Opponents of Calif gay history law seek referendum Read more: http://www.adn.com/2011/07/26/1986454/opponents-of-calif-gay-history.html#ixzz1THWjiMn4

[Zero Sum 305]

What do you require for verification that my opinion is based on my interpretation of your posts? Is it animal, vegetable or mineral, based on a mathematical equation or lifted in whole or in part from a legal treatise? I have my opinions, I gave them to you. It's as simple as that.

You state one thing. I ask for you to tell me where I say that- which I do not. Pretty concrete stuff. Should be easy. You refuse. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Not wanting to do so speaks volumes for your shaky reliance on fact in the formulation of such opinions.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I sense a peculiar fascination between these two.

I've explained more than once that I'm fascinated by his hypocrisy and denial.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You state one thing. I ask for you to tell me where I say that- which I do not. Pretty concrete stuff. Should be easy. You refuse. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

Not wanting to do so speaks volumes for your shaky reliance on fact in the formulation of such opinions.

I've copied your posts verbatim as I commented on them. You wrote them, I quoted them and commented. That's pretty standard procedure here. You want more?

Edited July 28, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Zero Sum 305]

I've copied your posts verbatim as I commented on them. You wrote them, I quoted them and commented. That's pretty standard procedure here. You want more?

Yeah I'd like for you to actually do what you just said. Or should we go back a page or two and show you how much you're lying?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yeah I'd like for you to actually do what you just said. Or should we go back a page or two and show you how much you're lying?

Violates Robert's Rules of Order! I ask that the gentleman's words be taken down!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Yeah I'd like for you to actually do what you just said. Or should we go back a page or two and show you how much you're lying?

Real progress would be to go back and have you see how much you're lying.

Edited July 28, 2011 by Sofiyya

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Real progress would be to go back and have you see how much you're lying.

Oh noes! Offsetting penalties!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Let's start with your first post, #7. Please point out to us the kind of tolerance supported here:

Its not really the same way nor is it mandated that AA History be taught, but highlighted, as with other groups. This whole anger over what is mandated or not is stemming from a homophobic reaction to making awareness an option. That said, if the CA gay history law makes teaching of the subject mandated, perhaps don't you think it may have more to do with abolishing purposeful ignorance of the subject rather than inclusion within the curriculum?

If it really was mandated, that Jr have to sit in class being force-fed a gay promotion curriculum, with no option to sit out of said curricular activity, then perhaps there is something structurally wrong in the way the law is executed. Is that the case? Because otherwise this is nothing more than mere shock reaction by known homophobes.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

No reasonable person would see advocacy in this post, right?

Its a path to hell for those bigoted against a society established in equal footing, equal knowledge of history, and equal rationalization of the results of history as something not plastered in the past, but as a part of something living in today's reality. Hence, those long term psychological effects are disturbing on those most opposed to having that egalitarian AMERICAN society they 'claim' they favor. Does this mean all in favor of one society, and only one society? Of course not. I am sure though that detail will be ignored unfortunately.

Society is diverse, as homogenous you may think it is or should be. Within the human society as a whole, there will always be bits and pieces very different from one another, and its time people realize to quit hanging themselves on details that ignore past and present as a way of dealing with their own inadequacies.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

A lesson in how not to be biased?

Can you share the actual law or are you going to continue ranting as a homophobe? I'd support an effort against the law if it was shown that it was merely a gay promotion effort trying to turn heterosexual kids into gays.

Tolerance is not part of that agenda.

I'm not feelin' your idea that tolerance increases our ability to get along.

Just sayin'

Edited July 28, 2011 by Sofiyya

[Zero Sum 305]

Real progress would be to go back and have you see how much you're lying.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/321620-opponents-of-calif-gay-history-law-seek-referendum-read-more-httpwwwadncom201107261986454opponents-of-calif-gay-historyhtml-ixzz1thwjimn4/page__view__findpost__p__4809376

You state my intolerance is against the opposing view of normalism within homosexuality. I do not claim this.

My claim is that I am intolerant of discrimination against homosexuals, as I have presented in the anti-discrimination law passed by the State of CA.

Conclusion: you lie.

I further state my position here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/321620-opponents-of-calif-gay-history-law-seek-referendum-read-more-httpwwwadncom201107261986454opponents-of-calif-gay-historyhtml-ixzz1thwjimn4/page__view__findpost__p__4809387

Tolerance is not the same as promotion. Forget that again?

Then you state:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/321620-opponents-of-calif-gay-history-law-seek-referendum-read-more-httpwwwadncom201107261986454opponents-of-calif-gay-historyhtml-ixzz1thwjimn4/page__view__findpost__p__4809395

To which I clearly address here: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/321620-opponents-of-calif-gay-history-law-seek-referendum-read-more-httpwwwadncom201107261986454opponents-of-calif-gay-historyhtml-ixzz1thwjimn4/page__view__findpost__p__4809409

There is no evidence in this thread or anywhere on this site that I promote homosexuality. Knowing it or not is up to you to prove, as it indicates a level of clairvoyance that at this stage of human perception is a bit improbable. Because the burden of proof rests solely on you, it is 100% probably you will not prove as such.

Conclusion, you lie, once again.

Then you state repeatedly: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/321620-opponents-of-calif-gay-history-law-seek-referendum-read-more-httpwwwadncom201107261986454opponents-of-calif-gay-historyhtml-ixzz1thwjimn4/page__view__findpost__p__4809436

To which you deny making the terms equivalent, yet you accuse me of promoting one thing while I clearly state something. This either shows a lack of understanding of the language, or of dishonesty. And once again putting words of mine where they were not stated.

Be truthful.

[Zero Sum 305]

Let's start with your first post, #7. Please point out to us the kind of tolerance supported here:

Its not really the same way nor is it mandated that AA History be taught, but highlighted, as with other groups. This whole anger over what is mandated or not is stemming from a homophobic reaction to making awareness an option. That said, if the CA gay history law makes teaching of the subject mandated, perhaps don't you think it may have more to do with abolishing purposeful ignorance of the subject rather than inclusion within the curriculum?

If it really was mandated, that Jr have to sit in class being force-fed a gay promotion curriculum, with no option to sit out of said curricular activity, then perhaps there is something structurally wrong in the way the law is executed. Is that the case? Because otherwise this is nothing more than mere shock reaction by known homophobes.

Assuming you noticed, its the actual law I was referring to before having posted the text of the law- which you to this point have not even gotten close to addressing. FAIL.

I guess you're not even reading the post you just quoted very well either...

[Zero Sum 305]

No reasonable person would see advocacy in this post, right?

Its not really helping your case much. If anything, you're coming out as an actual bigot.

And here again:

Its a path to hell for those bigoted against a society established in equal footing, equal knowledge of history, and equal rationalization of the results of history as something not plastered in the past, but as a part of something living in today's reality. Hence, those long term psychological effects are disturbing on those most opposed to having that egalitarian AMERICAN society they 'claim' they favor. Does this mean all in favor of one society, and only one society? Of course not. I am sure though that detail will be ignored unfortunately.

Society is diverse, as homogenous you may think it is or should be. Within the human society as a whole, there will always be bits and pieces very different from one another, and its time people realize to quit hanging themselves on details that ignore past and present as a way of dealing with their own inadequacies.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

You state my intolerance is against the opposing view of normalism within homosexuality. I do not claim this.

You don't have to state it, though you do. More impactful, you act on it.

[Zero Sum 305]

A lesson in how not to be biased?

I'm not feelin' your idea that tolerance increases our ability to get along.

Just sayin'

Can you share the actual law or are you going to continue ranting as a homophobe? I'd support an effort against the law if it was shown that it was merely a gay promotion effort trying to turn heterosexual kids into gays.

Tolerance is not part of that agenda.

Exactly, and if you understood what that meant, it shows I am not actually supporting a gay promotion effort [that doesn't exist].

The law is about prohibiting discrimination. Check into that.

You don't have to state it, though you do. More impactful, you act on it.

Indeed? And what kind of action is this? Since your delusion is now taking on a new dimension?

I bet you're good at reading minds too, huh?