Child Custody In Egypt (Slightly Off Topic)

[NeedInfo3839 2]

Is anyone familiar with child custody laws in Egypt?

Khalid (my man) really wants custody of his younger son, Youssef. He has custody of his older son (Adam), but that's because Adam's mother died years ago. But he really wants his 2 boys to grow up together.

Right now, little Youssef's mother has custody. When they were married, Khalid owned 2 apartments. His Ex got one of them, and lives in it now. Plus she works. So she is established and all. Khalid pays support for the child. I've been hearing that the Egyptian courts tend to favor the mother.

He plans to live with me, and we can raise Adam. But he doesn't want to be a stranger to his younger son, or for the kids to be apart until Youssef is 12 (standard age when the father can usually take the child).

But even still-- does he have any hope for custody at all? I mean is it possible? Any Egyptians here know about this?

Edited June 22, 2011 by Melissa N Khalid

[Harsh_77 718]

The argument would be, why would the mother give up her kid?

If court has granted mother the kid's custody then mother has the custody. Unless he can go back to court and again fight for the custody.

[James And Oksana 19]

Not an expert on the country, but it seems to me a two part issue. First part is he currently does not have primary custody of the child. Even if he could fight and win, he would likely still not be able to bring the child to the US. I say this because unless she lost ALL parental rights, I do believe she has to give consent for him to be able to bring his son here, and after a court fight like that...well it will not happen. His only hope is to appeal to the mother, which I know also is somewhat difficult because she would no be in her son's life. Honestly, I do not see a realistic way this will happen. Perhaps he will be able to work with the mother on extended stays during the summer while the child is out of school and such. That would be my suggestion as at least it keeps the kid in his life, and peace between two parents. Anything else is confrontational with the mother and will likely not accomplish what he wishes anyways.

[Adil & Jeanne 296]

And you think the mother wants to let her child come to USA and she looses him? The best in this situation is for him to arrange the child visits him here and someday has the opportunity to be educated in a college here. but I would not give up my son and be left alone. Not quite fair to ask. Court case of this kind is expensive and lenthy. If your husband got his visa, he would not be allowed to go back and forth for the court dates.

Is anyone familiar with child custody laws in Egypt?

Khalid (my man) really wants custody of his younger son, Youssef. He has custody of his older son (Adam), but that's because Adam's mother died years ago. But he really wants his 2 boys to grow up together.

Right now, little Youssef's mother has custody. When they were married, Khalid owned 2 apartments. His Ex got one of them, and lives in it now. Plus she works. So she is established and all. Khalid pays support for the child. I've been hearing that the Egyptian courts tend to favor the mother.

He plans to live with me, and we can raise Adam. But he doesn't want to be a stranger to his younger son, or for the kids to be apart until Youssef is 12 (standard age when the father can usually take the child).

But even still-- does he have any hope for custody at all? I mean is it possible? Any Egyptians here know about this?

[sara..... 371]

Im not saying this to be rude or cruel but it seems to me that the man is not thinking of the pain giving up the child would be for the mother....only what he wishes for his children

just my opinion

sara

[msheesha 548]

Agreed Sara Nor does he seem to be thinking about what it'd be like for the child to be taken away from his mother and moved to a foreign country.

[LIFE'SJOURNEY 970]

If he would take a child from one wife what makes you think he wouldn't do it to wife number 3, since he wants all of his children to grow up together under his guidance.

Be careful of what we seek.

[Amber & Ahmed 133]

PLEASE KNOW i MEAN NO DISRESPECT.... BUT.... ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME???

1st you tell us how his 2nd wife wanted nothing from him but a kid, now you come on here asking about taking that child from his mother?!?!?! Are you thinking clearly? I have seen enough to know that to Egyptian people, moms, dads, and extended family included, kids mean everything to them! EVERYTHING!!! There is no way this woman is going to simply rollover and allow her child to be taken from her and moved to another country to be raised by a foreign woman. She will fight that till her last breath. I also think it is SUPER SELFISH of you and him to even consider this. How will you communicate with this child? Do you speak his language? Do you honestly think you can raise this child better than his mother could? WOOOOOOOW really I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this post and had to re-read it to be sure it wasn't a trick of the eye a mere illusion. Time for you to have a reality check sister. Concentrate on yourself, your man and the child that has no mother, learn all you can to communicate with the one child he will be able to bring with him and keep your mind and hands off the child who obviously has a mom who loves and cherishes him. Tsk, tsk....

[nurse1967 287]

Obviously, this girl is not a mother. If she was, she would never even suggest such a thing. As someone said earlier, be careful cause one day you might be the ex and he might be scheming of ways to take your baby from you.

[msheesha 548]

Call me crazy, but shouldn't one meet their fiance before planning to take said fiance's child away from the child's mother?????????? Just a crazy thought that ran through my head. I can't remember if that thought was before or after the UNFREAKINGBELIEVABLE thought that ran through my head.....

[NY_BX 397]

PLEASE KNOW i MEAN NO DISRESPECT.... BUT.... ARE YOU FREAKIN KIDDING ME???

1st you tell us how his 2nd wife wanted nothing from him but a kid, now you come on here asking about taking that child from his mother?!?!?! Are you thinking clearly? I have seen enough to know that to Egyptian people, moms, dads, and extended family included, kids mean everything to them! EVERYTHING!!! There is no way this woman is going to simply rollover and allow her child to be taken from her and moved to another country to be raised by a foreign woman. She will fight that till her last breath. I also think it is SUPER SELFISH of you and him to even consider this. How will you communicate with this child? Do you speak his language? Do you honestly think you can raise this child better than his mother could? WOOOOOOOW really I couldn't believe my eyes when I read this post and had to re-read it to be sure it wasn't a trick of the eye a mere illusion. Time for you to have a reality check sister. Concentrate on yourself, your man and the child that has no mother, learn all you can to communicate with the one child he will be able to bring with him and keep your mind and hands off the child who obviously has a mom who loves and cherishes him. Tsk, tsk....

This is exactly what I was thinking. I didn't say anything because it's not my place to intervene in such a delicate matter. However, we're all talking about solidarity and about joining forces to stop destroying families (i.e. same-sex marriage, for example, which to me is rethoric from the stone ages), and then I read this from a lady that is not thinking clearly at all. I see her posts about visiting him and moving to a 3rd country with him and cooking and what not.... and it increases my worries for her. She sounds like a desperetaly inlove, hopelessly romantic lady that wants to do everything right this time around. I admire that wholeheartedly. The inquiries, however, show the other end of the spectrum.

All this said, my advice to her, and anyone in a similar situation is: do NOT get involved in legal battles from past baggage.... especially when the battlefield is a country other than your own. Period. Done. Love and support, that's it. If HE decides to fight for custody, that's his battle to win or lose. Supporting someone to take away a child from his perfectly fine mother is insanity to the millionth degree. If the mother has engaged in criminal activity, in child abuse or anything like that; if the custody battle is to PROTECT the child, then that's absolutely different.

I'm saying this with the outmost respect and sincere desire for you to succeed. My sister married a man who had a newborn baby from a previous relationship. The ex didn't have the financial assurances to take care of the little girl, but other than that, she was perfectly fit to be a fantastic (in the eyes of the law). My sister and her husband engaged in a custody battle that was epic, to say the least. What was the result? A huge dent in their bank accounts. That's it. My sister became a great stepmother and raised her as her own. Nothing more, nothing less... except money. Was it worth? She now says no. She can't forgive herself for attempting to take that now teenager away from her mom.

[UmmSqueakster 54]

Even beyond the nitty gritty of a court battle, doesn't the non custodial parent have to agree for a minor to be taken out of a country? That wouldn't happen if the dispute was bitter.

[Mithra 1,185]

Like others have said, you're jumping the gun on this one big time. You haven't even met your "fiance" yet so I'm not sure how the thought of child custody can even enter your mind. You don't even know if you'll actually like your "fiance" once you meet him in person. I wouldn't worry about his kids or his ex right now. I would focus on whether or not you both even have chemistry beyond online chats. I know you *think* you're madly in love and things are going to be amazing but you have no idea. There are so many things to consider other than the feelings of love and lust which is really all you have right now.

About child custody, most of us are not Egyptians but your "fiance" is. He can more easily research child custody laws than we can. What you'll get here is mostly hearsay and opinions not facts. I'm assuming you don't have children because if you did you would NEVER consider taking a child away from his mother esp to move the child to a foreign country. I'm sorry to say this but the situation with your "fiance" does not sound good. Too much potential drama and too many babies and baby mamas.

[Mithra 1,185]

This is such a touchy subject for me because it involves kids.

I read your post again. Do you really think 12 is an appropriate age to rip a child away from his mother? I'm sorry but as a mother I am floored, appalled and outraged that you would even consider taking a child away from his mother even at the mature age of 12. I have two sons, 15 and 13. Apparently older than your idea of the appropriate age a child can be taken from his mother. I can't imagine them living full time in another country being raised by a woman who doesn't even know how to communicate with them. I would be heartbroken and devastated if some foreign chick decided that she knows better what is good for my kids. Do you even consider how this child will feel if you and your "fiance" were to succeed? Such selfishness. I'm just sick that you would even consider such.

[Glyn and Kathy 288]

OK, my two cents. My husband and I BOTH have children from previous marriages. Both exs are still living. When deciding where we would spend our lives together, we knew that it would difficult. I knew I could NEVER uproot my children from everything, and everyone that they knew and loved, and my husband knew the same about his boys. When I left for England to live, I spoke openly to my children(and the ex) and asked them if they would like to live with me and hubby in the UK....but that if they didn't it would NOT hurt my feelings and we would see each other often and that it would be temporary. It honestly broke my heart but I knew that was my burden. When we returned to the UK without my step-sons it was the same thing for hubby. Our children suffered through the break up of their families, we didn't want them to lose everything they knew because we were in love. We both stayed VERY involved in our childrens lives. We have been back in the US for 3 years now, and my daughter is living with us. My son, who will be 18 in September, a senior in high school, and joining the Navy next year...lives with his dad but we see each other all the time and speak regularly.We plan on moving back to the UK soon....my son will definitely stay here as he is almost an adult, has a job, and a life that is all his own (so proud of him)....my daughter is almost 13 and wants to come with us. I have spoken to her dad, and he is ok with it (so he says at the moment). I only hope he takes into effect that SHE wants to go.

Your partner needs to put the child FIRST. Everything he knows and loves is there with his mother. Will he miss him? Yes. Will it break his heart to leave his boy behind? Most definitely....but he is an adult and its HIS choice to move to the States to be with you. AND, he would definitely need permission from the mom to bring the son....even IF he got custody.

Think about it. With Skype and everything available for communication, he can still stay involved with his son. Someday, when the son is old enough to decide he wants to be with dad, then maybe his mom will be ok with it. DONT FORCE THE ISSUE NOW!