Pulitzer-prize winner Vargas says he's an illegal immigrant

[snooki703 7]

So since I am a contributing member of society making a very good salary in a hi-tech industry I should be able to commit multiple felonies and just be forgiven without and negative repercussions?

I never knew that American means only stupid low paid people are held accountable for there actions, silly me.

BTW, I don't see where I said either set of conditions were mutually exclusive. Honestly the whole Logical Fallacy comment is a poorly constructed Red Herring as ture or not it has no bearing on the issue at hand.

Haha I make a very high salary too and I certainly never expect to be "forgiven without negative repercussions".

Also, I'm glad you googled "Red Herring" Straw man argument, much?

xoxo

snookie

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Haha I make a very high salary too and I certainly never expect to be "forgiven without negative repercussions".

Also, I'm glad you googled "Red Herring" Straw man argument, much?

xoxo

snookie

So I point out the failing of your "logical fallacy" argument and you reply not by addressing it but insulting me? Why would you assume that I would have to google anything to reply to you? Personally I prefer "Red Herring" to "Straw man", sounds better to me I guess.

I assume that you don't have an intelligent response to my points or you would have made them instead of replying with such a childish attempt to insult me...

[snooki703 7]

Absolutely no attempt to insult you, Bob (or Anna not really sure). I simply never saw the Red Herring element of my reply - my bad! My guess was that you googled it at random to insert into your post as an example of a logical fallacy- although in retrospect I can see that may have been disrespectful to assume, whereas I had studied this extensively at my Ivy League alma mater.

In the interest of staying on topic, I request (and assume that moderators of this forum request) that we only reply in response to the main topic at hand.

Thanks,

snookie

[Darnell 8,478]

geez - he's all over bbc radio and npr this evening - I'm not gonna spew further till I read his piece in Sunday's New York Times.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Absolutely no attempt to insult you, Bob (or Anna not really sure). I simply never saw the Red Herring element of my reply - my bad! My guess was that you googled it at random to insert into your post as an example of a logical fallacy- although in retrospect I can see that may have been disrespectful to assume, whereas I had studied this extensively at my Ivy League alma mater.

In the interest of staying on topic, I request (and assume that moderators of this forum request) that we only reply in response to the main topic at hand.

Thanks,

snookie

Nice to see you looking down your "Ivy league alma mater" at me (again). Ironically I didn't need such an education to earn my salary or vocabulary.

I would also point out that you were the one to stray off topic whereas my replies have all been on-topic until you derailed the conversation.

BTW, if you read you'd see my signature refers to my "Wifie's Profile" which I think would be enough info to determine if I'm Bob or Anna...

Edited June 25, 2011 by Bob 4 Anna

[LBeachey 44]

After having read the New York Times Magazine article, I struggle with at what point does he go from being not responsible to responsible. Do you really expect a 16 year kid to turn in his grandfather or get on a plane and go back to the Phillipines? He told many teachers and mentors and the advice he got was to not say anything.

I think this is the dilemma of immigration policy. At some point you would hope he had the opportunity to become legal. However, by doing that you reward his or someone else's illegal behavior. I wish there was a good solution to not only his situation but to the illegal immigration issue in general.

[snooki703 7]

Nice to see you looking down your "Ivy league alma mater" at me (again). Ironically I didn't need such an education to earn my salary or vocabulary.

I would also point out that you were the one to stray off topic whereas my replies have all been on-topic until you derailed the conversation.

BTW, if you read you'd see my signature refers to my "Wifie's Profile" which I think would be enough info to determine if I'm Bob or Anna...

I never looked down on you Bob (thank you for clarifying). I am sorry that you feel an inferiority complex to assume this. I am very proud of my background and accomplishments, incl. salary and alma mater and am confident that it is because of my inherent skill set and diligence that I was able to obtain such an education in the first place, and not the other way around. Also I did not scrutinize you or your "wifie's profile" which I'm sure she will appreciate.

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

I never looked down on you Bob (thank you for clarifying). I am sorry that you feel an inferiority complex to assume this. I am very proud of my background and accomplishments, incl. salary and alma mater and am confident that it is because of my inherent skill set and diligence that I was able to obtain such an education in the first place, and not the other way around. Also I did not scrutinize you or your "wifie's profile" which I'm sure she will appreciate.

Wow, really? You just can't make a single reply to me without attempting to insult me can you?

Not once in this exchange have I insulted you but every reply to continue to dig at me, it's surprising really.

I guess since you can't get a sufficient reaction from me you now have to involve my wife?

I would still appreciate your explanation of the "Logical Fallacy" (which contained your first incorrect assumptions about me) having any relevance to the topic of a multiple felony committing criminal's confession and potential deportation with a lifetime ban. Please, if you do find the time to respond skip the attempted insult. they are so thinly veiled that even a blind man can see them.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

geez - he's all over bbc radio and npr this evening - I'm not gonna spew further till I read his piece in Sunday's New York Times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/26/magazine/my-life-as-an-undocumented-immigrant.html

My Life as an Undocumented Immigrant

By JOSE ANTONIO VARGAS

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

I hate to come across as pessimistic but something Jim posted to another user in the AOS forum recently sparked a thought. Has he played his hand knowing its a winning one? Will there be a private bill for him? Has he posted this article as his key to getting what he always wanted?

[Karee 4,190]

Via legislative reform on key immigration policies - yes. It is obviously too late for Vargas, and I agree no one is above the law so he should expect nothing less than be subject to removal proceedings. But in the future....

America can provide legal pathways for hard working, value-creating, gifted individuals like Vargas. Currently, permanent residency in the US is exceedingly difficult to establish unless through marriage to a US citizen or through other family petitions. There is no formal way to attract innovators, geniuses, and brilliant minds into this country (arguably we have H1B into the green card pathway, but this system is also highly broken and flawed).

It's called H1B.

[Zero Sum 305]

It's called H1B.

Yeah Jersey Shore girl mentioned it, and it ain't a very good way of matching talent to coming here unless you're some PhD from afar.

This guy still needs to go.

[snooki703 7]

Wow, really? You just can't make a single reply to me without attempting to insult me can you?

Not once in this exchange have I insulted you but every reply to continue to dig at me, it's surprising really.

I guess since you can't get a sufficient reaction from me you now have to involve my wife?

I would still appreciate your explanation of the "Logical Fallacy" (which contained your first incorrect assumptions about me) having any relevance to the topic of a multiple felony committing criminal's confession and potential deportation with a lifetime ban. Please, if you do find the time to respond skip the attempted insult. they are so thinly veiled that even a blind man can see them.

Absolutely, I will explain to you what a logical fallacy is. In one of your earlier, not exactly relevant replies to my post, you stated that criminals cannot be American and that Vargas had to be deported for being felonious and that he could not be American. I then proceeded to explain that the aforementioned conditions were mutually exclusive.

And again, no attempts to "dig at you" or "involve your wife" . I have far more important things to do then "dig at" recent immigrants and middle salary men (as you self-described, so no attempt to insult).

XOXO

SNOOKI!

Edited June 25, 2011 by snooki703

[웃 910]

Absolutely, I will explain to you what a logical fallacy is. In one of your earlier, not exactly relevant replies to my post, you stated that criminals cannot be American and that Vargas had to be deported for being felonious and that he could not be American. I then proceeded to explain that the aforementioned conditions were mutually exclusive.

And again, no attempts to "dig at you" or "involve your wife" . I have far more important things to do then "dig at" recent immigrants and middle salary men (as you self-described, so no attempt to insult).

XOXO

SNOOKI!

[Deputy Purple 1,294]

Absolutely, I will explain to you what a logical fallacy is. In one of your earlier, not exactly relevant replies to my post, you stated that criminals cannot be American and that Vargas had to be deported for being felonious and that he could not be American. I then proceeded to explain that the aforementioned conditions were mutually exclusive.

And again, no attempts to "dig at you" or "involve your wife" . I have far more important things to do then "dig at" recent immigrants and middle salary men (as you self-described, so no attempt to insult).

XOXO

SNOOKI!

Apparently your Ivy League education didn't bother to teach you basic reading skills. Maybe the reality of you is closer to your profile image & name than your claimed pedigree!

Nowhere did I claim that criminals can't be American, in fact our prisons & jails are filled with American Criminals. I stated that his felonies make him deportable and that his false claims to US Citizenship make him inadmissible with no waiver available to overcome the inadmissibility. That is a far cry from you failed attempt to understand basic English.

I would like to know where I described myself as a "middle salary man"? I have not felt the need to flaunt anything here including the respectable salary that I earn based on my knowledge & skill. The amount of that salary is not the business of anyone here and was only ever mentioned because you implied that since Vargas is a good earner & prize winning writer he deserves better treatment under the law.

FWIW, Vargas will suffer very little if deported as he'll be able to world for any multitude of international organizations from his home country of the Philippines and will receive compensation allowing him to live like royalty and travel the world (with the exception of entering the US) whereas he currently cannot leave the US with any hopes of every returning.

I see his "coming-out" as very self-serving and not the admirable sacrifice he is claiming it to be nor does it carry the prestige of the noble gesture many want to call it. He has nothing to lose and his freedom to gain my doing this regardless of getting deported or not.