Muslim fury at pope jihad comments

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Don't you see a problem with protests against a cartoon drawing, while rarely finding a protest against terrorism, by the same people?

Of course. And it's a shame that many interpret this as being evidence of muslims caring more about cartoons than terrorism.

Evidence is additive. So this is just one little piece of the puzzle.

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Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

Edited September 15, 2006 by Gupt

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Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

what if we snuck in a few ppl as "seed" demonstrators... I mean.. it's not like we don't do that here.

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Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

what if we snuck in a few ppl as "seed" demonstrators... I mean.. it's not like we don't do that here.

Ok, your seed just got shot by security forces who work for a government that would much rather pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Now what?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

The other thing that strikes me is why someone would feel anger or outrage at seeing carnage and death on the streets of European or American cities. If you imagine that many people in those countries rarely leave them, or at least that particular area of the world, would someone who is confronted with indiscriminate death on a daily basis really be that shocked and appalled at seeing the same thing taking place on TV in some other country?

We have a luxury of political stability - many of those middle-eastern countries don't. Its also no coincidence that many of the people who terrorists are uneducated and have few prospects. Again you don't see Bin Laden blowing himself up on TV - he gets others to do that.

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

what if we snuck in a few ppl as "seed" demonstrators... I mean.. it's not like we don't do that here.

Ok, your seed just got shot by security forces who work for a government that would much rather pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Now what?

A British guy got shot by the IDF a few years ago for doing something like that.

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Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Exactly. In many Muslim countries, the only large-scale protests that are actually allowed are those that have the tacit approval of the government. Those governments approve demonstrations against cartoons and against the Pope because demonstrating against them is, for them, safe and without risk. Demonstrating against a non-trivial in number section of their own population (religious fanatics), on the other hand, is fraught with risk and therefore is best left undone.

what if we snuck in a few ppl as "seed" demonstrators... I mean.. it's not like we don't do that here.

Ok, your seed just got shot by security forces who work for a government that would much rather pretend the problem doesn't exist.

Now what?

Bummer. But they were peaceful like... so we get it all on tape (maybe re-enact what went down) THEN we get it blasted across the airwaves. it could work.

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The other thing that strikes me is why someone would feel anger or outrage at seeing carnage and death on the streets of European or American cities.

Why would they feel anger and outrage at something some old white guy in Italy dressed in a ** looking robe said?

Why would they feel anger and outrage at something printed in a Danish newspaper with low circulation?

Because both acts insult their religion.

Acts of terror insult their faith too. But that they don't demonstrate. IMO, out of fear.

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A British guy got shot by the IDF a few years ago for doing something like that.

yes. I know. I wouldnt actually condon going against the laws of the land as they are... it is for their own ppl to make such destinctions as a citizen of that country.

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I think terrorists blowing up people in the name of Islam would be giving said religion a worse name than a few cartoons or the Pope's words. That's my point.

I think there's an element of "it's not your right". It's kind of like Hugo Chavez saying Bush is a shitty President, versus me saying he's a shitty President. I'm a citizen of this country, I vote in the elections, I have the right to say Bush is a shitty President. Chavez may have that opinion, but he doesn't have the right to voice it. He's the leader of a nation, it's his duty to look out for his country's best interest, not pick a personal fight with the leader of another.

With the Pope making remarks critical of Islam, muslims are rightfully upset cause the Pope needs to take care of his house first and butt out of someone else's religion.

Now, the cartoon controlversy is another subject and any muslim who got upset shows how weak his faith is. A ###### cartoon is a threat to your faith? Sheesh!

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... the Pope needs to take care of his house first and butt out of someone else's religion.

*smirk*

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This site has quite a bit of interesting information on the islamic developments in the US.

Militant Islam Monitor

Interesting to see kids shout Allah Akbar in the US, considering that is what the terrorists say when carrying out atrocities..

Edited September 15, 2006 by Infidel

[rclouse 0]

This site has quite a bit of interesting information on the islamic developments in the US.

Militant Islam Monitor

Interesting to see kids shout Allah Akbar in the US, considering that is what the terrorists say when carrying out atrocities..

It's also what muslims say when they pray. It's also said at the call to prayer. There's nothing inherently "terrorist" about saying "God is great" in Arabic.

That site doesn't exactly seem to be a bastion of objectivity.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

This site has quite a bit of interesting information on the islamic developments in the US.

Militant Islam Monitor

Interesting to see kids shout Allah Akbar in the US, considering that is what the terrorists say when carrying out atrocities..

It's also what muslims say when they pray. It's also said at the call to prayer. There's nothing inherently "terrorist" about saying "God is great" in Arabic.

That site doesn't exactly seem to be a bastion of objectivity.

Good to see someone posting yet another hate site.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Good to see someone posting yet another hate site.

I'm sure it's already been added to you-know-who's "favorites" list.

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Protest photos:

Edited September 15, 2006 by Gupt