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[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Ya they are sick and demented. Tell me if you think some guy giving another dude a rim job isn't f*cked up?

Why are you obsessed with the sexploits of gay men?

Its common knowledge that latent homosexuals overexaggerate their disgust because secretly they find such things arousing.

Hey if you want your kids exposed to that lifestyle than I believe you have problems. I don't like the sh*t, and I don't want it around my family.

Or what?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Why are you obsessed with the sexploits of gay men?

Its common knowledge that latent homosexuals overexaggerate their disgust because secretly they find such things arousing.

Or what?

Save your bs analyzing #######. If you want your kids to be exposed to that lifestyle than I say you have some problems as a parent. I'm not going to promote that #######, and I don't like it when the government promotes it. Again I find it sick and disgusting. Those people have some major serious issues.

[Zero Sum 305]

I haven't ignored anything. I'm pointing out the consequence of history, especially modern history. If anything you've ignored my points on this about today's young adults/current youth being sme of the most racist/bigoted in history due to the effects of this type of legislation.

The fuel is given to bigots when peope are treated as a 'special class.' That's what you're missing here. Things ilke affirmative action sound good on the outside, but they are filled with bigotry and racism by promoting the idea that a certain race or group is sub-par and not good enough to do it on their own. That they need an 'extra push' in the right direction.

By trying to be 'equal' you are at the same time being inequal, and that's where the problem comes in.

A lot of perceived bigots aren't even bigots at all either, they are just sick of certain groups being treated differently or 'special.'

Let me ask you, if a black man and a white man walk into a place and the black man instroduces himself as "Mike, the black guy," how do you think the reaction would be versus him just introducing himself as "Mike." Once you have created the perception of someone being labelled as different, is the moment that society will treat them differently.

You want equality in society? You want perception in society to be equal? Then you need to treat everyone as equal. If John (who's white) invents a new technology, then it's "John invented said item." If Bill (who's black) invents a new technoogy, then it's "Bill invented said item." - It SHOULD NEVER be "Bill who's black invented said technoogy."

If you truly want minimized bigotry/racism in society, then you have a create the perception that no one is different, that no one is inequal. We fail to do this each and every day though. Groups do it to themselves as well and it's why the "Gay community" gets ALOT of flack from people who otherwise might not give a damn. When you're loud and boisterous, and point out that you are indeed different, then don't be shocked when the rest of society treats you are being different.

You may want to open up another thread to discuss things without argumentative gaps.

I am not sure what you're talking about here with 'modern consequences of history'... while I have been fairly consistent in describing at other times that past racial relations have settled to create a modern society with race describing a clear component of the community composition in the society; you focus only on the recent consequences of having a system where race is used as a factor in allowing access to all of society's segments. Is this correct? Do you not see the fault in ignoring historical context here and how an equal access society cannot succeed with its members being the result of history?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Save your bs analyzing #######. If you want your kids to be exposed to that lifestyle than I say you have some problems as a parent. I'm not going to promote that #######, and I don't like it when the government promotes it. Again I find it sick and disgusting. Those people have some major serious issues.

So do you it seems, given your irrational overreaction to something that doesn't affect you.

You can't be that angry about homosexuality without having some closeted issues about it.

[Zero Sum 305]

Save your bs analyzing #######. If you want your kids to be exposed to that lifestyle than I say you have some problems as a parent. I'm not going to promote that #######, and I don't like it when the government promotes it. Again I find it sick and disgusting. Those people have some major serious issues.

Can you share with us the actual law you're whining against though? I am looking for it. Maybe then you can just be a bigot and be happy with calling yourself one. Why be a coward? Then we can discuss your latencies perhaps.

[Zero Sum 305]

OK, got it faster from e-lobbyist:

Putting in quote box to make reading hopefully easier.

BILL NUMBER: SB 48 CHAPTERED

BILL TEXT

CHAPTER 81

FILED WITH SECRETARY OF STATE JULY 14, 2011

APPROVED BY GOVERNOR JULY 13, 2011

PASSED THE SENATE APRIL 14, 2011

PASSED THE ASSEMBLY JULY 5, 2011

AMENDED IN SENATE MARCH 29, 2011

INTRODUCED BY Senator Leno

(Principal coauthor: Senator Kehoe)

(Principal coauthors: Assembly Members Ammiano, Atkins, Gordon,

and Lara)

(Coauthors: Senators Alquist, Hancock, Lowenthal, Pavley, Price,

and Yee)

(Coauthors: Assembly Members Allen, Blumenfield, Fong, Galgiani,

Hayashi, Huffman, Bonnie Lowenthal, Mendoza, Portantino, and Yamada)

DECEMBER 13, 2010

An act to amend Sections 51204.5, 51500, 51501, 60040, and 60044

of the Education Code, relating to instruction.

LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL'S DIGEST

SB 48, Leno. Pupil instruction: prohibition of discriminatory

content.

Existing law requires instruction in social sciences to include a

study of the role and contributions of both men and women and

specified categories of persons to the development of California and

the United States.

This bill would update references to certain categories of persons

and additionally would require instruction in social sciences to

include a study of the role and contributions of lesbian, gay,

bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with disabilities, and

members of other cultural groups, to the development of California

and the United States.

Existing law prohibits instruction or school sponsored activities

that promote a discriminatory bias because of race, sex, color,

creed, handicap, national origin, or ancestry. Existing law prohibits

the State Board of Education and the governing board of any school

district from adopting textbooks or other instructional materials

that contain any matter that reflects adversely upon persons because

of their race, sex, color, creed, handicap, national origin, or

ancestry.

This bill would revise the list of characteristics included in

these provisions by referring to race or ethnicity, gender, religion,

disability, nationality, and sexual orientation, or other

characteristic listed as specified.

Existing law prohibits a governing board of a school district from

adopting instructional materials that contain any matter reflecting

adversely upon persons because of their race, color, creed, national

origin, ancestry, sex, handicap, or occupation, or that contain any

sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda contrary to law.

This bill would revise the list of characteristics included in

this provision to include race or ethnicity, gender, religion,

disability, nationality, sexual orientation, and occupation, or other

characteristic listed as specified.

Existing law requires that when adopting instructional materials

for use in the schools, governing boards of school districts shall

include materials that accurately portray the role and contributions

of culturally and racially diverse groups including Native Americans,

African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, European

Americans, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups to the

total development of California and the United States.

This bill would revise the list of culturally and racially diverse

groups to also include Pacific Islanders, lesbian, gay, bisexual,

and transgender Americans, and persons with disabilities.

Existing law provides that there shall be no discrimination on the

basis of specified characteristics in any operation of alternative

schools or charter schools.

This bill would state the intent of the Legislature that

alternative and charter schools take notice of the provisions of this

bill in light of provisions of existing law that prohibit

discrimination in any aspect of their operation.

This bill also would make other technical, nonsubstantive changes.

THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA DO ENACT AS FOLLOWS:

SECTION 1. Section 51204.5 of the Education Code is amended to

read:

51204.5. Instruction in social sciences shall include the early

history of California and a study of the role and contributions of

both men and women, Native Americans, African Americans, Mexican

Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders, European Americans,

lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender Americans, persons with

disabilities, and members of other ethnic and cultural groups, to the

economic, political, and social development of California and the

United States of America, with particular emphasis on portraying the

role of these groups in contemporary society.

SEC. 2. Section 51500 of the Education Code is amended to read:

51500. A teacher shall not give instruction and a school district

shall not sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias

on the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,

nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic

listed in Section 220.

SEC. 3. Section 51501 of the Education Code is amended to read:

51501. The state board and any governing board shall not adopt

any textbooks or other instructional materials for use in the public

schools that contain any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on

the basis of race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability,

nationality, sexual orientation, or because of a characteristic

listed in Section 220.

SEC. 4. Section 60040 of the Education Code is amended to read:

60040. When adopting instructional materials for use in the

schools, governing boards shall include only instructional materials

which, in their determination, accurately portray the cultural and

racial diversity of our society, including:

(a) The contributions of both men and women in all types of roles,

including professional, vocational, and executive roles.

(b) The role and contributions of Native Americans, African

Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Pacific Islanders,

European Americans, lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender

Americans, persons with disabilities, and members of other ethnic and

cultural groups to the total development of California and the

United States.

© The role and contributions of the entrepreneur and labor in

the total development of California and the United States.

SEC. 5. Section 60044 of the Education Code is amended to read:

60044. A governing board shall not adopt any instructional

materials for use in the schools that, in its determination, contain:

(a) Any matter reflecting adversely upon persons on the basis of

race or ethnicity, gender, religion, disability, nationality, sexual

orientation, occupation, or because of a characteristic listed in

Section 220.

(b) Any sectarian or denominational doctrine or propaganda

contrary to law.

SEC. 6. It is the intent of the Legislature that alternative and

charter schools take notice of the provisions of this act in light of

Section 235 of the Education Code, which prohibits discrimination on

the basis of disability, gender, nationality, race or ethnicity,

religion, sexual orientation, or other specified characteristics in

any aspect of the operation of alternative and charter schools.

So I certainly read this law and can see why a bigot would be angry at its passage.

Hopefully other here will read it too.

Linked from here.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yeah the controversy and hysteria that journalists can create from minor amendments to existing laws

[Danno 1,228]

Of course the question remains, why choose only one unusual sex habit to "teach" children about their contributions?

There are people driven to all kinds of bazaar sexual orientations and life styles.

Certainly these people also have served in the military, gov't and society notably .... why not celebrate their contribution and link it to their bedroom habits?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Sigmund Freud, theorized that people often have the most hateful and negative attitudes towards things they secretly crave, but feel that they shouldn’t have.

If Freud is right, then perhaps men who are the most opposed to male homosexuality have particularly strong homosexual urges for other men.

One study asked

heterosexal men their attitudes toward male homosexuality. Based on these scores, they then divided these men into two groups: men that are homophobic, and men who are not. These men were then shown three, four minute videos. One video depicted straight sex, one depicted lesbian sex and one depicted gay male sex. While this was happening, a device was attached to the male participant’s penises. This device has been found to be triggered by sexual arousal, but not other types of arousal.

Read More: Psychology Today

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You may want to open up another thread to discuss things without argumentative gaps.

I am not sure what you're talking about here with 'modern consequences of history'... while I have been fairly consistent in describing at other times that past racial relations have settled to create a modern society with race describing a clear component of the community composition in the society; you focus only on the recent consequences of having a system where race is used as a factor in allowing access to all of society's segments. Is this correct? Do you not see the fault in ignoring historical context here and how an equal access society cannot succeed with its members being the result of history?

There is not one society that's not ethnocentric that has survived 'diversity' by the American Standard of diversity by pointing out the differences in people, rather than focusing on how they are the same.

[Danno 1,228]

Seriously, health issues alone should have put the brakes on this thing.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Of course the question remains, why choose only one unusual sex habit to "teach" children about their contributions?

There are people driven to all kinds of bazaar sexual orientations and life styles.

Certainly these people also have served in the military, gov't and society notably .... why not celebrate their contribution and link it to their bedroom habits?

Oh please, not that silly red herring again

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If these reports on homophobia and homosexual urges is correct, my guess is that Kip has had on more than one occasion, nocturnal emissions involving himself and another man. Perhaps he's even tasted his own semen for the effect, but for whatever reasons, chooses to suppress his urges. However, given that he seems quite obsessed over homosexuality, there's a possibility of breakthrough. Perhaps he'll embrace his true inner self and have some wonderful lovemaking with another man. I think he might be on the cusp of accepting who he really is and that's a good thing.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why should kids have to learn about a some of sick and demented people?

Because they might like it

[mawilson 2,133]

Because I find it sick and demented.

I find you sick and demented. I think we should ban you.