Report: Birth Control and Woman's Health Should Be Fully Covered Under New Health Care Law

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

A health insurance company is NOT a "Health Care Provider."

No shite, Sherlock! It's funny how you keep refuting a point I haven't made.

Here is an explanation of a Hospital Association (hospitals are health care providers, yes?) of how the cost of uncompensated care is recovered. They do exactly - and state so publicly - what you say they do not do. Get it, you're wrong. Try living in the real world for a change. It's not pretty but it's where real life happens.

What is Uncompensated Care?

Uncompensated care is the total amount of health care services, based on full established charges, provided to patients who are either unable or unwilling to pay. Uncompensated care includes both charity care and bad debt, both described in more detail below.

Why is Uncompensated Care Important?

Uncompensated care is important because costs incurred by hospitals in providing this care eventually must be paid by someone. Hospitals are forced to shift these costs to other payers -- typically private insurance companies. This is referred to as the "cost shift".

[Obama 2012 1,714]

No shite, Sherlock! It's funny how you keep refuting a point I haven't made.

Here is an explanation of a Hospital Association (hospitals are health care providers, yes?) of how the cost of uncompensated care is recovered. They do exactly - and state so publicly - what you say they do not do. Get it, you're wrong. Try living in the real world for a change. It's not pretty but it's where real life happens.

What is Uncompensated Care?

Uncompensated care is the total amount of health care services, based on full established charges, provided to patients who are either unable or unwilling to pay. Uncompensated care includes both charity care and bad debt, both described in more detail below.

Why is Uncompensated Care Important?

Uncompensated care is important because costs incurred by hospitals in providing this care eventually must be paid by someone. Hospitals are forced to shift these costs to other payers -- typically private insurance companies. This is referred to as the "cost shift".

and what I'm telling you, and what you are IGNORING is the fact that they may "bill" insurance companies for a certain amount, but the insurance companies tell them to F-off and pay what the cost should be. If you'd pay attention to what I've been saying all along.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

and what I'm telling you, and what you are IGNORING is the fact that they may "bill" insurance companies for a certain amount, but the insurance companies tell them to F-off and pay what the cost should be. If you'd pay attention to what I've been saying all along.

And what I'm telling you is that you need to get it through your skull that you're wrong. Here's what AHIP says on what happens to the cost of uncompensated care - the same story: cost shift to those with private insurance.

It is widely understood that the costs of uncompensated care provided by hospitals gets passed along to families and employers with private insurance.

So, that's Fail II on your part. Want to go for Fail III?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

And what I'm telling you is that you need to get it through your skull that you're wrong. Here's what AHIP says on what happens to the cost of uncompensated care - the same story: cost shift to those with private insurance.

It is widely understood that the costs of uncompensated care provided by hospitals gets passed along to families and employers with private insurance.

So, that's Fail II on your part. Want to go for Fail III?

Yeah, and I doubt AHIP actually sees the insurance side of medical billing statements.

I could draw that conclusion too if I saw the invoices bill by hospitals, doctors, etc. They all look the same. They all look hyper-inflated for various reasons in an attempt to make-up some costs lost in certain areas, or to make money because they can.

However private insurers aren't stupid enough to fall for it and it's why an insurance statement actually shows "bill amount" and a "paid amount" which is a small fraction and more in-line with the actual costs of care, procedures, drugs, etc.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yeah, and I doubt AHIP actually sees the insurance side of medical billing statements.

I could draw that conclusion too if I saw the invoices bill by hospitals, doctors, etc. They all look the same. They all look hyper-inflated for various reasons in an attempt to make-up some costs lost in certain areas, or to make money because they can.

However private insurers aren't stupid enough to fall for it and it's why an insurance statement actually shows "bill amount" and a "paid amount" which is a small fraction and more in-line with the actual costs of care, procedures, drugs, etc.

Alright, you did it. FAIL III.

Recap: Providers say that cost of uncompensated care is shifted to private insurers. Private insurers say that cost of uncompensated care is shifted to them. But none of the two parties involved (providers and insurers) actually know anything about this. Only Paul knows what's really going on. Good Lord.

[Amby 490]

Come on Paul...

Paul is an expert on every topic. You should know that by now.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Alright, you did it. FAIL III.

Recap: Providers say that cost of uncompensated care is shifted to private insurers. Private insurers say that cost of uncompensated care is shifted to them. But none of the two parties involved (providers and insurers) actually know anything about this. Only Paul knows what's really going on. Good Lord.

I work with these types of financial statements on a day to day basis. Trust me, private insurers aren't picking up the slack for anyone. If you really believe that, then as I said, look at an actual PROCESSED insurance claims statement and you'll see for yourself.

As I said, care providers TRY to bill them to private insurers, but the private insureres tell them 'hell no' and only pay actual costs.