How to stop fraud in Fiance/Spouse Visas

[jenkatx 52]

Disagree - winners of DV lottery in majority cases do not have any immediate family in the US and DV is their only way to get in. They have to prove appropriate education levels before they are issued the visa, and often times have more than the highschool education required. Not the case with the family based visas.

I understand your point. However, what is more important keeping a nuclear family together or education level? For me it is the family. How sad that some children have to do without one of their parents for YEARS while they wait on their number to come up.

[milimelo 4,541]

I understand your point. However, what is more important keeping a nuclear family together or education level? For me it is the family. How sad that some children have to do without one of their parents for YEARS while they wait on their number to come up.

I'm sorry, but no. These are law mandated 55,000 visas (5000 goes for NACARA - Nicaraguan Adjustment and Central American Relief Act) and you don't get to re-allocate just because nuclear family should be kept together. All 50,000 are used up in each fiscal year and nothing is re-distributed to other categories as this is specifically for DV. We're talking about people who have sufficient or above required level of education (bachelors, masters and even doctorate degrees) and English speaking skills who find jobs pretty much on landing in the US.

On the other hand, I know people who brought family members who end up on means tested benefits within a month of arriving, speak no English and don't even care to learn it, let alone seek gainful employment.

[pushbrk 13,066]

For those who have not, please read the article that Rika60607 posted earlier. I think there are some very valid ideas here. What do you all think of his propsals?

http://www.cis.org/marriagefraud

Also, the article was written by a CO and has some very interesting stories in it.

It's good article and at least it comes from somebody with enough frame of reference to the applicable issues to have many valid points. I don't agree with some of his recommendations but many are very good. Unfortunately, most of the either good or IMO bad recommendations are likely to be implemented anytime soon.

[milimelo 4,541]

It's good article and at least it comes from somebody with enough frame of reference to the applicable issues to have many valid points. I don't agree with some of his recommendations but many are very good. Unfortunately, most of the either good or IMO bad recommendations are likely unlikely to be implemented anytime soon.

fixed for you.

[pushbrk 13,066]

fixed for you.

[Drogs 24]

jenkatx I thought this thread was about Fraud?????????? please tell me if i am wrong

How is getting rid of the DV Lottery going to help? it will just add more positions for fraudulent marriages. if there was a way of reducing the fraud, surely this would make more places available to the married couples that deserve them.

[jenkatx 52]

jenkatx I thought this thread was about Fraud?????????? please tell me if i am wrong

How is getting rid of the DV Lottery going to help? it will just add more positions for fraudulent marriages. if there was a way of reducing the fraud, surely this would make more places available to the married couples that deserve them.

Your right I got off topic, sorry!

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Maybe if real couples had the right to seek compensation if they are wrongfully denied. Nothing make the governement pay more attention than having to pay for their mistakes.

[Ebunoluwa 6,136]

OnMyWayID, I diagree with you on the 4 out of 5. Be it 1 out of 10 or 3 out of 10 or whatever, yes I would agree to a lie detector test if it was read by an outside entity, not a CO with an agenda. COs have lied and I do not trust a warped CO. Many are doing the best they can and are fair, some aren't. We don't know the ratio and to speculate is not a venue to debate from. My petition was not returned, we are currently in AP, a process I don't mind to undergo in a reasonable time frame, I don't yet consider myself a victim of returned petitions but understand clearly the hell couples go through whose petitions were returned.

I don't want the government doing me any favors "saving me" by returning my case because according to your numbers 4 out of 5 have a potential to be fraud. I am responsible and accountable for my actions and choices and analysis of personal dynamics and don't need anyone to do me such favors, neither will I cry and whine to the government about it later. But you will hear me banging on Mr. Gut Feel's door demanding factual evidence. Mr. Gut Feel also clearly has no answer to the question....why the gut feel ?! None. Mr. Gut Feel needs to get busy analysing facts and evidence brought to him to proof a genuine relationship, instead of replying .....am not reading all that,it's too much.

[jenkatx 52]

Couldn't disagree more with your stance. If you want to bring someone over, you must be willing to be accountable for that person. What's cohabitation going to do? Allow the person to stay for a whole year?

We've all seen it a thousand times....couple with red flags and the USC is screaming bloody murder that the gov't is 'STANDING IN THE WAY OF MY RIGHT TO PURSUE HAPPINESS!' then when the scam comes to light, they mistakenly believe it's the gov'ts job to deport their spouse asap.

How to stop fraud? Not gonna happen. Until people stop being so pie-in-the-sky and removing the rose colored glasses, until they understand their SO's country and societal norms, and until they stop really scrutinizing the red flags.

So yeah, it's like salmon swimming upstream.

I think that you are sadly right on many of these points. Particularly knowing the culture of our loved one. It shocks me how some of us have taken no time to research and understand were our SO is from. Not everyone fits into the societal norm but it is a good starting place. At the least it will give one the right questions to ask. On that note a lot of the duty to detect fraud is on us as the petitioner.

I do however believe it is the responsibility of the government to send back someone who is later found out to be fraudulent. On the petitioners dime if required even.

OnMyWayID, I diagree with you on the 4 out of 5. Be it 1 out of 10 or 3 out of 10 or whatever, yes I would agree to a lie detector test if it was read by an outside entity, not a CO with an agenda. COs have lied and I do not trust a warped CO. Many are doing the best they can and are fair, some aren't. We don't know the ratio and to speculate is not a venue to debate from. My petition was not returned, we are currently in AP, a process I don't mind to undergo in a reasonable time frame, I don't yet consider myself a victim of returned petitions but understand clearly the hell couples go through whose petitions were returned.

I don't want the government doing me any favors "saving me" by returning my case because according to your numbers 4 out of 5 have a potential to be fraud. I am responsible and accountable for my actions and choices and analysis of personal dynamics and don't need anyone to do me such favors, neither will I cry and whine to the government about it later. But you will hear me banging on Mr. Gut Feel's door demanding factual evidence. Mr. Gut Feel also clearly has no answer to the question....why the gut feel ?! None. Mr. Gut Feel needs to get busy analysing facts and evidence brought to him to proof a genuine relationship, instead of replying .....am not reading all that,it's too much.

Seconded.

[OnMyWayID 1,489]

OnMyWayID, I disagree with you on the 4 out of 5. Be it 1 out of 10 or 3 out of 10 or whatever, yes I would agree to a lie detector test if it was read by an outside entity, not a CO with an agenda. COs have lied and I do not trust a warped CO. Many are doing the best they can and are fair, some aren't. We don't know the ratio and to speculate is not a venue to debate from. My petition was not returned, we are currently in AP, a process I don't mind to undergo in a reasonable time frame, I don't yet consider myself a victim of returned petitions but understand clearly the hell couples go through whose petitions were returned.

I don't want the government doing me any favors "saving me" by returning my case because according to your numbers 4 out of 5 have a potential to be fraud. I am responsible and accountable for my actions and choices and analysis of personal dynamics and don't need anyone to do me such favors, neither will I cry and whine to the government about it later. But you will hear me banging on Mr. Gut Feel's door demanding factual evidence. Mr. Gut Feel also clearly has no answer to the question....why the gut feel ?! None. Mr. Gut Feel needs to get busy analyzing facts and evidence brought to him to proof a genuine relationship, instead of replying .....am not reading all that,it's too much.

We can go round and round on this forever.... we will just have to agree to disagree..

[pushbrk 13,066]

Maybe if real couples had the right to seek compensation if they are wrongfully denied. Nothing make the governement pay more attention than having to pay for their mistakes.

Why do you want ME to pay for government mistakes? Hint: The "government" has NO money until they take it from somebody else. I am SOMEBODY else and so is everybody you know and don't, love, like, dislike hate or find comical who lives in the USA or is a US Citizen. PLEASE, immigration is a fee for services proposition. You cannot punish the government without punishing all its people including yourself.

[TBoneTX 45,918]

Maybe if real couples had the right to seek compensation if they are wrongfully denied. Nothing make the governement pay more attention than having to pay for their mistakes.

Agree with pushbrk on the compensation part, but the idea of being able to drag some unaccountable COs back to the U.S. in chains for "abuse of a U.S. citizen" has some appeal, if there were a legal avenue therefor. Sadly, the consulates are almost completely untouchable.

[NigeriaorBust 4,087]

Many CO's act as gods because they know there is almost nothing that can be done to them no matter how outlandish their decisions. If they were accountable for their decisions they should be more sane in what they do ( or if they are costing the government too much in lost legal actions they would be reassigned to trash collection ) People that don't have experience in having to work an extra year to bring their SO to the country don't care about the pain this causes they worry about the dollars it costs ( it would be less than a penny per citizen probably ) If we all had the same free pass to bring a bed toy our childrens age visa common from some cultures we wouldn't have this topic going on.

[LoveNigarmostyle 164]

Many CO's act as gods because they know there is almost nothing that can be done to them no matter how outlandish their decisions. If they were accountable for their decisions they should be more sane in what they do ( or if they are costing the government too much in lost legal actions they would be reassigned to trash collection ) People that don't have experience in having to work an extra year to bring their SO to the country don't care about the pain this causes they worry about the dollars it costs ( it would be less than a penny per citizen probably ) If we all had the same free pass to bring a bed toy our childrens age visa common from some cultures we wouldn't have this topic going on.

NigeriaorBust, you are attempting to prove a point, which continuously is being overlooked and ignored. The CO is being allowed to continue to act as "GOD" and rely on his gut feeling, and is being praised for having this complex!

Ultimately, what is being said here is why should everyone pay for an equal opportunity and treatment for all, if they don't directly benefit from these changes!

Also, I love how assumptions are being made about those who have "not been issued" visas. What happened to "innocent until proven guilty"? Did we have a judgment day and I missed it!

We can continue to agree to disagree, but the saddest thing is the problem continues. How do we solve this injustice people???