Jump to content

80 posts in this topic

Recommended Posts

Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Canada
Timeline
Posted

Unfortunately gay rights been left by the road side and needs to be changed in order for the system to work for everyone equally. I do agree with you. :star:

I love it when people falsely use the term "rights" when involving the term "gay." It's quite amusing.

"Gays" already have the same "rights" as everyone else.

Marriage is a behavior. Smoking is a behavior. Drinking is a behavior. All of these things are regulated accordingly. You have no "right" to them, though there's one resident expert here who seems to think that marriage is a "right." Eventhough on Federal level, there is no such right.

My point is, is that "Gays" want to be treated equally. They aren't fighting for "rights" like Black men and Women had to fight for their "rights."

Equating the two is disgusting to be quite honest and a disservice to those who had a REAL battle to be fought.

If you need the Government to recognize your union with your partner to be happy, if you need it to feel like your relationship is "special" then that's utterly pathetic and your relationship isn't about "love" at all.

I don't care if you want to hump and marry a donkey. I don't care honestly. However don't act like that there's some great force in the world that makes it that your "rights" are being violated in not being allowed to do so.

The litmus test is the fact that we rely on Government to DICTATE the social benefits we can and cannot receive based on the status of a document we hold with them. That is and always has been the problem. Now so long as government offers a social benefit to couples, then those benefits should be non-discriminatory in their nature. However just because a benefit is there, don't confuse that with a "right." They are not one in the same. A "right" is something that can technically never be taken away under normal circumstances. Marraige can be taken away in a heartbeat in the role of government, therefore it is in no way a right, just like smoking and drinking are not a right.

Ranting yes... just "Gay Rights" is an irritating and irrational term.

nfrsig.jpg

The Great Canadian to Texas Transfer Timeline:

2/22/2010 - I-129F Packet Mailed

2/24/2010 - Packet Delivered to VSC

2/26/2010 - VSC Cashed Filing Fee

3/04/2010 - NOA1 Received!

8/14/2010 - Touched!

10/04/2010 - NOA2 Received!

10/25/2010 - Packet 3 Received!

02/07/2011 - Medical!

03/15/2011 - Interview in Montreal! - Approved!!!

Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: Spain
Timeline
Posted

Its disgusting to you Paul. Please learn to differentiate what your personal opinion is from what constitutes fact. When gays have equal legal rights as heterosexuals, there will be no need for them to seek anything.

Filed: Country: Germany
Timeline
Posted

My point is, is that "Gays" want to be treated equally. They aren't fighting for "rights" like Black men and Women had to fight for their "rights."

Equating the two is disgusting to be quite honest and a disservice to those who had a REAL battle to be fought.

If you need the Government to recognize your union with your partner to be happy, if you need it to feel like your relationship is "special" then that's utterly pathetic and your relationship isn't about "love" at all.

What's with the overuse of quotation marks?!

I think the point is that homosexuals do not need the government to recognize their union to be "happy," but rather without governmental recognition of their union, same sex partners do not have access to certain benefits available to heterosexual couples. There are many businesses that offer medical insurance to same sex spouses, even in places where same sex unions aren't recognized, but they are few and far between. Many same sex couples who have been together for decades don't have the right to inherit money, make medical decisions -- even down to visiting his or her SO in the hospital because they aren't considered "next of kin." That is appalling.

But, back to the OP: Immigration laws should be changed for many reasons and same sex unions are just one more reason to add to the list. roughly 34 countries in the world either perform or recognize some form of same sex union. It's a shame that we don't extend immigration benefits to same sex couples here in the US.

In this particular case, I totally agree that if the couple married AFTER deportation proceedings were in place, then the marriage should be seen as fraudulent as far as immigration. I would say the same if it was a heterosexual couple.

Ranting yes... just "Gay Rights" is an irritating and irrational term.

Also, I respect your opinion that gay rights is an irritating term, but what exactly makes it an irrational term?

____________________________________

Done with USCIS until 12/28/2020!

penguinpasscanada.jpg

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" ~Gandhi

Posted

What's with the overuse of quotation marks?!

I think the point is that homosexuals do not need the government to recognize their union to be "happy," but rather without governmental recognition of their union, same sex partners do not have access to certain benefits available to heterosexual couples. There are many businesses that offer medical insurance to same sex spouses, even in places where same sex unions aren't recognized, but they are few and far between. Many same sex couples who have been together for decades don't have the right to inherit money, make medical decisions -- even down to visiting his or her SO in the hospital because they aren't considered "next of kin." That is appalling.

But, back to the OP: Immigration laws should be changed for many reasons and same sex unions are just one more reason to add to the list. roughly 34 countries in the world either perform or recognize some form of same sex union. It's a shame that we don't extend immigration benefits to same sex couples here in the US.

In this particular case, I totally agree that if the couple married AFTER deportation proceedings were in place, then the marriage should be seen as fraudulent as far as immigration. I would say the same if it was a heterosexual couple.

Also, I respect your opinion that gay rights is an irritating term, but what exactly makes it an irrational term?

Then let them immigrate to one of those 34 other country's.

sigbet.jpg

"I want to take this opportunity to mention how thankful I am for an Obama re-election. The choice was clear. We cannot live in a country that treats homosexuals and women as second class citizens. Homosexuals deserve all of the rights and benefits of marriage that heterosexuals receive. Women deserve to be treated with respect and their salaries should not depend on their gender, but their quality of work. I am also thankful that the great, progressive state of California once again voted for the correct President. America is moving forward, and the direction is a positive one."

Filed: Country: Germany
Timeline
Posted

Then let them immigrate to one of those 34 other country's.

The United States is included in my count of 34-ish countries, as same sex unions are performed and recognized in 11 states, with two other states recognizing the unions performed in those 11 states. As well there are about a dozen other states where same sex unions are a real possibility in the next decade.

I don't imagine it will be too long before same sex unions are legal and recognized throughout the US.

Also, the DOMA is a piece of ####### legislation -- but that's totally OT.

____________________________________

Done with USCIS until 12/28/2020!

penguinpasscanada.jpg

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" ~Gandhi

Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Canada
Timeline
Posted

What's with the overuse of quotation marks?!

"Gay" because they are homosexuals, not "Gay." - I know quite a few depressed homosexuals.

"Rights" because it's silly to call them rights as I said.

It's irrational because they sit and compare themselves to blacks, women, etc. when their struggles are no where near the same.

nfrsig.jpg

The Great Canadian to Texas Transfer Timeline:

2/22/2010 - I-129F Packet Mailed

2/24/2010 - Packet Delivered to VSC

2/26/2010 - VSC Cashed Filing Fee

3/04/2010 - NOA1 Received!

8/14/2010 - Touched!

10/04/2010 - NOA2 Received!

10/25/2010 - Packet 3 Received!

02/07/2011 - Medical!

03/15/2011 - Interview in Montreal! - Approved!!!

Filed: AOS (pnd) Country: Canada
Timeline
Posted

It will be legal in the United States in your lifetime. You will have to learn to deal with it, you don't have to like it.

for it to be legal in the entire US during our lifetime, it would take a complete stomping of state's rights and a

lot of changes in Federal law.

I'll remind everyone, there is no such thing as "marriage" on a federal level to this date and there hasn't been ever.

nfrsig.jpg

The Great Canadian to Texas Transfer Timeline:

2/22/2010 - I-129F Packet Mailed

2/24/2010 - Packet Delivered to VSC

2/26/2010 - VSC Cashed Filing Fee

3/04/2010 - NOA1 Received!

8/14/2010 - Touched!

10/04/2010 - NOA2 Received!

10/25/2010 - Packet 3 Received!

02/07/2011 - Medical!

03/15/2011 - Interview in Montreal! - Approved!!!

Filed: Country: Germany
Timeline
Posted

"Gay" because they are homosexuals, not "Gay." - I know quite a few depressed homosexuals.

"Rights" because it's silly to call them rights as I said.

It's irrational because they sit and compare themselves to blacks, women, etc. when their struggles are no where near the same.

Oh, got it. Your post reminded me of the "Friends" episode in which Joey misunderstands the use of air quotes. :lol:

Color me crazy, but I'm lost as to why you say they aren't "rights"? I mean, there was quite a bit more to my post than just the question about quotation marks, but you didn't address any of the other points. I'm truly curious as to your POV about what I had to say. I definitely don't agree with you, but that doesn't mean I can't have a discussion with you about it.

____________________________________

Done with USCIS until 12/28/2020!

penguinpasscanada.jpg

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" ~Gandhi

Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: Spain
Timeline
Posted

for it to be legal in the entire US during our lifetime, it would take a complete stomping of state's rights and a

lot of changes in Federal law.

I'll remind everyone, there is no such thing as "marriage" on a federal level to this date and there hasn't been ever.

Therefore DOMA is meaningless and should not be hard to do away with. Then the States could work on providing equal marriage rights to homosexuals as they currently provide to heterosexuals. Everyone wins except the bigots.

Filed: Country: Germany
Timeline
Posted

Therefore DOMA is meaningless and should not be hard to do away with. Then the States could work on providing equal marriage rights to homosexuals as they currently provide to heterosexuals. Everyone wins except the bigots.

Exactly. Because according to the DOMA marriage is defined as a union between a man and a woman. Sounds to me like the federal government has something to say about marriage...

____________________________________

Done with USCIS until 12/28/2020!

penguinpasscanada.jpg

"What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" ~Gandhi

Posted

It will be legal in the United States in your lifetime. You will have to learn to deal with it, you don't have to like it.

Maybe...maybe not. There's changes being made in both directions, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this country comes to a point to where it says enough is enough. Don't think this country is so full of ultra libs just because of what you read in the paper. There's plenty of people that have had the sh*ts with whats being going on.

sigbet.jpg

"I want to take this opportunity to mention how thankful I am for an Obama re-election. The choice was clear. We cannot live in a country that treats homosexuals and women as second class citizens. Homosexuals deserve all of the rights and benefits of marriage that heterosexuals receive. Women deserve to be treated with respect and their salaries should not depend on their gender, but their quality of work. I am also thankful that the great, progressive state of California once again voted for the correct President. America is moving forward, and the direction is a positive one."

Filed: Lift. Cond. (apr) Country: Spain
Timeline
Posted

Maybe...maybe not. There's changes being made in both directions, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if this country comes to a point to where it says enough is enough. Don't think this country is so full of ultra libs just because of what you read in the paper. There's plenty of people that have had the sh*ts with whats being going on.

Plenty of 'conservatives' are OK with gay marriage. Don't think that this country is full of people that see everything as a black and white issue just because you do.

 

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
- Back to Top -

Important Disclaimer: Please read carefully the Visajourney.com Terms of Service. If you do not agree to the Terms of Service you should not access or view any page (including this page) on VisaJourney.com. Answers and comments provided on Visajourney.com Forums are general information, and are not intended to substitute for informed professional medical, psychiatric, psychological, tax, legal, investment, accounting, or other professional advice. Visajourney.com does not endorse, and expressly disclaims liability for any product, manufacturer, distributor, service or service provider mentioned or any opinion expressed in answers or comments. VisaJourney.com does not condone immigration fraud in any way, shape or manner. VisaJourney.com recommends that if any member or user knows directly of someone involved in fraudulent or illegal activity, that they report such activity directly to the Department of Homeland Security, Immigration and Customs Enforcement. You can contact ICE via email at Immigration.Reply@dhs.gov or you can telephone ICE at 1-866-347-2423. All reported threads/posts containing reference to immigration fraud or illegal activities will be removed from this board. If you feel that you have found inappropriate content, please let us know by contacting us here with a url link to that content. Thank you.
×
×
  • Create New...