what you object to - INTERPRETING THE QURAN AND SUNNAH, just as the scholars in the Muslim country where you didn't get married have the right to do fr couples who want to marry.

The Quran is the ultimate source in law for the salafi scholars.... if the Quran does not directly address something then they look to the prophetic traditions for the answer.

This is true for all Sunnis, not just Salafis, but there is a split among Salafis where some accept the schools of thought and other sources of law as well. Besides, there is no way one can use only the Quran and Sunnah as their source of law; they must be interpertated and there must be a methodolgy for that if there is going to be any consistancy.

Even scholars are not perfect... after all they are human BUT they have a lot more knowledge than us and we should refer questions like this to them. When we find them disagreeing amongst each other, we can only evaluate each set of proofs and choose one to follow.

Then, why reject the rulings of scholars who recomend registering your marriage to protect your rights? Some protection is better than no preotection at all, and protection is required by the Quran and Sunnah.

Like I said before, I leave the teaching to the scholars. No one on this board qualifies as a scholar so there really should be no 'classes' here. As long as classes continue I will continue to paste links to the scholars here for those who wish to know what they have to say about it.

I have a Masters in Islamic studies and an Ph.D in Legal Methodologies and History. I taught Islam for 13 years. I'm probably the closest thing to a scholar of Islam on this board. You can cut and paste all the scholars you wish, but until you know enough to know if they are making any sense at all, you are contributing their knowledge, not your own. You are about taqlid, I am not, but then, I don''t have to be.

However, as I've stated before, it is not in violation of US law to live as a married couple without a marriage license.

Give it up, girl! You're a Muslim, why keep going on about living together without being married in the US? What has this got to do with anything we are discussing?

Gupt, you are rad, man!

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The scholars I trust and paste here do follow the Quran and Sunnah to make rulings and they provide the proof for such.

See, you want to have it both ways while expecting others to not do what you do to satisfy you. Grow up, the scholars you trust are doing exactly what you object to - INTERPRETING THE QURAN AND SUNNAH, just as the scholars in the Muslim country where you didn't get married have the right to do fr couples who want to marry.

The Quran is the ultimate source in law for the salafi scholars.... if the Quran does not directly address something then they look to the prophetic traditions for the answer.

This is true for all Sunnis, not just Salafis, but there is a split among Salafis where some accept the schools of thought and other sources of law as well. Besides, there is no way one can use only the Quran and Sunnah as their source of law; they must be interpertated and there must be a methodolgy for that if there is going to be any consistancy.

Even scholars are not perfect... after all they are human BUT they have a lot more knowledge than us and we should refer questions like this to them. When we find them disagreeing amongst each other, we can only evaluate each set of proofs and choose one to follow.

Then, why reject the rulings of scholars who recomend registering your marriage to protect your rights? Some protection is better than no preotection at all, and protection is required by the Quran and Sunnah.

Like I said before, I leave the teaching to the scholars. No one on this board qualifies as a scholar so there really should be no 'classes' here. As long as classes continue I will continue to paste links to the scholars here for those who wish to know what they have to say about it.

I have a Masters in Islamic studies and an Ph.D in Legal Methodologies and History. I taught Islam for 13 years. I'm probably the closest thing to a scholar of Islam on this board. You can cut and paste all the scholars you wish, but until you know enough to know if they are making any sense at all, you are contributing their knowledge, not your own. You are about taqlid, I am not, but then, I don''t have to be.

However, as I've stated before, it is not in violation of US law to live as a married couple without a marriage license.

Give it up, girl! You're a Muslim, why keep going on about living together without being married in the US? What has this got to do with anything we are discussing?

Gupt, you are rad, man!

Ignore-evasion repost.

[Veiled Princess 1]

The scholars I trust and paste here do follow the Quran and Sunnah to make rulings and they provide the proof for such.

See, you want to have it both ways while expecting others to not do what you do to satisfy you. Grow up, the scholars you trust are doing exactly what you object to - INTERPRETING THE QURAN AND SUNNAH, just as the scholars in the Muslim country where you didn't get married have the right to do fr couples who want to marry.

The Quran is the ultimate source in law for the salafi scholars.... if the Quran does not directly address something then they look to the prophetic traditions for the answer.

This is true for all Sunnis, not just Salafis, but there is a split among Salafis where some accept the schools of thought and other sources of law as well. Besides, there is no way one can use only the Quran and Sunnah as their source of law; they must be interpertated and there must be a methodolgy for that if there is going to be any consistancy.

Even scholars are not perfect... after all they are human BUT they have a lot more knowledge than us and we should refer questions like this to them. When we find them disagreeing amongst each other, we can only evaluate each set of proofs and choose one to follow.

Then, why reject the rulings of scholars who recomend registering your marriage to protect your rights? Some protection is better than no preotection at all, and protection is required by the Quran and Sunnah.

Like I said before, I leave the teaching to the scholars. No one on this board qualifies as a scholar so there really should be no 'classes' here. As long as classes continue I will continue to paste links to the scholars here for those who wish to know what they have to say about it.

I have a Masters in Islamic studies and an Ph.D in Legal Methodologies and History. I taught Islam for 13 years. I'm probably the closest thing to a scholar of Islam on this board. You can cut and paste all the scholars you wish, but until you know enough to know if they are making any sense at all, you are contributing their knowledge, not your own. You are about taqlid, I am not, but then, I don''t have to be.

However, as I've stated before, it is not in violation of US law to live as a married couple without a marriage license.

Give it up, girl! You're a Muslim, why keep going on about living together without being married in the US? What has this got to do with anything we are discussing?

Gupt, you are rad, man!

Ignore-evasion repost.

Please provide proof that you hold any credentials at all... a degree... a resume....who was your teacher.... what scholar did you study under... anything ?????? what qualifies you to issue fatawa???? you're just an ID on VJ. No scholar would ever make up a fake name and start issuing fatawa over the internet without proving his/her legitimacy.

You have never provided proof for anything that you've stated on this board. Nothing but your own personal opinions on every topic.... and mostly ####### that you've copied off belief net.

You want to call yourself a scholar and call yourself teaching so people will praise you do it. I'm free to post anything I choose here as long as it doesn't violate the TOS as well. I prefer to take knowledge from real scholars and not internet muftis. I will continue to past links to those scholars articles anytime I see it's relevant.

I'm not doing anything haraam inshallah... I'm not breaking any laws... Allah's or others inshallah.... You want to label me as a ####### and commiting zina??? Honey, I'm not the one who called herself "married" to a non-muslim man for many years.... you want to talk about what 'mainstream' Islam doesn't accept as a valid marriage??? Google ANY Islamic website and see the MAJORITY of scholars say that is not a marriage... the woman in it is a fornicatress and any children conceived from it are fatherless!! That's the majority opinion. You don't wanna follow it then it's you not I who have succumb to personal desires lady.

I am a slave of my Creator, nothing more. I seek beneficial knowledge for His pleasure only. Not so some folks on an internet chat board will hold me as their god.

I don't express my opinions regarding rulings in Islam because there is no need to. The scholars do a much better job of it.

I won't type to you... I won't address my posts to you... I won't call your name in my posts.... we don't agree. That's simple. Don't waste your time replying to me. I don't buy your BS.

You have proven in your time here that you look down on converts... you look down on white, American women and the Arab men who choose to marry them.... you talk smack about the sahaba... you demonize the salafi scholars because you claim they claim to have the only path to heaven... this is a lie BTW... while the salafi scholars do agree that salafiyyah is the only correct path they don't believe or teach that non-salafis will go to hell just because they're not salafi... you call the salafis intolerant yet YOU are the one who continously condemns anyone here who does not agree with your opinions. You completely reject the notion that anyone can disagree with you while accusing others of the same.

You call people out in public on what you percieve as sins constantly... you're highly judgemental but intolerant of anyone else judging your own actions.

You came here with no immigration need that anyone has been aware of just to rip on converts and try to brainwash us with your BS and then play the victim when we don't bow down to you.

I got no time for this

[sarah and hicham 3]

Gupt thanks again for taking away my right to ignore.

I didn't take away your right. You just aren't exercising your right properly.

If you do not wish to see szsz's posts at all, it is clearly not sufficient to only ignore her. You must also ignore me and anyone else who might respond to her with her post embedded in theirs.

If that solution doesn't satisfy you, you could always set your house on fire and hope your computer burns down with it.

True enough but you quote her only because you know I ignore her with the goal of bringing it to me.

ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! about you again, layla, huh??

Shhh, you're not supposed to say her name!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Please provide proof that you hold any credentials at all... a degree... a resume....who was your teacher.... what scholar did you study under... anything ?????? what qualifies you to issue fatawa???? you're just an ID on VJ.

And so are you, but you want to make like you are so smart and smug that you can ignore me while seeking to compete with me. It makes no difference if I have credentials, you’re right about that, but I run so many rings around your butt that you have to turn on the ig to post here. Anyone who disagrees with you is "issuing fatwa". If only you knew.

BTW, fatwa is simply a legal opinion that is not bindng on anyone who is not under its jurisdiction, and you’re the only one who says I issued one. You get your panties all in a bunch over something you can easily disregard.

No scholar would ever make up a fake name and start issuing fatawa over the internet without proving his/her legitimacy.

I’m a Ph.D who hasn’t issued a fatwa. I haven’t claimed to be a scholar, but I could be if I concentrated on it. Don’t hate me coz I’m educated. More Muslim women should be.

You have never provided proof for anything that you've stated on this board. Nothing but your own personal opinions on every topic.... and mostly ####### that you've copied off belief net.

I'v ebeen kinda busy with your nonsense. I haven’t copied anything off of Beliefnet, but there’s probably stuff there that I co-wrote. You copy all kinds of stuff without any explanation and all of it is someone else’s opinion that you happen to agree with.

You want to call yourself a scholar and call yourself teaching so people will praise you do it. I'm free to post anything I choose here as long as it doesn't violate the TOS as well. I prefer to take knowledge from real scholars and not internet muftis. I will continue to past links to those scholars articles anytime I see it's relevant.

I haven’t called myself a scholar. And you don’t know if the cut and pastes you are getting off of internet muftis are valid or not. I offered to teach because I can. You can call everything I say opinion, if you like, but it has been your intent from the start to drive this thread your way and determine how I should post coz you don't like the idea that I could offer a class in what you have been able to monopolize for a while.

I'm not doing anything haraam inshallah... I'm not breaking any laws... Allah's or others inshallah.... You want to label me as a ####### and commiting zina??? Honey, I'm not the one who called herself "married" to a non-muslim man for many years.... you want to talk about what 'mainstream' Islam doesn't accept as a valid marriage??? Google ANY Islamic website and see the MAJORITY of scholars say that is not a marriage... the woman in it is a fornicatress and any children conceived from it are fatherless!! That's the majority opinion. You don't wanna follow it then it's you not I who have succumb to personal desires lady.

First of all, if you're not married and you are intimate with a man, then you have committed zina. That is not my opinion. Second, I don’t come here and promote marriage between non-Muslim men and Muslim women, as you do not registering marriage because Allah doesn't require it. Other than saying I have done it, I haven’t discussed it at all.

But I will say this, you INSIST on proof from the Quran and Sunnah, but, no matter what the scholars say, you will not find any prohibition in the Quran of the Sunnah against it. It is the sources of methodology, maslaha, Ijtihad, ‘illa, kafa’ah - manmade law - ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU REJECT, that provide the rational for any prohibition, for they are not in the Quran nor the Sunnah. What you don’t have in your fake “marriage” is in there.

I am a slave of my Creator, nothing more. I seek beneficial knowledge for His pleasure only. Not so some folks on an internet chat board will hold me as their god.

Some of this stuff you’re spouting is so silly as to point to your own vanity and lack of confidence in what you say.

I don't express my opinions regarding rulings in Islam because there is no need to. The scholars do a much better job of it.

Yo do so without questioning it, and that is taqlid - blind following. Not sanctioned by the sharia nor by Salafi philosophy.

I won't type to you... I won't address my posts to you... I won't call your name in my posts.... we don't agree. That's simple. Don't waste your time replying to me. I don't buy your BS.

Fine, you are free to do so, just get off my thread and let those who want to learn learn without your self-centered and childish interference.

You have proven in your time here that you look down on converts... you look down on white, American women and the Arab men who choose to marry them.... you talk smack about the sahaba... you demonize the salafi scholars because you claim they claim to have the only path to heaven... this is a lie BTW... while the salafi scholars do agree that salafiyyah is the only correct path they don't believe or teach that non-salafis will go to hell just because they're not salafi... you call the salafis intolerant yet YOU are the one who continously condemns anyone here who does not agree with your opinions. You completely reject the notion that anyone can disagree with you while accusing others of the same.

This is about you, not about me, Layla, but that is so often the case.

You call people out in public on what you percieve as sins constantly... you're highly judgemental but intolerant of anyone else judging your own actions.

I tolerate you plenty, but I also correct you. So, call me judgemental and see if I care.

You came here with no immigration need that anyone has been aware of just to rip on converts and try to brainwash us with your BS and then play the victim when we don't bow down to you.

When I need help, I will ask for it as I have in the past.

I got no time for this

You just can’t handle the competition and you are not used to being challenged. Get used to it or leave me alone. I do not whine and I will not suck up to you and your selfish needs for attention and sympathy.

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Please provide proof that you hold any credentials at all... a degree... a resume....who was your teacher.... what scholar did you study under... anything ?????? what qualifies you to issue fatawa???? you're just an ID on VJ.

And so are you, but you want to make like you are so smart and smug that you can ignore me while seeking to compete with me. It makes no difference if I have credentials, you’re right about that, but I run so many rings around your butt that you have to turn on the ig to post here. Anyone who disagrees with you is "issuing fatwa". If only you knew.

BTW, fatwa is simply a legal opinion that is not bindng on anyone who is not under its jurisdiction, and you’re the only one who says I issued one. You get your panties all in a bunch over something you can easily disregard.

No scholar would ever make up a fake name and start issuing fatawa over the internet without proving his/her legitimacy.

I’m a Ph.D who hasn’t issued a fatwa. I haven’t claimed to be a scholar, but I could be if I concentrated on it. Don’t hate me coz I’m educated. More Muslim women should be.

You have never provided proof for anything that you've stated on this board. Nothing but your own personal opinions on every topic.... and mostly ####### that you've copied off belief net.

I'v ebeen kinda busy with your nonsense. I haven’t copied anything off of Beliefnet, but there’s probably stuff there that I co-wrote. You copy all kinds of stuff without any explanation and all of it is someone else’s opinion that you happen to agree with.

You want to call yourself a scholar and call yourself teaching so people will praise you do it. I'm free to post anything I choose here as long as it doesn't violate the TOS as well. I prefer to take knowledge from real scholars and not internet muftis. I will continue to past links to those scholars articles anytime I see it's relevant.

I haven’t called myself a scholar. And you don’t know if the cut and pastes you are getting off of internet muftis are valid or not. I offered to teach because I can. You can call everything I say opinion, if you like, but it has been your intent from the start to drive this thread your way and determine how I should post coz you don't like the idea that I could offer a class in what you have been able to monopolize for a while.

I'm not doing anything haraam inshallah... I'm not breaking any laws... Allah's or others inshallah.... You want to label me as a ####### and commiting zina??? Honey, I'm not the one who called herself "married" to a non-muslim man for many years.... you want to talk about what 'mainstream' Islam doesn't accept as a valid marriage??? Google ANY Islamic website and see the MAJORITY of scholars say that is not a marriage... the woman in it is a fornicatress and any children conceived from it are fatherless!! That's the majority opinion. You don't wanna follow it then it's you not I who have succumb to personal desires lady.

First of all, if you're not married and you are intimate with a man, then you have committed zina. That is not my opinion. Second, I don’t come here and promote marriage between non-Muslim men and Muslim women, as you do not registering marriage because Allah doesn't require it. Other than saying I have done it, I haven’t discussed it at all.

But I will say this, you INSIST on proof from the Quran and Sunnah, but, no matter what the scholars say, you will not find any prohibition in the Quran of the Sunnah against it. It is the sources of methodology, maslaha, Ijtihad, ‘illa, kafa’ah - manmade law - ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU REJECT, that provide the rational for any prohibition, for they are not in the Quran nor the Sunnah. What you don’t have in your fake “marriage” is in there.

I am a slave of my Creator, nothing more. I seek beneficial knowledge for His pleasure only. Not so some folks on an internet chat board will hold me as their god.

Some of this stuff you’re spouting is so silly as to point to your own vanity and lack of confidence in what you say.

I don't express my opinions regarding rulings in Islam because there is no need to. The scholars do a much better job of it.

Yo do so without questioning it, and that is taqlid - blind following. Not sanctioned by the sharia nor by Salafi philosophy.

I won't type to you... I won't address my posts to you... I won't call your name in my posts.... we don't agree. That's simple. Don't waste your time replying to me. I don't buy your BS.

Fine, you are free to do so, just get off my thread and let those who want to learn learn without your self-centered and childish interference.

You have proven in your time here that you look down on converts... you look down on white, American women and the Arab men who choose to marry them.... you talk smack about the sahaba... you demonize the salafi scholars because you claim they claim to have the only path to heaven... this is a lie BTW... while the salafi scholars do agree that salafiyyah is the only correct path they don't believe or teach that non-salafis will go to hell just because they're not salafi... you call the salafis intolerant yet YOU are the one who continously condemns anyone here who does not agree with your opinions. You completely reject the notion that anyone can disagree with you while accusing others of the same.

This is about you, not about me, Layla, but that is so often the case.

You call people out in public on what you percieve as sins constantly... you're highly judgemental but intolerant of anyone else judging your own actions.

I tolerate you plenty, but I also correct you. So, call me judgemental and see if I care.

You came here with no immigration need that anyone has been aware of just to rip on converts and try to brainwash us with your BS and then play the victim when we don't bow down to you.

When I need help, I will ask for it as I have in the past.

I got no time for this

You just can’t handle the competition and you are not used to being challenged. Get used to it or leave me alone. I do not whine and I will not suck up to you and your selfish needs for attention and sympathy.

Ignore evasion re-post.

[sarah and hicham 3]

Gupt, why?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

It's ok, Sarah. Since Layla has me on ig, Gupt reposts so she will see my replies. He's cool, smart and fearless. I love that in a man!

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Gupt, why?

Because I can.

Because I have nothing better to do.

Because I enjoy watching the two go at it.

Pick any or all.

[Veiled Princess 1]

And so are you, but you want to make like you are so smart and smug that you can ignore me while seeking to compete with me. It makes no difference if I have credentials, you’re right about that, but I run so many rings around your butt that you have to turn on the ig to post here. Anyone who disagrees with you is "issuing fatwa". If only you knew.

BTW, fatwa is simply a legal opinion that is not bindng on anyone who is not under its jurisdiction, and you’re the only one who says I issued one. You get your panties all in a bunch over something you can easily disregard.

I never claimed to be so smart about anything... I leave the ego-inflation to you.

I’m a Ph.D who hasn’t issued a fatwa. I haven’t claimed to be a scholar, but I could be if I concentrated on it. Don’t hate me coz I’m educated. More Muslim women should be.

I don't hate you. I agree, more muslim women should be educated.

When you say this is haraam and that is haraam with nothing to back you up, based on your own opinions.. you're issuing fatwa.

"[016:116] And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is lawful and this is forbidden," so as to invent lies against Allâh. Verily, those who invent lies against Allâh, will never prosper."

An educated person such as yourself should be able to figure out how the quote function works by now.

I'v ebeen kinda busy with your nonsense. I haven’t copied anything off of Beliefnet, but there’s probably stuff there that I co-wrote. You copy all kinds of stuff without any explanation and all of it is someone else’s opinion that you happen to agree with.

No need to busy yourself with me since I don't post here for your entertainment.

At least the scholars I trust base their opinions on Quran and Sunnah and provide proof for any verdict rendered.

I haven’t called myself a scholar. And you don’t know if the cut and pastes you are getting off of internet muftis are valid or not. I offered to teach because I can. You can call everything I say opinion, if you like, but it has been your intent from the start to drive this thread your way and determine how I should post coz you don't like the idea that I could offer a class in what you have been able to monopolize for a while.

I trust certain websites to translate and post lectures, articles, fatawa, etc from trustworthy scholars. I also have support systems in place to warn of deviated individuals who may be misrepresenting salafiyyah so I can know not to trust that website or shaykh anymore (as is the case with Islam Q&A that Gupt is always quoting from).

You say you don't claim to be a scholar, however, your actions don't support it. You said in a previous post that I should leave the teaching to the scholars (which I do!) but yet you call yourself teaching a class...

First of all, if you're not married and you are intimate with a man, then you have committed zina. That is not my opinion. Second, I don’t come here and promote marriage between non-Muslim men and Muslim women, as you do not registering marriage because Allah doesn't require it. Other than saying I have done it, I haven’t discussed it at all.

But I will say this, you INSIST on proof from the Quran and Sunnah, but, no matter what the scholars say, you will not find any prohibition in the Quran of the Sunnah against it. It is the sources of methodology, maslaha, Ijtihad, ‘illa, kafa’ah - manmade law - ALL THE THINGS THAT YOU REJECT, that provide the rational for any prohibition, for they are not in the Quran nor the Sunnah. What you don’t have in your fake “marriage” is in there.

I am married and there is nothing from Allah or His messenger that denies that. Your opinion does not make it fact. I have not seen any reference from any scholar that goes so far as to call the marriage haraam because it's not registered. You're the only one I find with nerve enough to issue such fatwa without proof from Allah. Being preferred and being mandatory are two different things. You should know that.

Allah offers the option to marry women from the people of the book only to muslim men. He does not mention anything about muslim women having permission to marry their men.

The argument that every ruling in Islam is the same for men and women is absurd... I'm assuming you're not circumsized yourself.

No muslim male or female is allowed to marry non-believers "[060:010] O you who believe! When believing women come to you as emigrants, examine them; Allâh knows best as to their Faith, then if you ascertain that they are true believers send them not back to the disbelievers. They are not lawful (wives) for the disbelievers nor are the disbelievers lawful (husbands) for them. But give them (disbelievers) that (amount of money) which they have spent (as their Mahr) on them. And there will be no sin on you to marry them if you have paid their Mahr to them. Likewise hold not the disbelieving women as wives, and ask for (the return of) that which you have spent (as Mahr) and let them (the disbelievers) ask back for that which they have spent. That is the Judgement of Allâh, He judges between you. And Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Wise." The only exception to this is for muslim men regarding women from the people of the book, "[005:005] Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibât [all kinds of Halâl (lawful) foods, which Allâh has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them. (Lawful to you in marriage) are chaste women from the believers and chaste women from those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians) before your time when you have given their due Mahr (bridal-money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage), desiring chastity (i.e. taking them in legal wedlock) not committing illegal sexual intercourse, nor taking them as girlfriends. And whosoever disbelieves in Faith [i.e. in the Oneness of Allâh and in all the other Articles of Faith, i.e. His (Allâh's) Angels, His Holy Books, His Messengers, the Day of Resurrection and Al-Qadar (Divine Preordainments)], then fruitless is his work; and in the Hereafter he will be among the losers." There is no mention of men from the people of the book being lawful to any muslim woman.

Some of this stuff you’re spouting is so silly as to point to your own vanity and lack of confidence in what you say.

It is silly to seek Allah's pleasure? OK, you're the mufti I'll take your word for it.

Yo do so without questioning it, and that is taqlid - blind following. Not sanctioned by the sharia nor by Salafi philosophy.

I know full well what taqleed is and you're wrong that it's not allowed in salafiyyah. It's actually very much encouraged in some cases... like when a person doesn't have any knowledge of Islam and is unable to make rulings for oneself it is advisable to ask the scholars and follow their opinion (if they're trustworthy) even if you don't understand the evidence exactly. After I'm done replying to this I'll past an article by Imaam Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-’Uthaymeen concerning this for those who may be interested.

Fine, you are free to do so, just get off my thread and let those who want to learn learn without your self-centered and childish interference.

You don't own any thread on VJ. I thought you leaving teaching to the scholars?

This is about you, not about me, Layla, but that is so often the case.

Stop calling my name on this board. You don't see me displaying it.

I tolerate you plenty, but I also correct you. So, call me judgemental and see if I care.

Obviously you care if you continue to hound me with replies.

You don't correct me... you challenge notable scholars and trash talk them because you don't like Saudi. You spread lies and issue fake fatwa to earn praise because all this nonsense on belief net ran all the good muslims off so you got no one to argue with and lie to.

When I need help, I will ask for it as I have in the past.

That is what this website is for after all.

You just can’t handle the competition and you are not used to being challenged. Get used to it or leave me alone. I do not whine and I will not suck up to you and your selfish needs for attention and sympathy.

I am not competing with you. Do you think the muslims on this board didn't have disagreements before you came here? None was shy to voice their opinion against mine then and they're not scared to now. You've misjudged us converts as usual. We have debates here regularly... they didn't start with your membership. The name calling and fatwa issuing did.

Ignore evasion re-post.

Thanks again Gupt... I won't reply to anymore even if you re-post them so you'll just be wasting your time.

As promised for anyone who's interested....

Itjihaad and Taqleed

By: Imaam Muhammad Ibn Saalih al-’Uthaymeen (d.1421H)

Definition of Ijtihaad:

Linguistically ijtihaad means: to expend efforts in order to reach some difficult matter. Technically it means: expending efforts to arrive at a Sharee’ah ruling. And the mujtahid is the one who expends efforts for this purpose.

Conditions for Ijtihaad:

Being a mujtahid has conditions, from them:-

[1] That he knows the Sharee’ah proofs which he needs in his ijtihaad - such as the aayaat (verses) and ahaadeeth pertaining to rulings.

[2] That he knows what relates to the authenticity or weakness of a hadeeth, such as having knowledge of the isnaad (chain of narration) and it’s narrators, and other than this.

[3] That he knows an-naasikh (the abrogating) and al-mansookh (the abrogated), and the places where there is ijmaa’ (consensus) - such that he does not give a ruling according to something that has been abrogated, nor give a ruling that opposes the (authentically related) ijmaa’.

[4] That he knows from the proofs that which causes the rulings to vary, such as takhsees (particularisation), or taqyeed (restriction), or it’s like. So he does not give a judgement which is contrary to this.

[5] That he knows the Arabic language and usoolul-fiqh (fundamentals and principles of jurisprudence), and what relates to the meanings and indications of particular wordings - such as al-’aam (the general), al-khaass (the particular), al-mutlaq (the absolute and unrestricted), al-muqayyid (the restricted), al-mujmal (the unclarified), and al-mubayyin (the clarified), and it’s like - in order that he gives rulings in accordance with what this demands.

[6] That he has the ability to extract rulings from the evidences.

And ijtihâd may be split up, such that it may be undertaken in one particular branch of knowledge, or in one particular issue.

What is Essential for the Mujtahid:

It is essential that the Mujtahid strives in expending his efforts to arrive at knowledge of the truth, and to give rulings in accordance to what is apparent to him. If he is correct, then he has two rewards: one for his ijtihaad, and the other for arriving at the truth - since arriving at the truth means that it is manifested and acted upon. If, however, he is mistaken, then he has a single reward, and his error is forgiven for him - as he (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) said, “When a judge judges and strives and is correct, then he has two rewards. If he judges and strives and errs, then he has a single reward.” [2] If the ruling is not clear to him, then he must withhold - and in such a case, taqlîd is permissible for him, due to necessity.

Taqleed - its Definition:

Linguistically, taqleed means: Placing something around the neck, which encircles the neck. Technically it means: Following he whose sayings is not a hujjah (proof).

Excluded from our saying, “Following he whose saying is not a proof.” is: following the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), following the ijmaa’ and also following the saying of the Companions - for those who consider the saying of a single Companion to be a proof. So following any of these is not called taqleed, since there is a proof for doing so. However this type of following is sometimes referred to as taqleed in a very metaphorical and loose sense.

The Place of Taqleed:

Taqleed is done in two cases:

Firstly: when the muqallid is an ’aamee (a common person) who does not have the ability to acquire knowledge of the Sharee’ah ruling by himself. So taqleed is obligatory upon him, due to the saying of Allaah - The Most High,

“Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know.” [3]

So he does taqleed of one whom he considers to be a person of knowledge and piety. If there are two such people who are equal in his view, then he chooses any one of them.

Secondly: The mujtahid when he encounters a new situation, for which an immediate solution is required, but it is not possible for him to research into this matter. So in this case he is permitted to perform taqleed.

Some stipulate as a condition for the permissibility of taqleed, that the matter is not from the fundamentals of the Religion - those matters which must be held as ’aqeedah - since matters of ’aqeedah require certainty, whereas taqleed only amounts to dhann (knowledge which is not certain).

However the correct saying in this matter is that this is not a condition, due to the generality of his - the Most High’s - saying, “Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know.” And this verse is in the context of affirming the Messengership - which is from the fundamentals of the Religion. And also because the common person cannot acquire knowledge of the Sharee’ah rulings with its proofs by himself. So if he is unable to arrive at the truth by himself, then nothing remains for him except taqleed, due to the saying of Allaah - the Most High,

“Fear Allaah as much as you can.” [4]

Types of Taqleed:

Taqleed is of two types: general and specific.

[1] The general type: that a person sticks to a particular madhhab (school of thought), accepting it’s concessions and non-concessions, in all matters of the Religion.

The Scholars have differed about such a state. So some amongst the late-comers have reported that this is obligatory upon him, due to his inability to perform ijtihaad. Others report it as being forbidden for him, due to its being a case of necessitating unrestricted following of other than the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam).

Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah (d.728H) said, “The saying that it is obligatory, causes obedience to other than the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam) in every matter of command and prohibition, and this is in opposition to the ijmâ’. And the allowance of it contains what it contains.”

He, rahimahullaah, also said, “He who sticks to a particular madhhab, and then acts in opposition to it - without making taqleed of another scholar who has given him a ruling, nor does he use an evidence as a proof which necessitates acting in opposition to his madhhab, nor does he have an acceptable Sharee’ah excuse which allows him to do what he has done - then such a person is a follower of his desires, doing what is haraam - without a Sharee’ah excuse - and this is evil and sinful.

However, if there becomes clear to him, something which necessitates preference to one saying to another - either due to detailed proofs if he knows and understands them, or because he holds one of two people to be more knowledgeable about this matter and having more piety with regards to what he says - and so he leaves the saying of that one for the saying of the other one, then this is permissible, rather, it is obligatory. And there is a text from Imaam Ahmad about this.”

[2] The particular type of taqleed is that he accepts a saying about a particular matter. This is permissible if such a person is unable to arrive at knowledge of the by ijtihaad - whether he is unable to in reality, or he is able, but with great difficulty.

Fatwaa of a Muqallid:

Allaah - the Most High - said, “Ask the people of knowledge if you do not know.” And the Ahludh-Dhikr are the Ahlul-’Ilm (the people of knowledge), whereas the muqallid is not a person of knowledge who is followed - rather he himself is a follower of someone else.

Ibn ’Abdul-Barr (d.463) and others have said, “The people are united in ijmaa’ that the muqallid is not counted as being from the Ahlul-’Ilm, and that knowledge is the realisation of guidance along with it's proof.” [5]

Ibnul-Qayyim (d.756H) said, “And it is as Aboo ’Umar (Ibn ’Abdul-Barr) said, “Indeed, the people do not differ about the fact that knowledge is the realisation attained from proof, but without proof, it is only taqleed.” [6]

Ibnul-Qayyim then quotes, “There are three sayings about the permissibility of giving fatwaa (legal verdict) based upon taqleed:

Firstly: It is not permissible to give fatwaa based upon taqleed, because it is not knowledge; since issuing a fatwaa without knowledge is forbidden. This is the saying of most of the Hanbalee scholars and the majority of the Shaafi’iyyah.

Secondly: That it is permissible with regards to himself, but it is not permissible to give a fatwâ to others based upon taqleed.

Thirdly: That it is permissible when there is a need for it, and there is no mujtahid scholar. And this is the most correct of the sayings and is what is acted upon.”

Footnotes:

[1] He is: Aboo ’Abdullaah, Muhammad Ibn Saalih Ibn Muhammad Ibnul-’Uthaymeen al-Wuhaybee at-Tameemee. He was born in the town of ’Unayzah (Saudi Arabia) on the 27th of the blessed month of Ramadaan in the year 1347H. He memorised the Qur‘aan during his early life and then continued seeking knowledge under two students of Shaykh ’Abdur-Rahmaan as-Sa’dee. He then continued to study under Shaykh ’Abdur-Rahmaan Ibn Sa’dee who is considered to be his first Shaykh, since he remained with him for some time - where he studied Tawheed, Tafseer, Hadeeth, Fiqh, Usoolul-Fiqh, al-Faraa‘id (Laws of Inheritance), Nahw (Grammar) and Sarf (Morphology). Ibnul-’Uthaymeen also studied under the eminent and noble Scholar, Shaykh ’Abdul-’Azeez Ibn Baaz, who is considered to be his second teacher. Under him, he began studying Saheehul-Bukhaaree, some of the works of Shaykhul-Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah, and some of the books of Fiqh. Ibnul-’Uthaymeen says, “I was influenced by Shaykh ’Abdul-’Azeez Ibn Baaz - hafidhahullaah with regard to the great attention he gave to hadeeth, and I was also influenced by his manners and the way in which he makes himself available to, and puts himself at the service of the people.” One of the foremost Scholars of Ahlus-Sunnah in this present age, the Shaykh is - by Allaah’s grace very active in calling the people to Allaah. Indeed, he has greatly exerted himself with this regard. The Shaykh - hafidhahullaah has written around forty different works, some larger books and some treatises. This particular discussion on ijtihaad and taqleed has been taken from his book: al-Usool min ’Ilmil-Usool (p. 97-104).

[2] Related by al-Bukhaaree (13/318) and Muslim (no. 1716)

[3] Sooratun-Nahl [16:43]

[4] Sooratut-Taghaabun [64:16]

[5] Jaami’ Bayaanul-’Ilm wa Fadlihi (2/119)

[6] I’laamul-Muwaqqi’een (l/7)

Itjihaad and Taqleed

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This thread isn't about you, Layla, not everything is. So what you trust and who you follow is of no importance to me since you're not interested in facts anyway. I see you're leaving. Take your lame cut and paste with you. Buh Bye!

More to come.

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You adopt abrogations and exceptions without authority from Allah when you oppose interfaith marriage for Muslim women, which has no prohibition in the Quran nor the Sunnah. That is something even trained, legitimate scholars are loathe to do, and that is not what the best among them use to justify their man-made prohibition.

Then you rail against doing something that Allah has commanded, providing a means of protection, mediation and justice in a marriage. You're not married, Layla, because you have NOTHING that is required to validate it beyond the nikah ceremony, you just don't want to accept it. I won't call you a fornicator, you have done that enough to yourself.

Go away, Layla. All you do is whine, cut and paste, demand attention, make up ####### about people, try to start fights, and make it difficult for others to discuss anything with proper adab.

Just go away.

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You adopt abrogations and exceptions without authority from Allah when you oppose interfaith marriage for Muslim women, which has no prohibition in the Quran nor the Sunnah. That is something even trained, legitimate scholars are loathe to do, and that is not what the best among them use to justify their man-made prohibition.

Then you rail against doing something that Allah has commanded, providing a means of protection, mediation and justice in a marriage. You're not married, Layla, because you have NOTHING that is required to validate it beyond the nikah ceremony, you just don't want to accept it. I won't call you a fornicator, you have done that enough to yourself.

Go away, Layla. All you do is whine, cut and paste, demand attention, make up ####### about people, try to start fights, and make it difficult for others to discuss anything with proper adab.

Just go away.

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You adopt abrogations and exceptions without authority from Allah when you oppose interfaith marriage for Muslim women, which has no prohibition in the Quran nor the Sunnah. That is something even trained, legitimate scholars are loathe to do, and that is not what the best among them use to justify their man-made prohibition.

Then you rail against doing something that Allah has commanded, providing a means of protection, mediation and justice in a marriage. You're not married, Layla, because you have NOTHING that is required to validate it beyond the nikah ceremony, you just don't want to accept it. I won't call you a fornicator, you have done that enough to yourself.

Go away, Layla. All you do is whine, cut and paste, demand attention, make up ####### about people, try to start fights, and make it difficult for others to discuss anything with proper adab.

Just go away.

*whispers to ari* layla has gone away now .... she hasn't been here in hours!!! save your energy for later! *tiptoes out*

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