Muslim fury at pope jihad comments

[chri'stina 190]

I think the part about being scared is true. And its understandable. If somebody here said "That Bush what a dough head" and henchmen showed up at his door and hauled him away.. Not too many people would be calling Bush a dough head.

But has anyone admitted that they aren't protesting because they are just scared? Will they admit it?

Saying that you're too scared to protest is admitting that you disagree with the terrorists, which would have essentially the same effect as actually protesting. So, IOW, they're too scared to admit they're scared....

Yes could be true.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

And I thought you were such a staunch proponent of free speech....

I am. I'm not saying they shouldn't be protesting. I'm just noticing what they don't protest.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think the part about being scared is true. And its understandable. If somebody here said "That Bush what a dough head" and henchmen showed up at his door and hauled him away.. Not too many people would be calling Bush a dough head.

But has anyone admitted that they aren't protesting because they are just scared? Will they admit it?

Saying that you're too scared to protest is admitting that you disagree with the terrorists, which would have essentially the same effect as actually protesting. So, IOW, they're too scared to admit they're scared....

Yes could be true.

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

The mistake is in thinking the "muslim world" is a large morass united in Islam. It isn't. There are sectarian tensions and divisions between different tribal groups and nations.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

And I thought you were such a staunch proponent of free speech....

speaking of muslim fury......here she is!

Awwwwwwww if it isn't the ME/NA groupie/stalker again... crying for attention as usual

Hi Charles ! How ya doin' ? *waves*

i enjoy watching the fun and games in there. been quiet for a while lately

how you been? not seen you in ages.

[chri'stina 190]

I think the part about being scared is true. And its understandable. If somebody here said "That Bush what a dough head" and henchmen showed up at his door and hauled him away.. Not too many people would be calling Bush a dough head.

But has anyone admitted that they aren't protesting because they are just scared? Will they admit it?

Saying that you're too scared to protest is admitting that you disagree with the terrorists, which would have essentially the same effect as actually protesting. So, IOW, they're too scared to admit they're scared....

Yes could be true.

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

The mistake is in thinking the "muslim world" is a large morass united in Islam. It isn't. There are sectarian tensions and divisions between different tribal groups and nations.

Ok...but what about in countries that aren't repressive? Maybe they are scared no matter where they are, since borders do not really protect you against terrorists.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think the part about being scared is true. And its understandable. If somebody here said "That Bush what a dough head" and henchmen showed up at his door and hauled him away.. Not too many people would be calling Bush a dough head.

But has anyone admitted that they aren't protesting because they are just scared? Will they admit it?

Saying that you're too scared to protest is admitting that you disagree with the terrorists, which would have essentially the same effect as actually protesting. So, IOW, they're too scared to admit they're scared....

Yes could be true.

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

The mistake is in thinking the "muslim world" is a large morass united in Islam. It isn't. There are sectarian tensions and divisions between different tribal groups and nations.

Ok...but what about in countries that aren't repressive? Maybe they are scared no matter where they are, since borders do not really protect you against terrorists.

Perhaps - but I think there are sectarian issues to consider also. If you live in Turkey, why would you care overmuch about the actions of fundamentalists from other countries. Surely its 'their' problem, not yours.

[Fandango 1,439]

"Where is the outrage..."

That old chestnut again eh?

Not answering the question again.... that ole coconut again?

You've beat around the bush so much, the bush now has a moat.

Best.line.ever

[chri'stina 190]

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

The mistake is in thinking the "muslim world" is a large morass united in Islam. It isn't. There are sectarian tensions and divisions between different tribal groups and nations.

Ok...but what about in countries that aren't repressive? Maybe they are scared no matter where they are, since borders do not really protect you against terrorists.

Perhaps - but I think there are sectarian issues to consider also. If you live in Turkey, why would you care overmuch about the actions of fundamentalists from other countries. Surely its 'their' problem, not yours.

Then they don't mind letting their religion's named be tarnished I guess. It shouldn't matter where you are, if you say you share a religion, and it is getting represented worldwide by something you say is not inline with your religion, you should care whether it's in your country or not, IMO.

[Heracles 417]

Now for my hypothesis as to why things are the way they are. Most Muslims are scared of the fundamentalists in their midst. They dare not protest against something the fundamentalists support.

Why don't they work with the rest of the world to get rid of them?

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

Yes. Yet when someone tries to do something about it the controversy and allegations are thrown around, from the left. Then it is about oil or capitalism or the US's hidden agenda.

PS Does the left really care about helping free someone else? Yes, this sort of help could mean offering your life for the freedom of others.. It is funny how left wing liberals ideology goes out the window at the mere mention of rolling up your sleeves for somebody elses freedom..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Or that certain Middle-Eastern countries are repressive and do not permit free expression of political speech.

The mistake is in thinking the "muslim world" is a large morass united in Islam. It isn't. There are sectarian tensions and divisions between different tribal groups and nations.

Ok...but what about in countries that aren't repressive? Maybe they are scared no matter where they are, since borders do not really protect you against terrorists.

Perhaps - but I think there are sectarian issues to consider also. If you live in Turkey, why would you care overmuch about the actions of fundamentalists from other countries. Surely its 'their' problem, not yours.

Then they don't mind letting their religion's named be tarnished I guess. It shouldn't matter where you are, if you say you share a religion, and it is getting represented worldwide by something you say is not inline with your religion, you should care whether it's in your country or not, IMO.

Really? Then should I feel guilty about all the crimes committed by say "the white race". Why don't we hold black people to account for all the crimes committed by blacks in deprived inner city areas? Perhaps because we recognise that the 'deprivation' is a major contributing factor to a person's outlook and subsequent behaviour.

And no... Islam is not a race, before anyone throws that in... but there is a parallel here.

We are talking about whether or not a large, diverse group of over 1 billion people from many different nations should be held responsible for the actions of a very small number of people.

Explosions, kidnap and murder are commonplace somewhere like Iraq or Afghanistan. In that context - a person wouldn't have to be a fundamentalist to not be overly concerned or surprised by similar acts taking place in a western country (not to mention that they've probably never set foot outside their own country), when this sort of thing is status quo for a good many muslim peoples around the world.

PS Does the left really care about helping free someone else? Yes, this sort of help could mean offering your life for the freedom of others.. It is funny how left wing liberals ideology goes out the window at the mere mention of rolling up your sleeves for somebody elses freedom..

The "left wing liberals" eh...? Bane of civilisation, eh? I guess that would be me. In the passive agressive '3rd person' sense eh

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Really? Then should I feel guilty about all the crimes committed by say "the white race". Why don't we hold black people to account for all the crimes committed by blacks in deprived inner city areas? Perhaps because we recognise that the 'deprivation' is a major contributing factor to a person's outlook and subsequent behaviour.

here's your study guide

link

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Really? Then should I feel guilty about all the crimes committed by say "the white race". Why don't we hold black people to account for all the crimes committed by blacks in deprived inner city areas? Perhaps because we recognise that the 'deprivation' is a major contributing factor to a person's outlook and subsequent behaviour.

here's your study guide

link

I guess there's a lot to go around

[chri'stina 190]

Perhaps - but I think there are sectarian issues to consider also. If you live in Turkey, why would you care overmuch about the actions of fundamentalists from other countries. Surely its 'their' problem, not yours.

Then they don't mind letting their religion's named be tarnished I guess. It shouldn't matter where you are, if you say you share a religion, and it is getting represented worldwide by something you say is not inline with your religion, you should care whether it's in your country or not, IMO.

Really? Then should I feel guilty about all the crimes committed by say "the white race". Why don't we hold black people to account for all the crimes committed by blacks in deprived inner city areas? Perhaps because we recognise that the 'deprivation' is a major contributing factor to a person's outlook and subsequent behaviour.

And no... Islam is not a race, before anyone throws that in... but there is a parallel here.

We are talking about whether or not a large, diverse group of over 1 billion people from many different nations should be held responsible for the actions of a very small number of people.

Explosions, kidnap and murder are commonplace somewhere like Iraq or Afghanistan. In that context - a person wouldn't have to be a fundamentalist to not be overly concerned or surprised by similar acts taking place in a western country (not to mention that they've probably never set foot outside their own country), when this sort of thing is status quo for a good many muslim peoples around the world.

Well I see what you are saying, but these days, terrorism, or whatever you want to call it, is a threat not just in one place. This small group of crazy people are hogging the spot light and claiming to do these things in the name of Islam. So they are projecting an image of Islam around the world, not just in one place. So there should be in my opinion a greater effort by fellow Muslims to protest it. This is not a local issue, this is a worldwide issue. I still think it goes back to being afraid to protest against terrorists, even within western countries.

Don't you see a problem with protests against a cartoon drawing, while rarely finding a protest against terrorism, by the same people?

[Jenn! 918]

Don't you see a problem with protests against a cartoon drawing, while rarely finding a protest against terrorism, by the same people?

Of course. And it's a shame that many interpret this as being evidence of muslims caring more about cartoons than terrorism.

[Risto 0]

And I thought you were such a staunch proponent of free speech....

Here is the “freedom of expression” for some imbeciles

The same ideology devastated Japan during WW2