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Multiple Citizenship question - US-Italy-Canada

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Eric M Newbie

Eric M   0

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Hello!

I wasn't sure what category of the forum to put this question in so if there is a more appropriate category feel free to move the thread.

Basically, I am a US-born US citizen that recently found out I am able to obtain both Canadian and Italian citizenship through my ancestry. I've had a few bad experiences at the Canadian border and have heard worse stories from others about actually being turned away. So the prospect of rather easily obtaining Canadian citizenship is alluring to me, since it would be nice to never have to worry about getting into Canada and it seems like a wasted opportunity if I don't claim my citizenship.

I read this thread already regarding dual citizenship with Canada and the U.S.: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/topic/285530-dual-citizenship/

What I gathered from that thread (correct me if I'm wrong) is that there are no disadvantages obtaining Canadian citizenship and only advantages and I should run as fast as I can to getting dual citizenship with Canada.

I am interested in obtaining Italian citizenship (eventually) in particular because this would make me an EU citizen as well.

I know less (because of the language barrier) about Italy's policies and if there are any disadvantages to me obtaining Italian citizenship. Furthermore, if I were to successfully have US, Canadian, and Italian citizenship are there any disadvantages to having these three citizenships in either respective country? Are there responsibilities (legal or otherwise) I would have that I wouldn't have had before? I know if one is not American and they obtain U.S. citizenship they have to file tax returns for the U.S. but given that I'm already a U.S. citizen that is not of concern to me.

Thanks for any insights!

Inky Grand Master

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A US citizen has to file taxes on international income. If you moved to Canada you still have to file US taxes.

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Brother Hesekiel Mentor

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Actually, I have 3 passports, although my Swedish one is long expired.

That said, and not knowing your personal situation, but having spent considerable time on the subject of multiple ciitzenships, I think you are mistaken. Jus sanguinis, the legal principle that transfers citizenship via the blood works only for one generation. For that very reason none of us can get a passport to Paradise, although we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, which sadly also makes us the product of incest.

Very often I am encountering people who assume it's easy for them to acquire a second or third citizenship, just because they had a grandparent who was an Italian or Canadian. Unless your mother or your father is a Canadian and/or an Italian citizen, you have no means to obtain citizenship of either country.

But if one of your parent is Italian and one is Canadian, and you are nonetheless a natural-born US citizen, meaning you are one in about a million, then there is no disadvantage in holding those 3 citizenships.

There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all . . . . The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic . . . . There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

President Teddy Roosevelt on Columbus Day 1915

Eric M Newbie

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Actually, I have 3 passports, although my Swedish one is long expired.

That said, and not knowing your personal situation, but having spent considerable time on the subject of multiple ciitzenships, I think you are mistaken. Jus sanguinis, the legal principle that transfers citizenship via the blood works only for one generation. For that very reason none of us can get a passport to Paradise, although we are all descendants of Adam and Eve, which sadly also makes us the product of incest.

Very often I am encountering people who assume it's easy for them to acquire a second or third citizenship, just because they had a grandparent who was an Italian or Canadian. Unless your mother or your father is a Canadian and/or an Italian citizen, you have no means to obtain citizenship of either country.

But if one of your parent is Italian and one is Canadian, and you are nonetheless a natural-born US citizen, meaning you are one in about a million, then there is no disadvantage in holding those 3 citizenships.

Well my mother is Canadian and my great grandfather was Italian at the time of birth of my grandfather, which actually makes me eligible for Italian citizenship. Italy, unlike most countries, actually allows you to go back an unlimited number of generations in Italian ancestry to prove your right of blood. There's some information here: http://www.italiandualcitizenship.com/

That's interesting that you have 3 citizenships and see no disadvantages.

Max1gk Collaborator

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Very often I am encountering people who assume it's easy for them to acquire a second or third citizenship, just because they had a grandparent who was an Italian or Canadian. Unless your mother or your father is a Canadian and/or an Italian citizen, you have no means to obtain citizenship of either country.

That is not true. If someone has Italian grandparents and their parents aren't Italian citizens,granted they weren't once and gave it up (which It's never the case)later on, they're technically eligible to apply for Italian citizenship. I know few who went through that process at the Italian Newark consulate post. There's only a lot of burocracy involved but if others have done it..

http://www.consnewark.esteri.it/Consolato_Newark/Menu/I_Servizi/Per_i_cittadini/Cittadinanza/

Brother Hesekiel Mentor

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Well my mother is Canadian and my great grandfather was Italian at the time of birth of my grandfather, which actually makes me eligible for Italian citizenship. Italy, unlike most countries, actually allows you to go back an unlimited number of generations in Italian ancestry to prove your right of blood. There's some information here: http://www.italiandualcitizenship.com/

That's interesting that you have 3 citizenships and see no disadvantages.

Yes,

I know all that and so much more. There are some other scenarios that I didn't touch because they are so unlikely. I just tried to give a quick answer. I don't know your case, but you do understand that there is a big hurdle to master:

Your great-grandfather did not acquire any other citizenship through naturalization before your grandfather was born.

How do you propose to prove that?

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There is no room in this country for hyphenated Americanism. When I refer to hyphenated Americans, I do not refer to naturalized Americans. Some of the very best Americans I have ever known were naturalized Americans, Americans born abroad. But a hyphenated American is not an American at all . . . . The one absolutely certain way of bringing this nation to ruin, of preventing all possibility of its continuing to be a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of squabbling nationalities, an intricate knot of German-Americans, Irish-Americans, English-Americans, French-Americans, Scandinavian-Americans or Italian-Americans, each preserving its separate nationality, each at heart feeling more sympathy with Europeans of that nationality, than with the other citizens of the American Republic . . . . There is no such thing as a hyphenated American who is a good American. The only man who is a good American is the man who is an American and nothing else.

President Teddy Roosevelt on Columbus Day 1915

 
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