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  1. 1. Abortion Poll

    • I'm against abortion (Let the government decide for everyone)
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To: rika60607

Could you please explain how giving birth and giving baby up for adoption is a win situation for a woman? Then take a step back and try to imagine if there may be ANY cons to that adoption scenario as far as woman is concerned. You can't imagine any? Not surprised. Google pregnancy symptoms. Then google pregnancy complications. Then google postpartum depression. Still don't see any reason why going through pregnancy may be not a good choice for a woman? Google the cost of prenatal care and birth and call you nearest medical insurance provider to find out that a woman CAN NOT get a private insurance if she is already pregnant. Not convinced? Look at pregnancy leave options provided by an average US employer. Read articles about effects of pregnancy on relationships in the marriage (not good, unless both parents wanted that baby a lot).

I will explain and I hope you will explain to me why your only concerned with the woman in this debate. First of all there isn't a perfect answer to this problem, even having a abortion has a bad side to it emotionally. With a adoption the baby gets to live and the woman has the satisfaction of knowing she did the right thing.

As far as the medical cost aspect of this goes I would like to say that we as a society need to pull together and help these woman out. Regardless I think its scary when we start trying to put a price on someones head.

Yes, taking what you consider an immoral choice off the table equals to imposing your morality on others.

If you make it all about the woman then you might have a point. Why is it all about the woman with you?

I am talking about man's right to his testicles. Much as I think that it would be only fare if a rapist lost his, I will not impose my morals on rapists.

You would want him to go to jail correct? Is that not imposing your morals on him??? Who am I to tell him he should be locked up??? Your logic is flawed, we as a collective society have always imposed what we think is morally correct. We tell people on a daily basis what they can and can not do for example rape.

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But the technology existed before 1973. That is what you said right? Its cute how your trying to bring the law into this now.

You appeared to ask why it's "all about the woman". It's all about the woman because she both rights and the ability to make decisions. The fetus does not.

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You appeared to ask why it's "all about the woman". It's all about the woman because she both rights and the ability to make decisions. The fetus does not.

Consider me and other pro-lifers the voice for the unborn baby. And as a voice I would like to say, shame on you all you selfish woman out there.

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It's all about the woman because she both rights and the ability to make decisions

Does a baby in a crib have the ability to make decisions? If you want to just look at this from a legal stand point then legally speaking you are right. I'm here to use the law to change the law. When do you want to address the moral aspect of this?

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Does a baby in a crib have the ability to make decisions? If you want to just look at this from a legal stand point then legally speaking you are right. I'm here to use the law to change the law. When do you want to address the moral aspect of this?

No it doesn't - but a baby in a crib is an autonomous individual that isn't parasitically connected to the mother via an umbilical cord.

A fetus is and it lives only while that connection is maintained.

The fetus doesn't have any rights until it passes through the POE, just like any other new arrival in the US.

Or anywhere else. Abortion isn't an American invention.

Consider me and other pro-lifers the voice for the unborn baby. And as a voice I would like to say, shame on you all you selfish woman out there.

That's a conceit. You aren't the voice for anyone other than yourself and your desires to control the lives of others for your own self-righteous gratification.

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To Simpson.

As it is all about the fetus for you, I did not feel the need to argue for the benefit of the fetus side. Since you are asking, here you go:

Fetuses have high mortality rate. 20-25% estimated within 9 months (that is the natural rate).

Fetuses can't really make a choice. They don't know if they want to live or not. For example, for a fetus with a Down syndrome or blindness, what would they choose, do you know? For a fetus that is to be born or adopted into abusive family, what would they choose? May be you would choose life regardless. I certainly would choose death in the 1st trimester if I knew I were to face a hardship like that. Depends on individual, you see. And since they can't decide, next qualified person is the mother.

Yes, if someone decided to have an abortion in the 3rd trimester on a whim, it is wrong, probably illegal and unfair to the fetus. How often is this done? Probably almost never.

Put a price on someone's head? Not at all. It is simply what you have or not have. If woman has chronic health problems (asthma, diabetes, HIV) and no insurance, it is clear that having a healthy baby without prenatal care is pretty much impossible. If mother does not have the money... that's the end of the game, or it should be.

Rapist should be locked up? But of course. Yet (despite my opinion) I have no rights to determine what should be done with his body (remove his testicles). Equally, I will not support death penalty under any circumstance - I am not arguing for no boundaries. I am just saying that I do not feel the need to dictate what will be done to OTHER'S bodies. YOU DO. I wonder why. You apparently know little about pregnancy and never been pregnant yourself. So what's your qualification to argue for fetus's vs woman's rights?

To: rika60607

I will explain and I hope you will explain to me why your only concerned with the woman in this debate. First of all there isn't a perfect answer to this problem, even having a abortion has a bad side to it emotionally. With a adoption the baby gets to live and the woman has the satisfaction of knowing she did the right thing.

As far as the medical cost aspect of this goes I would like to say that we as a society need to pull together and help these woman out. Regardless I think its scary when we start trying to put a price on someones head.

If you make it all about the woman then you might have a point. Why is it all about the woman with you?

You would want him to go to jail correct? Is that not imposing your morals on him??? Who am I to tell him he should be locked up??? Your logic is flawed, we as a collective society have always imposed what we think is morally correct. We tell people on a daily basis what they can and can not do for example rape.

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The fetus doesn't have any rights until it passes through the POE, just like any other new arrival in the US.

I will assume you noticed the part in my post when I addressed the legal aspect of it.

No it doesn't - but a baby in a crib is an autonomous individual that isn't parasitically connected to the mother via an umbilical cord.

This simple technicality is what you want to hang your hat on??? Good grief, is this the sort of simplicity that goes into all your decisions?

A fetus is and it lives only while that connection is maintained.

So it can live on its own after the cord is cut? All that really changes is location and maybe who will be taking care of the baby.

Or anywhere else. Abortion isn't an American invention.

Nothing gets by you.

That's a conceit. You aren't the voice for anyone other than yourself and your desires to control the lives of others for your own self-righteous gratification.

Well sure I am, your not going to speak for him.

 

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