i864 OR i864A

[Dave and Kinnari 31]

That what I had used for my FIL's i864 and I received a checklist letter

Checklist for I-864 (filed by the joint sponsor my father in law)

Supporting Documents missing or incomplete

Part 6 Sponsor's Income and Employment

[x] Name Of Joint Sponsor's income indicated on the I-864 Part 25 does not correspond to that

shown on the most recent tax return and W-2(s).

What box from the w-2 did you use? There are several. Did you use the "Wages, tips and other compensation" box or another one?

Edited August 5, 2011 by Dave and Kinnari

[Ankitc 0]

What box from the w-2 did you use? There are several. Did you use the "Wages, tips and other compensation" box or another one?

Yes that what i have used "Wages, tips and other compensation"

[Navyk 78]

That what I had used for my FIL's i864 and I received a checklist letter

Checklist for I-864 (filed by the joint sponsor my father in law)

Supporting Documents missing or incomplete

Part 6 Sponsor's Income and Employment

[x] Name Of Joint Sponsor's income indicated on the I-864 Part 25 does not correspond to that

shown on the most recent tax return and W-2(s).

Ankitc, if you don't mind, give the following details. We will try to find what could be NVC is looking for.

1. Did you get one RFE or two!
2. Have sent IRS Tax Transcripts or copy Full tax return! If full return, does it contain your MIL's W-2!
3. What amount did you enter in item 23, 24 a, 24 b & 25 (2010, 2009 & 2008)!
4. What is the amount in 1 (Wages, tips...) of your FIL's W-2!

[Dave and Kinnari 31]

Yeah, I am starting to get confused on what I should put there.

I also read on another forum that the person used a joint sponsor and used only 1 of the person's incomes to qualify as the joint sponsor on the joint return and sent no W-2's or anything and was approved...

[Navyk 78]

Yeah, I am starting to get confused on what I should put there.

I also read on another forum that the person used a joint sponsor and used only 1 of the person's incomes to qualify as the joint sponsor on the joint return and sent no W-2's or anything and was approved...

We can't go by that - the affidavit for birth certificate was done wrong (DD/MM became MM/DD and those are just a number apart) and know one noticed it and I got my H-4 back in 1998.

Let's see Ankitc's details to figure out what amounts need to be entered in 24 a.....

[Ankitc 0]

Have sent IRS Tax Transcripts or copy Full tax return! If full return, does it contain your MIL's W-2!

I have sent my FIL's tax transcripts and W-2s of Last three years

What amount did you enter in item 23, 24 a, 24 b & 25 (2010, 2009 & 2008)!

23 : Income from 2010 W2 (His current 2011 Income is higher than 2010)

24a: Same as 23

24b: Blank

25 : "Wages, tips and other compensation" Amount From W-2s

What is the amount in 1 (Wages, tips...) of your FIL's W-2!

38518$

[Navyk 78]

I have sent my FIL's tax transcripts and W-2s of Last three years

23 : Income from 2010 W2 (His current 2011 Income is higher than 2010)

24a: Same as 23

24b: Blank

25 : "Wages, tips and other compensation" Amount From W-2s

38518$

Ankitc, you mentioned above that your FIL entered his wages from his W-2 in Part 25. And you gave that amount to be 38,518.

But based on the information from NVC checklist provided by you (reproduced here belwo for ready reference), NVC has issue with the amount provided in Part 25 only. The amounts given in Part 25 for 2010, 2009 and 2008 did not correspond to the amounts of your FIL W-2.

"Name Of Joint Sponsor's income indicated on the I-864 Part 25 does not correspond to that

shown on the most recent tax return and W-2(s)."

This is where the issue could be - In 1040 amount in "7 Wages..." is not always same as the amount in "37 Adjusted Gross Income". So check your FIL 10140 to see if he has these two different - probably due to Taxable interest or Divident. The AGI is not always same as the Wages from W-2.

Dave, based on Ankitc's example, your father needs to provide his own income in his I-864 and not joint income. To be safe, I would include mother also and submit her I-864A. Why don't you call/ email NVC and inquire! Generally they respond to emails in 2 - 3 days. I will check again this wek-end and try to get a firm answer by Monday.

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Ankitc, you mentioned above that your FIL entered his wages from his W-2 in Part 25. And you gave that amount to be 38,518.

But based on the information from NVC checklist provided by you (reproduced here belwo for ready reference), NVC has issue with the amount provided in Part 25 only. The amounts given in Part 25 for 2010, 2009 and 2008 did not correspond to the amounts of your FIL W-2.

"Name Of Joint Sponsor's income indicated on the I-864 Part 25 does not correspond to that

shown on the most recent tax return and W-2(s)."

This is where the issue could be - In 1040 amount in "7 Wages..." is not always same as the amount in "37 Adjusted Gross Income". So check your FIL 10140 to see if he has these two different - probably due to Taxable interest or Divident. The AGI is not always same as the Wages from W-2.

Dave, based on Ankitc's example, your father needs to provide his own income in his I-864 and not joint income. To be safe, I would include mother also and submit her I-864A. Why don't you call/ email NVC and inquire! Generally they respond to emails in 2 - 3 days. I will check again this wek-end and try to get a firm answer by Monday.

If the FIL filed a 1040, AGI is not the issue. Perhaps the need is to take line 22, total income and subtract MIL's income. If MIL has no income, then all prior years where that is true would also be line 22. It's very difficult to understand what's going on this way. It requires a series of questions to drill down on the right answer.

[Navyk 78]

If the FIL filed a 1040, AGI is not the issue. Perhaps the need is to take line 22, total income and subtract MIL's income. If MIL has no income, then all prior years where that is true would also be line 22. It's very difficult to understand what's going on this way. It requires a series of questions to drill down on the right answer.

Could be and I only based my remarks on the information provided.

I could have been in similar situation requiring a sponsor, had my petition been approved a month earlier, as I started working only from 6/27. I still debated using my father as sponsor (he files jointly) but refrained due to this confusion as that time (Thanks for your help at that time). Fortunately I had good 2008 and 2009 (even though it was for 7 months) and I went to Business school in 2009 and only worked in summer 2010 and has a little less than 125%. So I went on my own, as I have a good 2011 and received 3 pay stubs by the time I filed I-864.

[Dave and Kinnari 31]

If the FIL filed a 1040, AGI is not the issue. Perhaps the need is to take line 22, total income and subtract MIL's income. If MIL has no income, then all prior years where that is true would also be line 22. It's very difficult to understand what's going on this way. It requires a series of questions to drill down on the right answer.

Are schedules included in this line 22 figure?

So are we supposed to break apart the income including the schedules or not?

I understand where they get the total income from but it includes the schedules.

[pushbrk 12,975]

Are schedules included in this line 22 figure?

So are we supposed to break apart the income including the schedules or not?

I understand where they get the total income from but it includes the schedules.

Total income is the figure asked for from a 1040 form. AGI, is the figure asked for from a 1040EZ. Sure, all schedules are included in line 22. So, for example, if you had $40k income from wages and a $5k loss from a part time business, your "income" is $35k.

[Dave and Kinnari 31]

Total income is the figure asked for from a 1040 form. AGI, is the figure asked for from a 1040EZ. Sure, all schedules are included in line 22. So, for example, if you had $40k income from wages and a $5k loss from a part time business, your "income" is $35k.

I am filing a complete return as you suggested but I am just confused as to what to enter for Dad's joint sponsor income from a joint return on the AOS.

So I know to use his W-2 Income. But we have a Schedule B where Mom ad Dad both have a joint bank account with about $2000 in Interest income. Would this be split down the middle or doe they want wages only for the i-864? I read the form instructions twice and it did not clear this up.

Thanks.

[pushbrk 12,975]

I am filing a complete return as you suggested but I am just confused as to what to enter for Dad's joint sponsor income from a joint return on the AOS.

So I know to use his W-2 Income. But we have a Schedule B where Mom ad Dad both have a joint bank account with about $2000 in Interest income. Would this be split down the middle or doe they want wages only for the i-864? I read the form instructions twice and it did not clear this up.

Thanks.

I gave the answer already. Take line 22 and subtract the individual income of the person not acting as sponsor. Alternatively, provide an I-864 from dad and an I-864a from mom.

[Navyk 78]

I am filing a complete return as you suggested but I am just confused as to what to enter for Dad's joint sponsor income from a joint return on the AOS.

So I know to use his W-2 Income. But we have a Schedule B where Mom ad Dad both have a joint bank account with about $2000 in Interest income. Would this be split down the middle or doe they want wages only for the i-864? I read the form instructions twice and it did not clear this up.

Thanks.

Joint account income/s can be allocated to any one individual or can also be split equally - it doesn't matter. Do you have any reasons not to use your mother income also! If you don;t have one, let your mother also join using I-864A else if you have a valid reason, then use all the interest income from joint account to your father and just remove the income of your mother and use it. Let an explanation letter from your dad be attached explaning the same.

[Ankitc 0]

Even though My case is closed at NVC I sent an email from mine and my wife's email add to NVC regarding this issue.

Dear Sir or Madam,

I have filed i864 since I do not make enough to be able to sponsor the principal immigrant My father will going to be a joint/co-sponsor.

I live with my father and he is the head of the household and he also claims me as dependent on his tax returns

My question is, since I live at the same residence as my joint/co sponsor ( My Father ) will he have to fill out i864A or another I-864 ?

2.My dad ( the joint/co-sponsor ) is filling taxes jointly with his wife so in his tax transcript the adjust gross income is combined income of his and his wife And

Because He is filling taxes jointly The amount shown on W-2s and tax transcripts are Different So What amount should he fill in Part 6 of i864 Ques # 25 if he has to fill i864 or Part 1 of i864A Ques # 11 ? Amount from His W2 or Amount from Tax transcript ( Married filing jointly ) ?

After almost 2 days I received reply in my wife's email from NVC

"As this petition is no longer located at the NVC you must resubmit your inquiry or request, and all future correspondence to the U.S. Embassy or Consulate General noted below .......etc"

But I received proper guidance via email And it clarifies almost everything

Dear Sir/Madam:

Your inquiry has been received at the National Visa Center (NVC).

In general, the I-864A is intended for sponsors who are residing at the same address as you and are your relatives.

Question 25 of the I-864, or question 11 on I-864A should always match the adjusted gross income per the most recent tax return regardless if the taxes are filed jointly.

Regards