TOS Violations and Moderator Responses

[Kiwinyc 62]

Is English Ryan H's first language? Is there no room for ANY ambiguity in the language you write here? I think what Nich-Nick wrote is entirely up to interpretation and could be construed both ways, I took it as a warning, not an instruction. The fact that a door was slammed down in her face over something so innocuous is incredibly insulting given her history and generosity in the amount of time she has devoted to the community on here. Her knowledge base is unequaled and VJ has really shot itself in the foot in shutting out a genuinely useful forum member while refusing to acknowledge that an inexperienced Moderator is the one that made the mistake and that he should be apologizing to her, not the other way around.

Those who think she wasn't a valuable asset to the forums is mistaken. She stood out as someone who was unfailingly calm and accurate. She will be sorely missed.

Edited March 21, 2014 by Kiwinyc

[Avery Cates 1,141]

Mistakes can happen, we're all people here.

The question that's going to matter the most to people is, what is now going to be done to rectify it and bring back a valued member?

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Mistakes can happen, we're all people here.

The question that's going to matter the most to people is, what is now going to be done to rectify it and bring back a valued member?

Why doesn't said member come back and make their feelings privately known to moderation? Voice their opinion and point of view? I agree that if this member has had no prior histor then a warning would have been more appropriate. If that is all there was to moderation issues, then leaving because of one incident and a 24 hr suspension is a bit extreme, IMO. Said member should voice her concerns privately and let moderation know how she feels.

[MacUK 983]

Mistakes can happen, we're all people here.

The question that's going to matter the most to people is, what is now going to be done to rectify it and bring back a valued member?

She logs on and acknowledges that she received a warning, that's all that needs to happen. Quite simple really.

It's her decision if she wants to flounce off

[Vanitas 310]

She logs on and acknowledges that she received a warning, that's all that needs to happen. Quite simple really.

It's her decision if she wants to flounce off

Thanks for demeaning someone who has put years into this site. I'll let her know.

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

I think the whole having to accept the warning thing before you can post again needs to be looked at. It happened to me once and I was not happy and did not agree with poor moderating but I was undergoing the process and might have needed the site so I decided to accept the warning. For a user like Nich-Nick who doesn't need the site and only uses it to help others it must be pretty insulting and who can blame anyone for walking away. Respect to the one mod who has broken cover and tried to explain from a mods point of view but what happened to Nich-Nick really sucks as the strength of feeling in here shows.

[Kiwinyc 62]

She logs on and acknowledges that she received a warning, that's all that needs to happen. Quite simple really.

It's her decision if she wants to flounce off

She didn't 'receive a warning' she was blocked immediately.

This sends a message to all VJ contributors that this site has poor Moderation and sees little value in what you put in. I completely understand, after years of the best of intentions, why she feels she doesn't want to stick around anymore after being treated like that. What happened to being innocent until proved guilty?

[MacUK 983]

Thanks for demeaning someone who has put years into this site. I'll let her know.

You'll get vertigo on that high horse.

Let her know what you want, the whole thing's up to her.

All she has to do is acknowledge that she's received a warning, not that she agrees with it.

She didn't 'receive a warning' she was blocked immediately.

This sends a message to all VJ contributors that this site has poor Moderation and sees little value in what you put in. I completely understand, after years of the best of intentions, why she feels she doesn't want to stick around anymore after being treated like that. What happened to being innocent until proved guilty?

Blocked for 24hrs and then everything unblocked after she acknowledges the warning. Quite simple really

[Vanitas 310]

You'll get vertigo on that high horse.

Let her know what you want, the whole thing's up to her.

All she has to do is acknowledge that she's received a warning, not that she agrees with it.

Sorry, who are you again?

Edited March 21, 2014 by Wheatley

[MacUK 983]

Ooh, big words. Whatcha gonna do?

Absolutely nothing, I'm not the one having a hissy fit over something on the internet.

Oooooooh, someone said something bad online.

Go give your head a wobble.

Frankly, the site is run by it's administrators and it's mods.

It's their trainset and their rules, if you don't like it just toddle off and start your own.

Sorry, who are you again?

A random anonymous person of no importance on an internet forum, just like you

[Kiwinyc 62]

You'll get vertigo on that high horse.

Let her know what you want, the whole thing's up to her.

All she has to do is acknowledge that she's received a warning, not that she agrees with it.

Blocked for 24hrs and then everything unblocked after she acknowledges the warning. Quite simple really

Which ASSUMES a wrongdoing and acknowledgement of a 'wrongdoing' before being allowed access again.

It needs to be the other way around - a warning - an opportunity to understand what the transgression was - then a ban if refusal to comply a second time. It should be a learning opportunity, not one where you're treated like child.

An instantaneous ban is Orwellian and is no way to run a community that relies on the voluntary contributions of its members.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Which ASSUMES a wrongdoing and acknowledgement of a 'wrongdoing' before being allowed access again.

It needs to be the other way around - a warning - an opportunity to understand what the transgression was - then a ban if refusal to comply a second time. It should be a learning opportunity, not one where you're treated like child.

An instantaneous ban is Orwellian and is no way to run a community that relies on the voluntary contributions of its members.

Unfortunately, this site is privately owned and not a democracy. They make the rules, we chose whether to stay and follow them.

[Hotter Otter 1,211]

Absolutely nothing, I'm not the one having a hissy fit over something on the internet.

Oooooooh, someone said something bad online.

Go give your head a wobble.

Frankly, the site is run by it's administrators and it's mods.

It's their trainset and their rules, if you don't like it just toddle off and start your own.

A random anonymous person of no importance on an internet forum, just like you

Yes it's their site but the biggest asset of VJ is the experienced members who offer their time and expertise. If they drive off users of the calibre of Nich-Nick and lost at sea then it won't be a site worth visiting by anyone...

[Boiler 45,486]

I remember the post as I was one of the ones who commented on it although as I'm using my phone on here I don't have a 'report' button so that wasn't me.

The OP had been asking about travelling to the US and adjusting. Nich-Nick wrote a lengthy post which appeared to be instructing the OP on what to say and do at POE to get through. Stuff along the lines of you don't want to get to the airport with all your belongings and all the forms filled out in advance.

Maybe it was just badly worded.

So basically she was given a light slap on the wrist and asked to just click a button to acknowledge that she'd received it, not that she agreed with it, just received it?

Personally I fail to see what all the kerfuffle is about. Pride?

Not really, recently I have had many it seems posts deleted by the Mod concerned. Couple of times I have been thread banned. One was totally weird but I could not be arsed to get into it.

I have never even been notified, the only way you know is clicking on the link and getting a message that you are not allowed to access that thread, still get all the subsequent posts.

I have often commented on the lady who turned up at the PoE with lots of luggage, her cats and her life paperwork as something not to do when seeking entry on the VWP. Sounds very much like what she said.

[MacUK 983]

Yes it's their site but the biggest asset of VJ is the experienced members who offer their time and expertise. If they drive off users of the calibre of Nich-Nick and lost at sea then it won't be a site worth visiting by anyone...

It's still their decision to leave, no-one was forced out