I am pregnant by my husband. He wants me to have another abortion...

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Well aren't YOU just full of sexist remarks??? holy estrogen, Batgirl!!

And maybe you'll never know what it's like to be ADOPTED, either, which proves exactly what?

sheesh

How the hell ~could~ a man ever know what it's like to carry a baby???

How would ~you~ ever know how it feels to -father- one either???

un-buh-leev-a-bull!

None of your comments are relevant.

I feel the same way about yours. Thank you very much.

A man cannot ever know the pain it is to give up a child for adoption after having carried it, nor can he know what it takes to make the decision to have an abortion. This doesn't preclude a man's role or emotional involvement, however, such is very different, than that of a woman's.

DUH!

There is quite a lot of research done on the emotional toll on a woman to give up a baby for adoption vs. abortion. The first comes out far worse in studies.

Would you care to even try to cite ONE such study???

It is your body, your baby, your choice, yes he has an opinion, but you have the final decision. While I do not agree with his stand, and think he is some sorta of a control freak, he is entitled to his opinion. Though I can never be pregnant (wrong gender), I would never ask someone to make that decision or ask them to kill a part of me off. Dude is a loser.

Your post is missing the element of intellegence. Your a very weak minded person. Although i am totally against abortion, for you, my friend, it may not have been such a bad idea.

I had the feeling he was referring to the OP's situation, not to you, Matt...

-- Dan

Edited November 27, 2006 by PurrSuede

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I had the feeling he was referring to the OP's situation, not to you, Matt...

-- Dan

Wow... I feel like a complete fool. How could i not have seen that? Well I sincerely apologize for what i said to boboroad. Thanks for pointing that out purrsuede. Open mouth, insert foot eh? bad, matt, bad

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I had the feeling he was referring to the OP's situation, not to you, Matt...

-- Dan

Wow... I feel like a complete fool. How could i not have seen that? Well I sincerely apologize for what i said to boboroad. Thanks for pointing that out purrsuede. Open mouth, insert foot eh? bad, matt, bad

Walk away from the thread Matt, walk away from the thread!

Edited November 28, 2006 by mags

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Well I found matt's suggestion from the point of view of one who WAS Adopted...

And frankly, I'm very grateful that I was adopted, because if my mother had chosen abortion instead, you wouldn't be reading this post.

So I think Matt was only trying to suggest an alternative to ABORTING another child, and I think from that standpoint, it was a very intelligent and viable suggestion.

I am pro-choice, but also very pro-life, and I hope this woman would consider ANYTHING but aborting another child again.

You are right, I don't have a uterus, but I do have tremendous respect for women and mothers...

And from the point of view of "hey this is a much better alternative than aborting", I think Matt's comment was reasonable. He DID say:

that is if you cannot afford to have a baby

so he certainly did qualify his initial statement.

-- Dan

Big deal...you were adopted...no one's saying that adoption isn't a great thing. What the point was it's just not as simple as 'oh I'm broke now so lemme give up the kid' Many parents struggle thru only to find their predicaments worlds better years later. Having a kid is not just an immediate situation...it's for life. Giving up a kid only due to finances is a very permanant solution to a temporary problem & tbh, the blase attitude like 'no big shakes, just give it up' is silly.

Furthermore, it's not sexist to say a man doesn't know what it's like to carry a baby inside of him for 9 months. Stop being so PC, Dan....it's stupid

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Furthermore, it's not sexist to say a man doesn't know what it's like to carry a baby inside of him for 9 months. Stop being so PC, Dan....it's stupid

If she had made exactly that statement, in such a manner as you described, it wouldn't have been sexist.

The way the statement was targeted, it certainly -was- a rather sexist remark. And in case you didn't get the drift of the "Holy Estrogen, Batgirl", it was meant rather T.I.C., but I guess you didn't catch that either, but as long as we're going to split some hairs....

So typical. Spoken like someone who doesn't have a uterus and will never carry a baby for 9 months.

There's a difference between saying "a man doesn't know what it's like to..." and "go figure, a MAN would say something like that", as an example, Lisa, along with the sarcastic "So Typical".

Stop being stupid, Lisa, it's sooooooooooo PC.... LOL

Furthermore, it's not sexist to say a man doesn't know what it's like to carry a baby inside of him for 9 months. Stop being so PC, Dan....it's stupid

And by the way, Lisa:

.... nor do I think you need to explain what she said. Surely you can have your own opinion & are free to express that, but why paraphrase for another poster? I don't get it.

I don't think you need to explain what she said. Surely you can have your own opinion and are free to express that, but why did you feel the need to paraphrase for another poster?? I just don't get that...

::::: smile :::::

-- Dan

Edited December 5, 2006 by PurrSuede

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It might have been rude IYO, but it's not sexist, it's the truth. A man doesn't have a uterus. A man cannot know what it's like to carry a baby. A man made the flip comment that made it seem as if "giving up" a baby is simple. These are all facts and truths. I cannot be sexist toward you about you not having a uterus, it's biology.

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Dan...

what she said was

Exactly, which is why a MAN can NEVER know what it's like to carry a baby, and should NEVER suggest a woman can give up a baby she's carried 9 months as if it's the simplest thing in the world.

which I completely agree with, btw.

I was not paraphrasing, I was repeating in case you missed it, because it seems you did.

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Dan...

what she said was

Exactly, which is why a MAN can NEVER know what it's like to carry a baby, and should NEVER suggest a woman can give up a baby she's carried 9 months as if it's the simplest thing in the world.

which I completely agree with, btw.

I was not paraphrasing, I was repeating in case you missed it, because it seems you did.

You were paraphrasing.

You did not repeat exactly what was said. Therefore you paraphrased it.

So no, I didn't miss anything, only that you seemed to feel the need to explain someone else's post, and then criticized someone else for doing the same thing.

Sorry, but it seems my attention to detail is quite a bit more accurate than yours.

Definite

-- Dan

Edited December 6, 2006 by PurrSuede

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It might have been rude IYO, but it's not sexist, it's the truth. A man doesn't have a uterus. A man cannot know what it's like to carry a baby. A man made the flip comment that made it seem as if "giving up" a baby is simple. These are all facts and truths. I cannot be sexist toward you about you not having a uterus, it's biology.

That's not what you said... you said:

So typical. Spoken like someone who doesn't have a uterus

Saying someone doesn't have a uterus is biology and NOT sexist...

Saying "that's typical. And spoken LIKE someone who doesn't have a uterus" ~IS~ sexist

Huge difference. One is a statement of fact. The other is a sexist remark.

Fine, you want to accuse a man of making a "flip" comment. I'm accusing you of doing the same thing. It was a sh*tty sexist remark you said...

You didn't say "you don't have a uterus, so you don't know..."

you said so TYPICAL and SPOKEN like someone who... that is pure and blatant sexism speaking.

If I said, "these arguments are SO typical of a bunch of ESTROGEN-laden women who obviously must be having a bad-hormone day to be so damn picky about it...", you'd be screaming about it.

Good thing I didn't say anything of the sort. That would be sexist of me to do so.

In case you don't understand the difference I suggest you look up the definition.

One definition of "sexism" is:

Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

When you said "SO TYPICAL, and spoken like" that is exactly what you were doing... showing an attitude that promoted stereotyping of social roles based on gender (the fact he doesn't have a uterus only denotes his gender).

-- Dan

Edited December 6, 2006 by PurrSuede

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Dan...

what she said was

Exactly, which is why a MAN can NEVER know what it's like to carry a baby, and should NEVER suggest a woman can give up a baby she's carried 9 months as if it's the simplest thing in the world.

which I completely agree with, btw.

I was not paraphrasing, I was repeating in case you missed it, because it seems you did.

You were paraphrasing.

You did not repeat exactly what was said. Therefore you paraphrased it.

So no, I didn't miss anything, only that you seemed to feel the need to explain someone else's post, and then criticized someone else for doing the same thing.

Sorry, but it seems my attention to detail is quite a bit more accurate than yours.

Definite

-- Dan

I am not explaining someone else's post...I am stating my opinion.

Furthermore, it's not sexist to say a man doesn't know what it's like to carry a baby inside of him for 9 months. Stop being so PC, Dan....it's stupid

and it's still not....so get over it and go hump someone else's leg

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It might have been rude IYO, but it's not sexist, it's the truth. A man doesn't have a uterus. A man cannot know what it's like to carry a baby. A man made the flip comment that made it seem as if "giving up" a baby is simple. These are all facts and truths. I cannot be sexist toward you about you not having a uterus, it's biology.

That's not what you said... you said:

So typical. Spoken like someone who doesn't have a uterus

Saying someone doesn't have a uterus is biology and NOT sexist...

Saying "that's typical. And spoken LIKE someone who doesn't have a uterus" ~IS~ sexist

Huge difference. One is a statement of fact. The other is a sexist remark.

Fine, you want to accuse a man of making a "flip" comment. I'm accusing you of doing the same thing. It was a sh*tty sexist remark you said...

You didn't say "you don't have a uterus, so you don't know..."

you said so TYPICAL and SPOKEN like someone who... that is pure and blatant sexism speaking.

If I said, "these arguments are SO typical of a bunch of ESTROGEN-laden women who obviously must be having a bad-hormone day to be so damn picky about it...", you'd be screaming about it.

Good thing I didn't say anything of the sort. That would be sexist of me to do so.

In case you don't understand the difference I suggest you look up the definition.

One definition of "sexism" is:

Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

When you said "SO TYPICAL, and spoken like" that is exactly what you were doing... showing an attitude that promoted stereotyping of social roles based on gender (the fact he doesn't have a uterus only denotes his gender).

-- Dan

OMG this lesson is just what I've been waiting for.

p.s. You can say whatever you want about hormones, it's a lame come back that I overlook.

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and it's still not....so get over it and go hump someone else's leg

I'm waaaaay over it. You, I expect those kinds of remarks from, so I'm used to them...

:heh:

-- Dan

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It might have been rude IYO, but it's not sexist, it's the truth. A man doesn't have a uterus. A man cannot know what it's like to carry a baby. A man made the flip comment that made it seem as if "giving up" a baby is simple. These are all facts and truths. I cannot be sexist toward you about you not having a uterus, it's biology.

That's not what you said... you said:

So typical. Spoken like someone who doesn't have a uterus

Saying someone doesn't have a uterus is biology and NOT sexist...

Saying "that's typical. And spoken LIKE someone who doesn't have a uterus" ~IS~ sexist

Huge difference. One is a statement of fact. The other is a sexist remark.

Fine, you want to accuse a man of making a "flip" comment. I'm accusing you of doing the same thing. It was a sh*tty sexist remark you said...

You didn't say "you don't have a uterus, so you don't know..."

you said so TYPICAL and SPOKEN like someone who... that is pure and blatant sexism speaking.

If I said, "these arguments are SO typical of a bunch of ESTROGEN-laden women who obviously must be having a bad-hormone day to be so damn picky about it...", you'd be screaming about it.

Good thing I didn't say anything of the sort. That would be sexist of me to do so.

In case you don't understand the difference I suggest you look up the definition.

One definition of "sexism" is:

Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.

When you said "SO TYPICAL, and spoken like" that is exactly what you were doing... showing an attitude that promoted stereotyping of social roles based on gender (the fact he doesn't have a uterus only denotes his gender).

-- Dan

OMG this lesson is just what I've been waiting for.

p.s. You can say whatever you want about hormones, it's a lame come back that I overlook.

I didn't say a damn thing about hormones, I said "IF I SAID something like that, you'd be all over it". I was showing you an example of the difference between the two. Obviously you don't have seem to be able to fathom the difference between the two, or understand when someone is giving you an EXAMPLE vs. making a statement. Speaking of lame....

When you've figured out that difference, we can consider having a rational conversation or even debate. Minus your sexist remarks, hopefully.

At least LisaD knows which side of the sexist divide her remarks are coming from...

-- Dan

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Furthermore, it's not sexist to say a man doesn't know what it's like to carry a baby inside of him for 9 months.

and it's still not....so get over it and go hump someone else's leg

PS: that is NOT what she said, so stop paraphrasing other people's posts if you've nothing better to do...

-- Dan

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I didn't say a damn thing about hormones, I said "IF I SAID something like that, you'd be all over it". I was showing you an example of the difference between the two. Obviously you don't have seem to be able to fathom the difference between the two, or understand when someone is giving you an EXAMPLE vs. making a statement. Speaking of lame....

When you've figured out that difference, we can consider having a rational conversation or even debate. Minus your sexist remarks, hopefully.

At least LisaD knows which side of the sexist divide her remarks are coming from...

-- Dan

I know you were giving an example, which is why I said, you (or whomever) can say anything about hormones you want, I don't find it worth the time to be insulted by it. Nor do I consider my comments sexist, and I don't have to agree that they are in order to discuss or debate this with you. It wouldn't be a debate then, would it?