Hollywood Librul Shows His Temper

[_Simpson_ 250]

If you can't be bothered to learn to communicate clearly, why would anyone bother engaging you in any sort of debate? ####### does it matter where I taught?

Just curious. As far as the other stuff goes, spare me.

[kytwell 179]

Isn't the national avg for a teacher @ 48k a year? That's not a terrible salary for a 9 month a year job. Not to mention these SOB's can strike to get raises(and get them), while the majority have been on salary freezes for the past 4-5 years. I don't pity teachers at all, they knew what the salary was going to be when they decided to pursue the profession. And at least here in my little corner of the country that I know, teachers are very well paid. The avg. in the district where I reside is 72k a year for a teacher with 5 yrs experience and a master's degree. That's pretty good when you consider only having to work 6.5 hrs a day(in classroom) and not have to use any of their vacation time during Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and summer vacation. Then they get vacation time, personal and sick days in addition. They can also continue pursuing degrees and then get reimbursed for it by the district too.

As for taking away extra curricular programs to fund higher teacher salaries, that doesn't do kids any good as it takes away an outlet that may be used in a constructive manner for the kids and community as a whole versus having idle time to get high, drunk or bang your daughter's. For example wrestling is one of the sports most schools get rid of, this could be a poor farm boy or inner city youth way to escape from what would become a life on the farm or caught in the jungle of the inner city culture. There's much more I could add to this, but that is for another topic for the debacle known as Title IX.

[웃 910]

As for taking away extra curricular programs to fund higher teacher salaries, that doesn't do kids any good as it takes away an outlet that may be used in a constructive manner for the kids and community as a whole versus having idle time to get high, drunk or bang your daughter's.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Its slang for **.

[^_^ 5,021]

... the majority have been on salary freezes for the past 4-5 years.

I don't know anyone in the private sector who has been on salary freeze for 4-5 years. It sounds like you're stuck in a personal rut and are taking it out on others.

[B_J 2,752]

Isn't the national avg for a teacher @ 48k a year? That's not a terrible salary for a 9 month a year job. Not to mention these SOB's

No offense taken. In case you were wondering.

[Golden Gate 530]

Isn't the national avg for a teacher @ 48k a year? That's not a terrible salary for a 9 month a year job. Not to mention these SOB's can strike to get raises(and get them), while the majority have been on salary freezes for the past 4-5 years. I don't pity teachers at all, they knew what the salary was going to be when they decided to pursue the profession. And at least here in my little corner of the country that I know, teachers are very well paid. The avg. in the district where I reside is 72k a year for a teacher with 5 yrs experience and a master's degree. That's pretty good when you consider only having to work 6.5 hrs a day(in classroom) and not have to use any of their vacation time during Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and summer vacation. Then they get vacation time, personal and sick days in addition. They can also continue pursuing degrees and then get reimbursed for it by the district too.

As for taking away extra curricular programs to fund higher teacher salaries, that doesn't do kids any good as it takes away an outlet that may be used in a constructive manner for the kids and community as a whole versus having idle time to get high, drunk or bang your daughter's. For example wrestling is one of the sports most schools get rid of, this could be a poor farm boy or inner city youth way to escape from what would become a life on the farm or caught in the jungle of the inner city culture. There's much more I could add to this, but that is for another topic for the debacle known as Title IX.

I am sure several states have a nice average salary for the people who have been in the district for a longgggg time. You certainly don't start out with that type of income. In North Carolina teachers start at about $29,000. In some states - $25,000.

They have had a salary freeze on teachers for the past four years that I have been in North Carolina, and some days we worked for free. My salary was $30,600, because I had some experience coming in. You don't just work 6.5 hours per day. You have lots of work to do outside of the school day - grading, preparation, teacher workshops, plus teachers put a lot of their own money into supplies.

You don't have any vacation time left after you use them for the vacations you mentioned and they aren't all paid for - the days up to Christmas are workdays. You have to accumulate that time each month, so you can't be taking days off hither thither. You are penalized for taking too many days off during the school year.

This district doesn't necessarily reimburse you for further education.

We had three high school physical education teachers who had 12 students each in their classes. They were alternating giving their student load to one of the teachers each day, so the other two could go play golf all day. Yet they were being paid. Why? Because extra-curricular activities, which these teachers also get paid for, were too important to this district. So, you bet theeey were making a good salary. By the way, my job was eliminated so that they could keep their comfy situation. This is mismanagement by the administration.

My district laid off all the teachers that were about to obtain tenure. So, they continue to hire first year teachers, to keep the salary at it's lowest. As soon as you are about to receive tenure and thus start working for retirement, they drop you. In the meantime, we have administrators (principals) making 3 1/2 times the teachers, then add on their $20,000 bonus. Superintendents come and feed off the carcass of the district until they get a cushier position and move on.

I really don't like when people generalize about my profession. Until you've experienced it yourself, I don't see how qualified you are to criticize the teaching profession. By the way, I don't think any teachers want pity. We just want fairness, and that is what is missing today.

Teachers are complaining today because they are being blamed for all that is going wrong with education. How about the parents who refuse to teach their children how to behave? The bureaucracy of people who know little about being an educator, yet dictate the rules? The administrators who are only looking out for their own self-interests? Many principals have only been teachers a short time and choose to move out of teaching. How qualified are they really to be dictating what teachers should be doing? My assistant principal was a teacher for one year!! How about the nepotism that goes on, to allow certain people to reach positions of power? How about the lack of reliance on homegrown solutions to problems, rather than national dictates on what a particular district needs to focus on? How about the expectation that teachers are given to shove the information down the child's throat so they pass the test? Do it, or you will be gone!

Perhaps some teachers have a great salary. They are people who have been around a long time. That is not the case in the present day for the new teachers.

Edited August 3, 2011 by Golden Gate

[_Simpson_ 250]

I don't know anyone in the private sector who has been on salary freeze for 4-5 years. It sounds like you're stuck in a personal rut and are taking it out on others.

You wouldn't happen to live in California would you?

[Golden Gate 530]

I am sure several states have a nice average salary for the people who have been in the district for a longgggg time. You certainly don't start out with that type of income. In North Carolina teachers start at about $29,000. In some states - $25,000.

They have had a salary freeze on teachers for the past four years that I have been in North Carolina, and some days we worked for free. My salary was $30,600, because I had some experience coming in. You don't just work 6.5 hours per day. You have lots of work to do outside of the school day - grading, preparation, teacher workshops, plus teachers put a lot of their own money into supplies.

You don't have any vacation time left after you use them for the vacations you mentioned and they aren't all paid for - the days up to Christmas are workdays. You have to accumulate that time each month, so you can't be taking days off hither thither. You are penalized for taking too many days off during the school year.

This district doesn't necessarily reimburse you for further education.

We had three high school physical education teachers who had 12 students each in their classes. They were alternating giving their student load to one of the teachers each day, so the other two could go play golf all day. Yet they were being paid. Why? Because extra-curricular activities, which these teachers also get paid for, were too important to this district. So, you bet theeey were making a good salary. By the way, my job was eliminated so that they could keep their comfy situation. This is mismanagement by the administration.

My district laid off all the teachers that were about to obtain tenure. So, they continue to hire first year teachers, to keep the salary at it's lowest. As soon as you are about to receive tenure and thus start working for retirement, they drop you. In the meantime, we have administrators (principals) making 3 1/2 times the teachers, then add on their $20,000 bonus. Superintendents come and feed off the carcass of the district until they get a cushier position and move on.

I really don't like when people generalize about my profession. Until you've experienced it yourself, I don't see how qualified you are to criticize the teaching profession. By the way, I don't think any teachers want pity. We just want fairness, and that is what is missing today.

Teachers are complaining today because they are being blamed for all that is going wrong with education. How about the parents who refuse to teach their children how to behave? The bureaucracy of people who know little about being an educator, yet dictate the rules? The administrators who are only looking out for their own self-interests? Many principals have only been teachers a short time and choose to move out of teaching. How qualified are they really to be dictating what teachers should be doing? My assistant principal was a teacher for one year!! How about the nepotism that goes on, to allow certain people to reach positions of power? How about the lack of reliance on homegrown solutions to problems, rather than national dictates on what a particular district needs to focus on? How about the expectation that teachers are given to shove the information down the child's throat so they pass the test? Do it, or you will be gone!

Perhaps some teachers have a great salary. They are people who have been around a long time. That is not the case in the present day for the new teachers.

Another thing? Teachers don't get breaks during the day. They have to be with their students from the moment they arrive until the moment they leave. The only break they get is to plan for 40 minutes with the other teachers. They have to eat their lunch with the students. They have no morning break, lunch break nor afternoon break to have some alone time like you do in the private sector. They aren't allowed to socialize with the other teachers - their break room was taken away. Plus they have to arrive early to work and leave late, because they have to serve car duty.

Like I said, try being a teacher, before you criticize. You have no idea, and that's the problem with a lot of people today who are deciding public policy for education. Who hires superintendents? Are they qualified? They are just people in the neighborhood who happen to run for school board.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I don't know anyone in the private sector who has been on salary freeze for 4-5 years. It sounds like you're stuck in a personal rut and are taking it out on others.

Word. Up about 30% in that timeframe. Could have been worse.

[kytwell 179]

I don't know anyone in the private sector who has been on salary freeze for 4-5 years. It sounds like you're stuck in a personal rut and are taking it out on others.

HUH?!? Maybe don't know too many people...

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28790242/ns/business-personal_finance/t/pay-freezes-spread-during-recession/

Tropicana Casino and Resort of Atlantic City, N.J., said Wednesday it's freezing pay for those making $50,000 and up and capping raises for lower-paid workers. But the company said more than 100 employees could still lose their jobs.

Car company Avis Budget Group Inc. late last year announced a management salary freeze and cut more than 2,200 jobs to reduce costs.

Engine maker Cummins Inc. last week said it is freezing salaries and will cut 800 workers worldwide by the end of February.

The Cleveland Clinic in Ohio imposed a hiring and salary freeze across its 33,000-worker health system in December. Aluminum producer Alcoa Inc., which this month said it was slashing 13,500 workers worldwide, has also imposed a salary and hiring freeze.

Caterpillar Inc., the world's biggest maker of mining and construction equipment, in late December said it was cutting executive compensation by up to 50 percent. It's also suspending merit pay increases for managers and support staff.

[kytwell 179]

I didn't meant to offend you if you were BJ. I don't like that here the teachers can strike and mess up vacations scheduled for mid to late June, because school must run later b/c of their selfishness or that we have to pay extra for special care with daycare providers during a strike or burn vacation time to take off work with the kids. If their motivation is educating our youth as claimed, then they should be like police and fire and not be able to strike then. As for teaching thing and not knowing, my brother is on the school board here. I also have 2 Aunts, 4 cousins and an ex-gf who are all teachers in districts local to my surrounding area. Maybe it's just in the SE Pennsylvania area then where they are well paid and can afford au pair services and high end vehicles. (I'm not bitter at all, I make about 80k a year in the waste and recycling industry for a public/private enterprise.) As I said earlier, they(teachers) knew what salaries were when they decided to pursue that profession. Maybe they have too much outstanding student loans and that's why they want raises...but 48K a year for a 9 month job isn't a low salary. Even the 29/30K a year job isn't that low for a 9 month job and there's plenty of opportunities for summer work and tutoring.

North Carolina teacher(Golden Gate), I don't know conditions there, true. I think you need to come to district I am in and work. Here teachers don't need to cover recess, lunches or bus duty....they have the class room aides do it(was one of sticking points in last contract here). They do get lunch, they get 5 vacation days, 2 personal days and 9 sick days, as well as 100% reimbursement for all courses taken(with a passing grade).

[kytwell 179]

Its slang for **.

I was going to use the analogy that if you take away football, that it could be someones daughter who will give new meaning to the phrase "8 men in the box" for the defensive players, now without a sport. But I stuck with facts, as it is mainly wrestling that gets cut.

[B_J 2,752]

I didn't meant to offend you if you were BJ. I don't like that here the teachers can strike and mess up vacations scheduled for mid to late June, because school must run later b/c of their selfishness or that we have to pay extra for special care with daycare providers during a strike or burn vacation time to take off work with the kids. If their motivation is educating our youth as claimed, then they should be like police and fire and not be able to strike then.

Well you need to move to Texas because teachers can't strike here.

[Golden Gate 530]

I didn't meant to offend you if you were BJ. I don't like that here the teachers can strike and mess up vacations scheduled for mid to late June, because school must run later b/c of their selfishness or that we have to pay extra for special care with daycare providers during a strike or burn vacation time to take off work with the kids. If their motivation is educating our youth as claimed, then they should be like police and fire and not be able to strike then. As for teaching thing and not knowing, my brother is on the school board here. I also have 2 Aunts, 4 cousins and an ex-gf who are all teachers in districts local to my surrounding area. Maybe it's just in the SE Pennsylvania area then where they are well paid and can afford au pair services and high end vehicles. (I'm not bitter at all, I make about 80k a year in the waste and recycling industry for a public/private enterprise.) As I said earlier, they(teachers) knew what salaries were when they decided to pursue that profession. Maybe they have too much outstanding student loans and that's why they want raises...but 48K a year for a 9 month job isn't a low salary. Even the 29/30K a year job isn't that low for a 9 month job and there's plenty of opportunities for summer work and tutoring.

North Carolina teacher(Golden Gate), I don't know conditions there, true. I think you need to come to district I am in and work. Here teachers don't need to cover recess, lunches or bus duty....they have the class room aides do it(was one of sticking points in last contract here). They do get lunch, they get 5 vacation days, 2 personal days and 9 sick days, as well as 100% reimbursement for all courses taken(with a passing grade).

It isn't a 9 month job, it's a 10 month job - teachers ended work June 18 this year and start working the week of August 8. Yeah, maybe Pennsylvania is different. Even some parts of North Carolina are, like Asheville area. Mostly, there are a lot of areas, like here, where there are no jobs. There is a high unemployment rate - it is a highly depressed area and you are likely to get a summer job, if even possible, that pays about $7.50 an hour. Doesn't even cover the cost of childcare. Yeah, we have children too, that need to be taken care of. But I guess we are just too darn selfish. However, I guess you aren't selfish with your $80,000 salary. Hmmmmph.

People aren't rich around here and can't afford au pairs and all that. I just don't like people generalizing about this subject and spreading a mythology (like that the average national salary of a teacher is $46,000 or whatever.) Those cushy teaching jobs are few and far between nowadays and basing an argument on that is just misleading and false.

Also, there are no unions down here. Teachers do need protections, and they have a right to some fair representation. Principals and administrators have too much power here to the point I would consider it corruption.

Finding a job in another area is also a myth. When you look for teaching jobs, you find them in the most undesirable areas, places just like this.

You just can't generalize, especially when you happen to live in an area that is obviously more up-scale. You have no idea of how the rest of us live.

Reminds me of another person - Barbara Bush - who said during Hurricane Katrina something along the lines of that those people staying at the Super Dome should feel lucky that staying there is so much better than how they are used to living. Well, wouldn't she know!!

Edited August 3, 2011 by Golden Gate