Fraudulent Marriage vs. Legitimate Divorce (Part II)

[PurrSuede 0]

So some information recently arrived in my mailbox that certainly looks bad from her side, that she's attempting more fraudulent activity, to possibly deceive the USCIS when it comes time for her to try to adjust status

We were divorced in July of 2005, for those unfamiliar with my previous postings.

Apparently in late August, she used her married name and married address (mine) to apply for auto-insurance.

The fact is a few months before the divorce she had even said that she knew "some Russian girls" who would pay a small amount to leave their names on insurance policies and utility bills to use when it came time to adjust status. I wish I had gotten it on my digital voice recorder, basically she offered to pay me a small amount in return for maintaining a fraudulent address and information for her... I basically told her where to go with her "offer"...

She was also being coached by a best RW friend from Denver who also had a fraudulent AOS, who had already left the marriage but somehow cajoled her ex-husband into going ahead and filing for her as though they were living together anyway... and she did get Permanent Status without conditions even though she had waltzed out of the marriage some time before.

So I know she was getting advice about how to "slip out the back, Jack" from various sources... I might even point -that- circumstance out as well, how she was being coached by someone known to have a fraudulent Permanent AOS.

I spoke to the insurance agent and informed them in NO uncertain terms to immediate change the name and address that was on the policy.. the woman said "oh we had TWO addresses on file..." go figure, she also must have been planning this in advance as well...

The insurance agent asked me to mail back to her the paperwork I had received. I told her point-blank: "No, I'm keeping it, because I may need it to supply to the USCIS regarding her fraudulent claim for AOS".

She said "oh, we don't want to get involved in anything like that, that's up to you and the gov't, I'll have the name and address changed on this policy AT ONCE!"

Now I'm interested in knowing if anyone HAS reported an immigrant spouse who is waltzing out of the marriage prior to permanent AOS for fraudulent intent... and if so, what kind of information did you provide, what was the USCIS response, etc. etc.

The bottom line, is ultimately did it matter in ANY way, or did it just keep you focused on all the bad cr*p instead of the good things in your life that remained ahead of you...

Up to now, I've been, "ok, live and let live", but with this information and some other information that has slowly but surely come into my possession, I'm more and more convinced her intent was fraudulent almost from the very beginning... and this wasn't just a simple case of "good marriage gone bad"...

I do very much appreciate one special friend from VJ whom I've been dialoging with privately about these issues, and they know who they are...

But aside from that, I am interested in any feedback, especially from those who truly DID suspect fraudulent intent, and how they went about reporting that to the USCIS and what the ultimate result of their report was...

-- Dan

[Kez/JWolf 6]

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

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Kezzie

[PurrSuede 0]

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

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Kezzie

uh huh... and the office of the USCIS is right across the street from my work office... and I know how to make an INFOPass Appointment...

I'm asking what comes of it, does it just come off like "sour-graping", is there actually anything done, and for that matter... what information they presented to PROVE it...

Because your quote says "...knows directly of someone involved...", and that opens a WHOLE can of worms of "suspecting" vs. PROVING someone's fraudulent INTENT, n'est-ce pas???

And the whole issue of Fraudulent INTENT vs. Legitimate Divorce is ~exactly~ what we are trying to sort out here with this dialog, Kezzie...

-- Dan

[PurrSuede 0]

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

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Kezzie

And uhhhhhhhh Kezzie? In case you didn't bother to read my entire post (the original or Part Deux) I'm also asking anyone who DID report "fraudulent intent" based on a pre-AOS divorce what ~kinds~ of evidence they provided.

I am rather certain the USCIS doesn't want a disgruntled spouse sitting there in the office just b*tchin' and moanin' about what a scumball or sleazebag their ex- was... without any kind of documented proof of their beliefs of a fraudulent INTENT (again, not activity, but INTENT...)

I'm asking those who DID report "suspected" (note: not KNOWN, but ~suspected~ fraudulent intent) what evidence they supplied to the USCIS along with their report.

If you would take the time to read what I've said, I am not asking HOW to contact the USCIS, I am asking for information from those who have done so, based on a pre-AOS divorce... or similar circumstance...

I'm perfectly aware of how to contact the USCIS, I work right across the street from their regional office here in Albuquerque...

-- Dan

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

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Kezzie

And uhhhhhhhh Kezzie? In case you didn't bother to read my entire post (the original or Part Deux) I'm also asking anyone who DID report "fraudulent intent" based on a pre-AOS divorce what ~kinds~ of evidence they provided.

I am rather certain the USCIS doesn't want a disgruntled spouse sitting there in the office just b*tchin' and moanin' about what a scumball or sleazebag their ex- was... without any kind of documented proof of their beliefs of a fraudulent INTENT (again, not activity, but INTENT...)

I'm asking those who DID report "suspected" (note: not KNOWN, but ~suspected~ fraudulent intent) what evidence they supplied to the USCIS along with their report.

If you would take the time to read what I've said, I am not asking HOW to contact the USCIS, I am asking for information from those who have done so, based on a pre-AOS divorce... or similar circumstance...

I'm perfectly aware of how to contact the USCIS, I work right across the street from their regional office here in Albuquerque...

-- Dan

[Yodrak 7]

Dan,

Then why are you posting in the Removing Conditions forum?

Yodrak

So some information recently arrived in my mailbox that certainly looks bad from her side, that she's attempting more fraudulent activity, to possibly deceive the USCIS when it comes time for her to try to adjust status

....

Edited September 14, 2006 by Yodrak

[PurrSuede 0]

Dan,

Then why are you posting in the Removing Conditions forum?

Yodrak

Because this is where my original posting on the topic was, there's several similar topics here, and do we have a "divorce issue" forum yet???

-- Dan

[Yodrak 7]

Dan,

No, no divorce forum yet. But we do have an adjustment of status forum and that seems to be the stage of immigration your wife, or ex-wife, is at based on what you've posted in this thread.

Yodrak

Dan,

Then why are you posting in the Removing Conditions forum?

Yodrak

Because this is where my original posting on the topic was, there's several similar topics here, and do we have a "divorce issue" forum yet???

-- Dan

[Kez/JWolf 6]

Dan thank you for snubbing my recommendation.... I did read all of your post and if you think she is acting fraudulently then it is up to you to report her to ICE If you do or don't does not effect me in anyway I was only giving my opinion... its also up to you to get the proof... so if you don't want peoples advice I suggest you don't post on a public forum....

Kezzie

[ceriserose 1]

I don't have answers for you, but if you feel it's important enough to re-open this topic and then require respondents to know your whole story (i.e. telling Kezzie to read your "Part 1" on it), you might want to provide a link to it for ease.

Just an idea.

[JenT 0]

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

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Kezzie

And uhhhhhhhh Kezzie? In case you didn't bother to read my entire post (the original or Part Deux) I'm also asking anyone who DID report "fraudulent intent" based on a pre-AOS divorce what ~kinds~ of evidence they provided.

I am rather certain the USCIS doesn't want a disgruntled spouse sitting there in the office just b*tchin' and moanin' about what a scumball or sleazebag their ex- was... without any kind of documented proof of their beliefs of a fraudulent INTENT (again, not activity, but INTENT...)

I'm asking those who DID report "suspected" (note: not KNOWN, but ~suspected~ fraudulent intent) what evidence they supplied to the USCIS along with their report.

If you would take the time to read what I've said, I am not asking HOW to contact the USCIS, I am asking for information from those who have done so, based on a pre-AOS divorce... or similar circumstance...

I'm perfectly aware of how to contact the USCIS, I work right across the street from their regional office here in Albuquerque...

-- Dan

if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423.

Taken from the bottom of the forum..... use it..

Kezzie

And uhhhhhhhh Kezzie? In case you didn't bother to read my entire post (the original or Part Deux) I'm also asking anyone who DID report "fraudulent intent" based on a pre-AOS divorce what ~kinds~ of evidence they provided.

I am rather certain the USCIS doesn't want a disgruntled spouse sitting there in the office just b*tchin' and moanin' about what a scumball or sleazebag their ex- was... without any kind of documented proof of their beliefs of a fraudulent INTENT (again, not activity, but INTENT...)

I'm asking those who DID report "suspected" (note: not KNOWN, but ~suspected~ fraudulent intent) what evidence they supplied to the USCIS along with their report.

If you would take the time to read what I've said, I am not asking HOW to contact the USCIS, I am asking for information from those who have done so, based on a pre-AOS divorce... or similar circumstance...

I'm perfectly aware of how to contact the USCIS, I work right across the street from their regional office here in Albuquerque...

-- Dan

Don't use Kezzie as a target for your frustration, Dan. She was just trying to help by suggesting a possible avenue for help. Whether you know for sure, or strongly suspect, I would still report it, tell what you know, and let the USCIS sort it out. I, personally, never paid attention to the option of that phone number, and there are others who might benefit from it by reading this post.

Jen

[diadromous mermaid 36]

Dan,

Then why are you posting in the Removing Conditions forum?

Yodrak

So some information recently arrived in my mailbox that certainly looks bad from her side, that she's attempting more fraudulent activity, to possibly deceive the USCIS when it comes time for her to try to adjust status

....

Well from one pedantic member to perhaps another , removing conditions is an adjustment of status, albeit it's not *the* adjustment of status that we are all more familiar with

Furthermore, the way I read the above post, the illicit activity referred to seems to be an attempt on behalf of the alien to better the chances of removing conditions later, under the waiver provision, isn't it?

So some information recently arrived in my mailbox that certainly looks bad from her side, that she's attempting more fraudulent activity, to possibly deceive the USCIS when it comes time for her to try to adjust status

We were divorced in July of 2005, for those unfamiliar with my previous postings.

Apparently in late August, she used her married name and married address (mine) to apply for auto-insurance.

The fact is a few months before the divorce she had even said that she knew "some Russian girls" who would pay a small amount to leave their names on insurance policies and utility bills to use when it came time to adjust status. I wish I had gotten it on my digital voice recorder, basically she offered to pay me a small amount in return for maintaining a fraudulent address and information for her... I basically told her where to go with her "offer"...

She was also being coached by a best RW friend from Denver who also had a fraudulent AOS, who had already left the marriage but somehow cajoled her ex-husband into going ahead and filing for her as though they were living together anyway... and she did get Permanent Status without conditions even though she had waltzed out of the marriage some time before.

So I know she was getting advice about how to "slip out the back, Jack" from various sources... I might even point -that- circumstance out as well, how she was being coached by someone known to have a fraudulent Permanent AOS.

I spoke to the insurance agent and informed them in NO uncertain terms to immediate change the name and address that was on the policy.. the woman said "oh we had TWO addresses on file..." go figure, she also must have been planning this in advance as well...

The insurance agent asked me to mail back to her the paperwork I had received. I told her point-blank: "No, I'm keeping it, because I may need it to supply to the USCIS regarding her fraudulent claim for AOS".

She said "oh, we don't want to get involved in anything like that, that's up to you and the gov't, I'll have the name and address changed on this policy AT ONCE!"

Now I'm interested in knowing if anyone HAS reported an immigrant spouse who is waltzing out of the marriage prior to permanent AOS for fraudulent intent... and if so, what kind of information did you provide, what was the USCIS response, etc. etc.

The bottom line, is ultimately did it matter in ANY way, or did it just keep you focused on all the bad cr*p instead of the good things in your life that remained ahead of you...

Up to now, I've been, "ok, live and let live", but with this information and some other information that has slowly but surely come into my possession, I'm more and more convinced her intent was fraudulent almost from the very beginning... and this wasn't just a simple case of "good marriage gone bad"...

I do very much appreciate one special friend from VJ whom I've been dialoging with privately about these issues, and they know who they are...

But aside from that, I am interested in any feedback, especially from those who truly DID suspect fraudulent intent, and how they went about reporting that to the USCIS and what the ultimate result of their report was...

-- Dan

Knowing how insurance companies operate, I'd expect for the policy to be changed, regardless of your desires. In fact, it might not be true in all states, but in mine, the insurer won't insure a vehicle as an additional vehicle on a policy unless the vehicle is located at the insured's address. While it is fresh in the agent's mind, why not draft a simple Affidavit that he/she could sign, noting that at this point in time your ex-wife's vehicle was being reported as at the former marital home? Sure would be interesting to see if the alien filed an AR-11. Some don't

Edited September 15, 2006 by diadromous mermaid

[PurrSuede 0]

Dan,

No, no divorce forum yet. But we do have an adjustment of status forum and that seems to be the stage of immigration your wife, or ex-wife, is at based on what you've posted in this thread.

Yodrak

Dan,

Then why are you posting in the Removing Conditions forum?

Yodrak

Because this is where my original posting on the topic was, there's several similar topics here, and do we have a "divorce issue" forum yet???

-- Dan

Because this was Part II to ~this~ thread:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=23285

Which was in the "Removing Conditions on Residency General Discussion" at:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showforum=86

Because as I indicated in the original post I alluded to, she already HAD her conditional AOS so her next step would be REMOVAL of conditions...

And because at the bottom of this page there's a link that shows related posts... as someone else

said: "use it".

I'm sorry if I seem ~totally~ snipped but I just found out my ex- who I thought I was over and done with not only tried to insure her car using her MARRIED name to my HOME address, post-divorce, but I also just discovered she tried to change the mailing address on one of my bank accounts (granted it was a joint account) to her new home address...

That's enough to crisp anyone's cookie for the day, so excuse me if I'm still smouldering around the edges..

-- Dan that I'm really really guy...

[meauxna 15]

While it is fresh in the agent's mind, why not draft a simple Affidavit that he/she could sign, noting that at this point in time your ex-wife's vehicle was being reported as at the former marital home? Sure would be interesting to see if the alien filed an AR-11. Some don't

Oh I love a devious mind...

I always want you on my good side tho, babe.

[PurrSuede 0]

Knowing how insurance companies operate, I'd expect for the policy to be changed, regardless of your desires. In fact, it might not be true in all states, but in mine, the insurer won't insure a vehicle as an additional vehicle on a policy unless the vehicle is located at the insured's address. While it is fresh in the agent's mind, why not draft a simple Affidavit that he/she could sign, noting that at this point in time your ex-wife's vehicle was being reported as at the former marital home? Sure would be interesting to see if the alien filed an AR-11. Some don't

No I -want- the policy changed as she is committing Insurance Fraud trying to insure a car she bought after the divorce in her married name (cheaper rates) at my home address (which she is NOT legally allowed to use post-divorce).

I don't need the affadavit, I received the insurance statement and the "Fiscal Responsibility" Card in the mail showing she had done this.

The agent gave me her supposed NEW address... I tracked down the phone number there, called the woman, I was told she was no longer living ~there~ either, but was nice enough to give me her cell-phone.

I called the insurance agent back, told her she is NOT living at the ~other~ address on the insurance account as well, and that it was up to StateFarm to figure out WHERE she is living and what NEW name she wants to use, but to keep my name and my address OUT of it completely for reasons of credit security as well as prevention of identity theft, much less insurance fraud and liability issues.

Suppose she runs her car, insured supposedly at my address, into a lightpole and the city contacts ME as I'm the property owner on record as to where this car is insured...??

At any rate, that was bad enough but then I got a note from my bank that she tried to change the address on a bank account I had for five years to this new address, where she's not even living to begin with.

Yeah, I'm a bit steamed... I thought I was done with her nonsense when I paid her off... apparently she has more idiocy up her sleeve...

-- Dan

[diadromous mermaid 36]

While it is fresh in the agent's mind, why not draft a simple Affidavit that he/she could sign, noting that at this point in time your ex-wife's vehicle was being reported as at the former marital home? Sure would be interesting to see if the alien filed an AR-11. Some don't

Oh I love a devious mind...

I always want you on my good side tho, babe.

Me too No worries, I am, mo.