Evidence of Relationship Documents

[diamondeve21 0]

Hi everyone! I have a question for those who already had an interview or will be having an interview at Guangzhou.

My husband have his interview coming up on July 12th with the11th being the document drop off day.

Previously, I always assumed that we can drop off all our evidence of relationship documents (phone records, chat records, email, letters, receipts of hotel stays and vacations etc... ) during the document drop off day so that the VO can look at it prior the interview.

However, I was just asking someone and they had told me that the embassy has a new policy and that they no longer accept any EORs during the document intake day. If we did the electronic processing, they will only take in all the necessary documents (original DS 230, I-864, taxes etc...) during the document intake day and we should bring the EOR docs to the interview day? I was also told that I should make copies of the EOR just incase the embassy want to keep any of the evidence.

Is this true? If so, when should we submit them? In the beginning of the interview or when they ask for it? I have 4 lbs worth of EORs and the interview is only couple of minutes. What if the VO doesn't even look through everything and just denies my husband? I am worried...

Any help is apprecited! Thanks everyone!

[Casprd 167]

That's correct. On document drop off day, you will pass over the financial paperwork. There has been a lot of confusion lately about the DS-230. My wife and many others were never asked for the original. Not sure if they have them sign a copy during the document drop off or not, but the consulate assured me that everything was good and my wife's visa was ready in two days.

As for the evidence, the VO will ask for it. You can have the EOR letter ready on the top of the stack of everything and give it to them when asked. Some people have tried to give it to the VO only to have it passed back. You did to an Evolution of Relationship letter I hope In our case, that and the photos were the only thing the VO wanted to see as the chat records and other things were included in the original packet to USCIS.

Don't count on the interview being only a couple of minutes. Most are 15 or so and one VO is notorious for the interviews being 30 to 45 minutes even though he only asks a few questions. Chances are they won't look at the bulk of the evidence but still better to have all of this and copies of all the forms submitted, bank statements, travel receipts and everything else just in case. Lugging several pounds of documents is a small price to pay if it can help at all.

[diamondeve21 0]

That's correct. On document drop off day, you will pass over the financial paperwork. There has been a lot of confusion lately about the DS-230. My wife and many others were never asked for the original. Not sure if they have them sign a copy during the document drop off or not, but the consulate assured me that everything was good and my wife's visa was ready in two days.

As for the evidence, the VO will ask for it. You can have the EOR letter ready on the top of the stack of everything and give it to them when asked. Some people have tried to give it to the VO only to have it passed back. You did to an Evolution of Relationship letter I hope In our case, that and the photos were the only thing the VO wanted to see as the chat records and other things were included in the original packet to USCIS.

Don't count on the interview being only a couple of minutes. Most are 15 or so and one VO is notorious for the interviews being 30 to 45 minutes even though he only asks a few questions. Chances are they won't look at the bulk of the evidence but still better to have all of this and copies of all the forms submitted, bank statements, travel receipts and everything else just in case. Lugging several pounds of documents is a small price to pay if it can help at all.

Oh man… I guess I simplified everything!

So I just spoke with my attorney and they said they put all the legal documents into a packet and also left a section at the end to attach all the supplemental evidence. They said all my husband have to do is to hole punch the evidence and put it in…. Can he even purchase hole punchers in China?

So lets say we send everything in as a “packet”… will they accept it or will they make us take it apart and only give them what they need? I wish I submitted more during the NVC stage but my lawyer told me not to after I spent long hours preparing everything!!! They said it will slow my case down and I should just follow directions and submit everything at the end.

I have yet not written a letter but I do plan on writing one before my husband’s interview. If so, should I have him give it to the VO during the interview?

I wonder if there is a lot of variance in terms of Visa passing rates among each VO? You had said there is this one VO who interviews for 30-40 minutes? Oh man that’s going to scare my husband.

[Darnell 8,478]

sending everything in a packet? oh my.

figure about 1.5 inches thick for the slide through window - if it's more thick than that, he'll have to deconstruct it.

USUALLY people have folders seperated by thing:

1. relationship evidence to show trip iternaries, trip receipts, financial receipts

2. photos of the two of you together

3. IM chat logs

4. Telephone bills

re: Evolution of Relationship letter - try to hand that to the VO within the first 30 seconds of being at the counter. Here's my example: http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=260331&view=findpost&p=3995116 feel free to tailor it to your needs. IMO, that EOR is a living document - one version sent off with I-130 submittal, another version sent in with the DS-230 submittal (although this is a topic for much discussion and argument) and a 3rd, up to date current version on interview day.

Edited July 6, 2011 by Darnell

[diamondeve21 0]

sending everything in a packet? oh my.

figure about 1.5 inches thick for the slide through window - if it's more thick than that, he'll have to deconstruct it.

USUALLY people have folders seperated by thing:

1. relationship evidence to show trip iternaries, trip receipts, financial receipts

2. photos of the two of you together

3. IM chat logs

4. Telephone bills

re: Evolution of Relationship letter - try to hand that to the VO within the first 30 seconds of being at the counter. Here's my example: http://www.visajourn...dpost&p=3995116 feel free to tailor it to your needs. IMO, that EOR is a living document - one version sent off with I-130 submittal, another version sent in with the DS-230 submittal (although this is a topic for much discussion and argument) and a 3rd, up to date current version on interview day.

Its definitely thicker than 1.5 inches! I mailed him 4.1 lbs of relationship evidence and lawyers mailed him a 2 lbs packet. I haven't seen the packet yet so I do not know what it looks like. She did say she cliped it together with prong fasteners so my husband can easily attach our relationship documents to it. All of the required papers are separated with dividers and there is a section at the end for all the relationship evidence. I am also having him developing at least 100 pictures to bring to the interview and I will also write a EOR letter!

I am just worried that the VO might hand over the blue without even look over anything. I read that some of the VOs already made decisions in their heads even before interviewing the beneficiary. This is what scares me because we only submited few documents at the USCIS stage and none at the NVC stage.

[Darnell 8,478]

much of 'this' is predetermined prior to the actual interview, in most cases the interview is a formality, in other cases, based on background checks, the interview shifts to something else, the VO will ask a different set of questions.

I think you'll be ok, in general terms,

just suggest to your husband to split what he receives, into FOLDERS as I've described, without the punch hole tongs/fasteners.

FWIW, this 'attorney bundling process' sounds exactly like the bundling done for the I-130 submittal into USCIS, with the punching of holes and putting into a binder with tongs/fasteners. It's just not done, for GUZ IV - was this his first China Case?

Edited July 7, 2011 by Darnell

[diamondeve21 0]

much of 'this' is predetermined prior to the actual interview, in most cases the interview is a formality, in other cases, based on background checks, the interview shifts to something else, the VO will ask a different set of questions.

I think you'll be ok, in general terms,

just suggest to your husband to split what he receives, into FOLDERS as I've described, without the punch hole tongs/fasteners.

FWIW, this 'attorney bundling process' sounds exactly like the bundling done for the I-130 submittal into USCIS, with the punching of holes and putting into a binder with tongs/fasteners. It's just not done, for GUZ IV - was this his first China Case?

No this is not the lawyer's first China case. The reason why I thought a packet would be better is because since you can't take it apart, they would have to accept the whole thing... I don't know.. I am pretty worried because we did not frontload anything...

[Robby999 1,024]

This is the opening the package must fit through!

Edited July 8, 2011 by Robby999

[diamondeve21 0]

There is a more serious issue right now! The package that the lawyers sent won't be delivered until Monday! His interview is on Monday!!! OMGGGGGGGGGGG I HATE MY LAYWER!!!

[diamondeve21 0]

This is the opening the package must fit through!

Wow!!! That is an awesome picture!!! Thanks a lot!!! Now, I don't evenknow if my husband can even go to an interview because he did not receive thedocuments that the lawyers sent! I guess due to adverse weather conditions inBeijing, the package won't arrive until Monday BUT his document drop off day ison Monday!!! So I am looking into possibly rescheduling the interview...

I HATE MY LAWYER!!! HATE HATE HATE!!!

[Darnell 8,478]

No this is not the lawyer's first China case. The reason why I thought a packet would be better is because since you can't take it apart, they would have to accept the whole thing... I don't know.. I am pretty worried because we did not frontload anything...

No, on interview day they ASK for stuff, is not concept of 'hand over entire packet'

HE must be ready to hand over stuff that's in the evidence pile, quickly.

Fasteners and Tongs make it difficult to get to things quickly, the counter space is minimal, he can't just lay out the folder, and get to it, is not enough desk depth.

There is a more serious issue right now! The package that the lawyers sent won't be delivered until Monday! His interview is on Monday!!! OMGGGGGGGGGGG I HATE MY LAYWER!!!

Wow. EeKkKk.

to reschedule, must email GUZ IV VIA THEIR WEB PORTAL - you have the url?

[sichuan red 5]

Go here and send the email request to reschedule the interview. GUZ contact form

[diamondeve21 0]

No, on interview day they ASK for stuff, is not concept of 'hand over entire packet'

HE must be ready to hand over stuff that's in the evidence pile, quickly.

Fasteners and Tongs make it difficult to get to things quickly, the counter space is minimal, he can't just lay out the folder, and get to it, is not enough desk depth.

Wow. EeKkKk.

to reschedule, must email GUZ IV VIA THEIR WEB PORTAL - you have the url?

Yes I understand... My husband just got to Guangzhou today and we'll probably sort things out later. I really hope he passes! I hope not front loading the I130 won't be a killer. What do you think? So lets say the VO had a denial in mind, do you think seeing all this paper work not would change his mind? Man I am soooooooo worried.

Go here and send the email request to reschedule the interview. GUZ contact form

Thanks a lot for the website! So my husband was able to pick up the package from UPS. At first they won't let him pick it up because their rule is they must make one delivery attempt before pickup is allowed. My husband called numerous ppl and spoke to managers and explained the situation and finally they allowed him to go to Beijing to pick it up. He's in Tianjin.

Edited July 10, 2011 by diamondeve21

[Darnell 8,478]

so he's got the hole-punched packet from the attorney. great !

[diamondeve21 0]

so he's got the hole-punched packet from the attorney. great !

Yea... Now, he just gotta organize everything and turn it in. We were just on the phone for 2 hrs trying to sort everything out so hopefully everything will be okay. He will be turning everything in in less than 10hrs...

I have a question for you though. My co-sponser makes barely enough above the poverty line (1K above). Do you think this would be a huge problem? For the previous two yrs, hes made 8K above the poverty line but last year, he was out of job for a while which is why he is cutting it close. I also have around 20K worth of savings in the bank and I am hoping they will consider that as well.