Preventative health care services for women now covered by Health Care Bill

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I suppose you're ok too with cops doing random blood tests on the side of the road as well without your consent?

Well I don't need to suppose to arrive at the conclusion that you like to draw fanciful, outlandish conclusions between public health issues and a police state.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Well I don't need to suppose to arrive at the conclusion that you like to draw fanciful, outlandish conclusions between public health issues and a police state.

This is actually becoming common here in the states. Forced blood tests on the spot if you are 'suspected' of MAYBE drinking a little and driving. Breathalyzers aren't cutting it anymore they think, so now they'll get a warrant from a judge allowing the cops to take your blood at that moment.... but hey, it's for the "greater good," right?

Edited August 2, 2011 by DJ Kyo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This is actually becoming common here in the states. Forced blood tests on the spot if you are 'suspected' of MAYBE drinking a little and driving. Breathalyzers aren't cutting it anymore they think, so now they'll get a warrant from a judge allowing the cops to take your blood at that moment.... but hey, it's for the "greater good," right?

Well i'd say that's your problem. Don't get pissed up behind the wheel and refuse a breath test.

Still, it's not comparable.

[^_^ 5,021]

This is actually becoming common here in the states. Forced blood tests on the spot if you are 'suspected' of MAYBE drinking a little and driving. Breathalyzers aren't cutting it anymore they think, so now they'll get a warrant from a judge allowing the cops to take your blood at that moment.... but hey, it's for the "greater good," right?

If you're pulled over and you seem inebriated, letting you go without checking your BAC levels is actually quite irresponsible.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Well i'd say that's your problem. Don't get pissed up behind the wheel and refuse a breath test.

Still, it's not comparable.

no no, we're not talking about breath test even being an option. We're talking an actual mandated blood test, on the spot.

If you're pulled over and you seem inebriated, letting you go without checking your BAC levels is actually quite irresponsible.

the precedent in allowing cops to withdraw your blood on command is VERY dangerous.

[웃 910]

If you're pulled over and you seem inebriated, letting you go without checking your BAC levels is actually quite irresponsible.

Hand cuffing him like a criminal, impounding his car, setting up a court date, going to pre-sentencing, doing a pre-sentence investigation, then going back to get sentenced by a judge in a robe, given 1 year monthly reporting probation, $1500 in court costs, $500 minimum in attorney fees, random alcohol/drug tests each month, suspended drivers license for 90 days effective immediately, paying $500 drivers responsibility fees for the next couple years, assigned community service, AA meetings to deal with being an alcoholic, etc. is not the responsible approach imo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

no no, we're not talking about breath test even being an option. We're talking an actual mandated blood test, on the spot.

the precedent in allowing cops to withdraw your blood on command is VERY dangerous.

Why is it any more "dangerous" than being legally obliged to undertake a breathtest?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Why is it any more "dangerous" than being legally obliged to undertake a breathtest?

4th and 5th amendment for starters.

think about it. Having a needle forced into your arm and blood drawn?

Breath tests you can usually refuse, but you get arrested on the spot.

The blood tests are 'no refusal,' which means that they don't give you the choice of just going to jail.

[jundp 191]

This is actually becoming common here in the states. Forced blood tests on the spot if you are 'suspected' of MAYBE drinking a little and driving. Breathalyzers aren't cutting it anymore they think, so now they'll get a warrant from a judge allowing the cops to take your blood at that moment.... but hey, it's for the "greater good," right?

Two things:

1. The fourth amendment allows for a warrant if probable cause is shown. So I don't see how this is breaking the fourth amendment. However, that being said, I am confused about how a judge will grant a warrant 'on the spot' if you are pulled over and suspected of drinking?

2. If you are CHOOSING to drink and drive, then you are susceptible to the laws regarding drinking and driving. Therefore, don't drive while drunk.

ETA: I just looked it up and see that a judge is on-site at the check points, so that answers my question about a warrant.

Edited August 2, 2011 by jundp

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

4th and 5th amendment for starters.

think about it. Having a needle forced into your arm and blood drawn?

Breath tests you can usually refuse, but you get arrested on the spot.

The blood tests are 'no refusal,' which means that they don't give you the choice of just going to jail.

So what? What does it matter if they take your blood or arrest you? It's still a crime to drink and drive is it not?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

So what? What does it matter if they take your blood or arrest you? It's still a crime to drink and drive is it not?

Yeah, i mean who needs 'rights' anymore? We can just do away with innocent until proven guilty. We'll start right out with guilty until proven innocent!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah, i mean who needs 'rights' anymore? We can just do away with innocent until proven guilty. We'll start right out with guilty until proven innocent!

More like 'who needs context'

It has nothing to do with ensuring standards of general public health

[Amby 490]

I'm in the process of getting 'fit tested' for a mask so that I can go into isolation rooms. I just failed the fit test, but will try again next week. If there's not a good seal around the mask, then there's a chance of exposure to TB. It's that contagious.

I know. It's crazy.

[^_^ 5,021]

I know. It's crazy.

If you have bad genes, you deserve to get TB and die.

In fact, God already put gave us universal healthcare. It's called our immune systems.

Anything else is tyranny!

Tylenol=tyranny

[Amby 490]

no no, we're not talking about breath test even being an option. We're talking an actual mandated blood test, on the spot.

the precedent in allowing cops to withdraw your blood on command is VERY dangerous.

They can't draw your blood on the side of the road and if you refuse they have to get a court order. If it's done without consent and/or a court order it's assault.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Amby