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[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Presumably Gary has if he is ok with that.

Was I somehow unclear? Two adults (or more) willingly have sex with each other and enjoy it. Who should regulate that? Why? Who shoud decide what is Ok and what isn't? maybe the adults having sex? Maybe they can decide for themselves? Or they need someone from the government to tell them what is OK. Maybe you? Maybe Danno? Maybe a committee?

I say grown uos can decide for themselves and do not concern myself further with the issue.

I think this pro-choice mantra of yours goes a bit far.

Of course you do. You are not a liberal and not pro-choice.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Was I somehow unclear? Two adults (or more) willingly have sex with each other and enjoy it. Who should regulate that? Why? Who shoud decide what is Ok and what isn't? maybe the adults having sex? Maybe they can decide for themselves? Or they need someone from the government to tell them what is OK. Maybe you? Maybe Danno? Maybe a committee?

I say grown uos can decide for themselves and do not concern myself further with the issue.

You think consent can truly exist between a father and daughter getting into a sexual relationship. That's pretty typical libertarian nonsense, not thinking things through.

A rather and daughter don't spontaneously decide to embark on a sexual relationship. It undermines the role of the parent and child and kind of suggests that the relationship was never normal to begin with, which means informed consent cannot exist.

You want to defend sexual predators Gary? Beautiful.

Was I somehow unclear? Two adults (or more) willingly have sex with each other and enjoy it. Who should regulate that? Why? Who shoud decide what is Ok and what isn't? maybe the adults having sex? Maybe they can decide for themselves? Or they need someone from the government to tell them what is OK. Maybe you? Maybe Danno? Maybe a committee?

I say grown uos can decide for themselves and do not concern myself further with the issue.

Of course you do. You are not a liberal and not pro-choice.

You think having no opinion is pro choice. I've heard it all before, it's bs.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You think consent can truly exist between a father and daughter getting into a sexual relationship. That's pretty typical libertarian nonsense, not thinking things through.

A rather and daughter don't spontaneously decide to embark on a sexual relationship. It undermines the role of the parent and child and kind of suggests that the relationship was never normal to begin with, which means informed consent cannot exist.

You want to defend sexual predators Gary? Beautiful.

You think having no opinion is pro choice. I've heard it all before, it's bs.

I believe adults can make informed decisions and care about themselves. You don't. No surprise. It is the basis for allowing the government to run any and all parts of your life "You can't do that" Yes we can.

Do you seriously believe that people engage, or do not engage, in incest because of a law made by the government? Do you serioulsy believe the laws in existance regarding even heterosexual activity between man and wife are followed or even given a thought? You realize that there are states that ban sex toys? They ban oral sex between man and wife. You think anyone pays attention to that? Do you think less people own sex toys or engage in oral sex because it is illegal.

But you can see what happens when we allow you or Danno or a committe to decide what we can do in our bedrooms.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You think consent can truly exist between a father and daughter getting into a sexual relationship. That's pretty typical libertarian nonsense, not thinking things through.

A rather and daughter don't spontaneously decide to embark on a sexual relationship. It undermines the role of the parent and child and kind of suggests that the relationship was never normal to begin with, which means informed consent cannot exist.

You want to defend sexual predators Gary? Beautiful.

You think having no opinion is pro choice. I've heard it all before, it's bs.

Never make the error that I do not have an opinion.

I have an opinion. I am anti-abortion. My opinion should not be made into a LAW that affects everyone else.

THAT is pro-choice.

I have no desire to have sex with my sister. (I don't have any daughters) That is my opinion. I do not care if you and your sister want to have sex. THAT is pro choice

Edited June 26, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe adults can make informed decisions and care about themselves. You don't. No surprise. It is the basis for allowing the government to run any and all parts of your life "You can't do that" Yes we can.

Do you seriously believe that people engage, or do not engage, in incest because of a law made by the government? Do you serioulsy believe the laws in existance regarding even heterosexual activity between man and wife are followed or even given a thought? You realize that there are states that ban sex toys? They ban oral sex between man and wife. You think anyone pays attention to that? Do you think less people own sex toys or engage in oral sex because it is illegal.

But you can see what happens when we allow you or Danno or a committe to decide what we can do in our bedrooms.

I believe we shouldn't endorse or legitimise the behaviour of pedophiles and sexual predators, you do. You believe this because you offer an example where it is at best, extremely difficult, if not impossible to determine consent because a father becoming his daughter's lover/husband rather implies something very unpleasant about the "couples" background. You don't just wake up in the morning and decide you want to #### your daughter.

The rest of your post is the usual bunch of straw grabbing bs. This is the core of it. Yes Gary, you're pro-choice, so pro-choice you'll endorse criminal behaviour so long as it doesn't affect you. Brilliant.

Never make the error that I do not have an opinion.

I have an opinion. I am anti-abortion. My opinion should not be made into a LAW that affects everyone else.

THAT is pro-choice.

I have no desire to have sex with my sister. (I don't have any daughters) That is my opinion. I do not care if you and your sister want to have sex. THAT is pro choice

No it isn't, it's apathy.

Edited June 26, 2011 by fishdude

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

I believe we shouldn't endorse or legitimise the behaviour of pedophiles and sexual predators,

Me neither. That's why I'm totally against this whole gay marriage thing.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Me neither. That's why I'm totally against this whole gay marriage thing.

You realize that homosexuality and incest are not interchangeable, don't you?

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

You realize that homosexuality and incest are not interchangeable, don't you?

I find them both sick and immoral and if I had my way about it I would deport the whole lot of them to an island out in the middle of the ocean.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I believe we shouldn't endorse or legitimise the behaviour of pedophiles and sexual predators, you do. You believe this because you offer an example where it is at best, extremely difficult, if not impossible to determine consent because a father becoming his daughter's lover/husband rather implies something very unpleasant about the "couples" background. You don't just wake up in the morning and decide you want to #### your daughter.

The rest of your post is the usual bunch of straw grabbing bs. This is the core of it. Yes Gary, you're pro-choice, so pro-choice you'll endorse criminal behaviour so long as it doesn't affect you. Brilliant.

No it isn't, it's apathy.

You added pedophiles and sexual predators, I did not. If you cannot argue the point I presented, then say so. Please do not assign me positions so you can argue against something that doesn't exist. I will not fall for it, maybe someone else will.

If something is legal it is not criminal. If it does not affect other people, I seriously question the need for it to be illegal

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I find them both sick and immoral and if I had my way about it I would deport the whole lot of them to an island out in the middle of the ocean.

Yeah well... you're a guy who apparently does it with hookers in a hot tub. I think moral authority is rather lacking from your pronouncement.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I find them both sick and immoral and if I had my way about it I would deport the whole lot of them to an island out in the middle of the ocean.

I changed my mind. I agree with Fishdude and think that Kip should decide what we are allowed to do in our bedrooms and it should be a law. I am guessing I could live with it.

Fishdude will be happy now.

Yeah well... you're a guy who apparently does it with hookers in a hot tub. I think moral authority is rather lacking from your pronouncement.

But he agrees with YOU!

So much for making you happy.

Edited June 27, 2011 by Gary and Alla

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You added pedophiles and sexual predators, I did not. If you cannot argue the point I presented, then say so. Please do not assign me positions so you can argue against something that doesn't exist. I will not fall for it, maybe someone else will.

If something is legal it is not criminal. If it does not affect other people, I seriously question the need for it to be illegal

You believe that a father and daughter embarking on a sexual relationship can be consensual in nature, i don't (neither does the law). Hence you are indeed advocating a position that legitimises the actions of pedophiles and sexual predators.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Yeah well... you're a guy who apparently does it with hookers in a hot tub. I think moral authority is rather lacking from your pronouncement.

There's nothing wrong with hookers. It's normal imo ..at least it's heterosexual.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There's nothing wrong with hookers. It's normal imo ..at least it's heterosexual.

If you do it i have no doubt you've found a way to rationalise it to yourself.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

If you do it i have no doubt you've found a way to rationalise it to yourself.

There's nothing wrong with a fellow getting a little on the side now and then (as long as he's not an idiot and doesn't get caught). It's in our blood/genes whatever.

It's like a herd of horses where the stallion makes it with more than one mare...if you catch my drift.

Edited June 27, 2011 by Why_Me