Preventative health care services for women now covered by Health Care Bill

[Amby 490]

Not everyone is going to get sick because one person has a virus.

Some will, some won't. Some have better 'genes' than others.

So if I have TB and come in contact with you, maybe even cough in your direction, you won't get it? What if we were sitting on a plane and everyone was breathing the recycled air I breathed/coughed in with my TB. Nobody would get it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Not everyone is going to get sick because one person has a virus.

Some will, some won't. Some have better 'genes' than others.

You sound like you'd be the worst person to end up with in a life-raft when the food ran out.

[jundp 191]

Dude, seriously?

Yes, we are 'global citizens.' We live in a world that is (figuratively) growing smaller and more inter-dependent. We do not exist in a vacuum where our actions only reflect back on ourselves. There's nothing New World Order about it.

Requiring people to have yearly physicals is hardly tramping on their liberty. If those same people want health care (which is a CHOICE), then they have the personal responsibility to partake in preventative health care as active members of the society in which they CHOOSE to live. They can opt to not have health coverage. And thusly, they can avoid taking any preventative health care measures.

You have a skewed view of society. How on earth do you expect to live, interact, work, and sustain yourself in a society in which you don't bear any responsibility at all for others?

FWIW, I have a grasp of constitutional issues, state's rights, federal law, and history. I'm also a member of a website meant for people with SO's from other countries, so the idea of being global citizens shouldn't be a foreign one here (ha! "foreign").

Also: Virginia and Montana are not "two total opposites." Just saying.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Requiring people to have yearly physicals is hardly tramping on their liberty. If those same people want health care (which is a CHOICE), then they have the personal responsibility to partake in preventative health care as active members of the society in which they CHOOSE to live. They can opt to not have health coverage. And thusly, they can avoid taking any preventative health care measures.

You have a skewed view of society. How on earth do you expect to live, interact, work, and sustain yourself in a society in which you don't bear any responsibility at all for others?

on the first point, Obamacare takes that "choice" you are referring to away....

on the second point, I wake up, I go to work, I come home, I obey the rules of the road, i go to the store when i need to, i attend shows/games, etc. when i want to..... In all of my doing that though, I make sure that I don't bother anyone, I keep to myself and whomever I'm with, and we go about our business. We won't interfere with anyone, get in their way, am courteous when need be, etc. All without the help of the government telling me what to do and not to do because that was the way I was raised. I'm a good ole Southern boy at heart who has manners and is respectful in public, which is a lot more than I can say for the half-wit pieces of ####### who have moved into this city in the last decade.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Not everyone is going to get sick because one person has a virus.

Some will, some won't. Some have better 'genes' than others.

But that's not your argument. You're saying that you shouldn't have to pay for preventative health care like vaccinations if you choose not to partake in it. I pointed out that you don't have a choice short of living in your own plastic bubble with your own source of oxygen. It's delusional to think you have choice when you don't.

Edited August 2, 2011 by DFH

[one...two...tree 2,762]

So if I have TB and come in contact with you, maybe even cough in your direction, you won't get it? What if we were sitting on a plane and everyone was breathing the recycled air I breathed/coughed in with my TB. Nobody would get it?

I'm in the process of getting 'fit tested' for a mask so that I can go into isolation rooms. I just failed the fit test, but will try again next week. If there's not a good seal around the mask, then there's a chance of exposure to TB. It's that contagious.

[^_^ 5,021]

I'm a good ole Southern boy at heart who has manners and is respectful in public, which is a lot more than I can say for the half-wit pieces of ####### who have moved into this city in the last decade.

Tell us more about those damn Kalifornicators.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But that's not your argument. You're saying that you shouldn't have to pay for preventative health care like vaccinations if you choose not to partake in it. I pointed out that you don't have a choice short of living in your own plastic bubble with your own source of oxygen. It's delusional to think you have choice when you don't.

Nonsense! If you get the swine flu who has the right to tell you that you should stay home and not go to the store or take the kids to school!

I'm in the process of getting 'fit tested' for a mask so that I can go into isolation rooms. I just failed the fit test, but will try again next week. If there's not a good seal around the mask, then there's a chance of exposure to TB. It's that contagious.

Isn't 1 in 3 people a carrier of TB anyway?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

But that's not your argument. You're saying that you shouldn't have to pay for preventative health care like vaccinations if you choose not to partake in it. I pointed out that you don't have a choice short of living in your own plastic bubble with your own source of oxygen. It's delusional to think you have choice when you don't.

According to who? You?

Do you realize how many people out there ARE NOT vaccinated? A lot more than you realize. A lot more who aren't vaccinated by today's standards anyway. Oregon is a prime example of a state that is VERY lax on vaccinations.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

According to who? You?

Do you realize how many people out there ARE NOT vaccinated? A lot more than you realize. A lot more who aren't vaccinated by today's standards anyway. Oregon is a prime example of a state that is VERY lax on vaccinations.

Whether they are or not is irrelevant. Whether they should be is very relevant.

[jundp 191]

on the first point, Obamacare takes that "choice" you are referring to away....

on the second point, I wake up, I go to work, I come home, I obey the rules of the road, i go to the store when i need to, i attend shows/games, etc. when i want to..... In all of my doing that though, I make sure that I don't bother anyone, I keep to myself and whomever I'm with, and we go about our business. We won't interfere with anyone, get in their way, am courteous when need be, etc. All without the help of the government telling me what to do and not to do because that was the way I was raised. I'm a good ole Southern boy at heart who has manners and is respectful in public, which is a lot more than I can say for the half-wit pieces of ####### who have moved into this city in the last decade.

Whether or not you are "bothering someone" has no bearing on whether or not you are interacting with others and affecting their lives. Having manners or being polite makes no difference. It is naive (or dangerous, depending on the situation) to pretend that the actions we all take have no bearing on others. That isn't NWO. That's life in a society.

"Obamacare" isn't going track down every individual and force them to go to the doctor, get a physical, or wear a implant that shows where each person is every day. What it would do is offer universal health care that many people currently cannot afford. And if they CHOOSE to partake in that universal healthcare, then they MAY have to undergo preventative health care. That is not trampling on their liberty. Because, by choosing to take part in universal health care, they are saying they will follow the 'rules of the road' so to speak.

[^_^ 5,021]

What it would do is offer universal health care that many people currently cannot afford. And if they CHOOSE to partake in that universal healthcare, then they MAY have to undergo preventative health care.

That isn't exactly accurate. PPACA will not insure everyone. It is not "universal". It is expected that many young singles (the so called 'invincibles') will not comply with the individual mandate, opting to pay the penalty to the IRS instead.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Whether or not you are "bothering someone" has no bearing on whether or not you are interacting with others and affecting their lives. Having manners or being polite makes no difference. It is naive (or dangerous, depending on the situation) to pretend that the actions we all take have no bearing on others. That isn't NWO. That's life in a society.

"Obamacare" isn't going track down every individual and force them to go to the doctor, get a physical, or wear a implant that shows where each person is every day. What it would do is offer universal health care that many people currently cannot afford. And if they CHOOSE to partake in that universal healthcare, then they MAY have to undergo preventative health care. That is not trampling on their liberty. Because, by choosing to take part in universal health care, they are saying they will follow the 'rules of the road' so to speak.

Obamacare doesn't provide anything and there is no "choice" anymore. The insurance mandate FORCES everyone to buy health insurance. That is not a choice. That is tyranny.

[^_^ 5,021]

Obamacare doesn't provide anything and there is no "choice" anymore. The insurance mandate FORCES everyone to buy health insurance. That is not a choice. That is tyranny.

You may choose to not comply with the mandate to be insured. You will have to pay a penalty to the IRS instead. That is a choice and it is probably also tyranny

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Whether they are or not is irrelevant. Whether they should be is very relevant.

I suppose you're ok too with cops doing random blood tests on the side of the road as well without your consent?