Report: Birth Control and Woman's Health Should Be Fully Covered Under New Health Care Law

[dalegg 143]

I think single women should pay extra if they don't take birth control.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

The problem are the fcuking free-riders that consume billions of dollars worth of health care services and then expect others to pick up the bill. That costs me over $1,000.00 a year in additional premiums. I'm tired of supporting the fcuking freeloaders that sit there and whine about loss of freedom while not taking responsibility for themselves. That's why you need a mandate to carry health insurance as long as hospitals are mandated to provide life-saving services regardless of one's ability to pay. No mandate to carry insurance, no mandate on providers to save your fcuking life either.

Nope. Try again.

Your premiums have nothing to do with 'free loaders.'

Cash customers usually pay for those, hate to burst your bubble.

Insurance rates are negotiated rates. It's not as simple as a hospital says, "ok, you pay us $100." It's more like the insurance company is going to come back and say "uhh, actual cost for you is around $15 and we'll give you $10 for labor, so here's $25."

[웃 910]

However when the government is mandating

government mandates certain procedures

That's a really ghey word. I think a ghey created it. Si, man.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

cheaper than paying for their babies

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Nope. Try again.

I know you're great denying anything even remotely resembling reality. That denial doesn't change the reality, however, that the insured pay for the care of the uninsured to the tune of over $1,000.00 a year in additional premiums. I'm tired of paying for the freeloaders.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

There should just be single payer. Its far more efficient anyway.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

There should just be single payer. Its far more efficient anyway.

But this is America, we don't do efficiency. We rather have private industry create red tape and bureaucracy as long as that ensures that consumers get fcuked and ripped off. That's what we like to do in this here country: bend over as our corporate masters dictate.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I know you're great denying anything even remotely resembling reality. That denial doesn't change the reality, however, that the insured pay for the care of the uninsured to the tune of over $1,000.00 a year in additional premiums. I'm tired of paying for the freeloaders.

*sigh* You have no clue how insurance really works in health care do you? I explained it to you in the previous post, but you chose to ignore that part.

You see your premiums going up every year? Guess why -

#1 people in your circle/company are using their health insurance. When you 'use' the insurance, your premiums will always go up. It's the same with auto insurance with the exception of those ones that offer 'accident forgiveness.'

#2 ever changing government regulations on a federal and/or state level that require more items to be covered that someone 'feels' should be covered eventhough 90% of the population will never use it.

Uninsured people are a non-issue to the insured. This is the biggest fabrication of lies that Washington put out there in the debates and a way they 'thought' would reduce premiums, which is a load of ####### in itself, but whatever. It's the cash customers that pay for the uninsured. It's the people who don't pay up front or who don't have insurance that pay over time that pay for the uninsured/those who don't pay. It's the hospitals who a large portion of those times write-off those costs because they know there's no way to actually re-coup them except to the gullible people who will pay it.

Look at an insurance payout sheet and you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. You'll see the $20 charge for a bowl of yogurt charged by the hospital get slapped down to $2 by the insurance company because there's no way in hell they are going to pay for BS like that.

Health Care and Health Insurance are two COMPLETELY different industries and the fact that Washington has done everything is has to correlate the two is completely dishonest and a sham against the American people. It causes everyone to ignore the actual COST of health care while blaming the insurance companies for something they have no part in. There are a multitude of reasons why health care costs are so damn high, but private insurance is not one of them. The only 'insurance' that contributes to the higher costs of health care by a small fraction is medicare and medicaid because of their lacking in payouts. Other than that, insurance is no where near the problem.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

*sigh* You have no clue how insurance really works in health care do you? I explained it to you in the previous post, but you chose to ignore that part.

You explained it to me? Should I feel priviledged in some way for having received your explanation however inaccurate it was?

There was actual research done on the issue that detailed quite clearly that some $43BN worth of health care cost delivered to people w/o insurance went unpaid by the receivers and was shifted to the insured resulting in higher premiums.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

You explained it to me? Should I feel priviledged in some way for having received your explanation however inaccurate it was?

There was actual research done on the issue that detailed quite clearly that some $43BN worth of health care cost delivered to people w/o insurance went unpaid by the receivers and was shifted to the insured resulting in higher premiums.

I would love to see who did the research and what insurance company they did the research on. Because it's quite frankly very false information, unless some moronic small-time insurance company was paying bloated health care costs. I guarantee you it wasn't any of the big dogs out there. As I said, look at an insurance payout statement. It just doesn't happen.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Come on Paul...

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Come on Paul...

Come on what?

Seriously, I'd like to know what the study group was, because it's a bunch of balogna. Insurance payout statements say otherwise. It's those who pay cash and pay over time that end up biting the bullet and most hospitals end up writing a lot of the non-payments off unless they know for sure that they can collect it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It's a bunch of ####### because you say so. Convincing.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

It's a bunch of ####### because you say so. Convincing.

Exactly. He's essentially saying that health care providers do not know how they recover the cost of care provided to deadbeats.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Exactly. He's essentially saying that health care providers do not know how they recover the cost of care provided to deadbeats.

A health insurance company is NOT a "Health Care Provider."

It's not insurance companies who 'deadbeats' cost. It's the providers themselves. One company is not going to pay another company's bills for them. As I said, look at actual claim statements and what's actually paid out.

What you're saying and what's actually being done are two very different things.