Sponsored or not sponsored that is the question

[R2NALD 0]

Hi eveybody,

So, here's the situation...

We are going to be married in usa and then fill at the paris embassy

But i need some advices about this affadavit of support...

I'm the french citizen, she's the usc. We both reside abroad...

Last year she was a student, so she's just beginning to work with an amount of money witch is higher than the poverty guidelines ...

They ask for the 3 most recent tax years...how is she going to do...knowing that she's only beginning to work?...

My other question, is if we need another sponsor...for example her father who is married...

I know that the poverty guidelines are 16500$...so he has to earn more than 16500$ per year? That's really all?...

...My sweetie is living on her own appartement, so she'not in charge anymore with her parents...

Tha nks for all!!!!

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

Do I understand correctly that your wife's employment is outside the USA? (You say that you both reside abroad - outside the USA.)

Will her employment with this employer continue when she returns to the USA, or will she have to resign and find new employment? And has she retained domicile in the USA or will she have to re-establish that? The former is not necessary if her father is going to be Joint Sponsor, but the latter is necessary.

To be Joint Sponsor her father's household will have to have sufficient income to support the entire household plus you. If the father is married (and is living with his wife) then $16,500 is not sufficient.

Yodrak

Hi eveybody,

So, here's the situation...

We are going to be married in usa and then fill at the paris embassy

But i need some advices about this affadavit of support...

I'm the french citizen, she's the usc. We both reside abroad...

Last year she was a student, so she's just beginning to work with an amount of money witch is higher than the poverty guidelines ...

They ask for the 3 most recent tax years...how is she going to do...knowing that she's only beginning to work?...

My other question, is if we need another sponsor...for example her father who is married...

I know that the poverty guidelines are 16500$...so he has to earn more than 16500$ per year? That's really all?...

...My sweetie is living on her own appartement, so she'not in charge anymore with her parents...

Tha nks for all!!!!

Edited September 12, 2006 by Yodrak

[R2NALD 0]

Hi yodrak, she's working in Usa, she's usc, i'm french....

So if the father is married, how much do we need?

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

So then you do not "both reside abroad"... OK, that removes one potential issue.

How much your wife needs, to avoid having to get a Joint Sponsor, is $16,500.

How much her father needs if he is to be a Joint Sponsor I can't tell you as you haven't provided the necessary information. Have a look at an I-864, fill in the questions for Section 5 as your father-in-law would, and then look up the Household Size you calculate in form I-864P.

Yodrak

Hi yodrak, she's working in Usa, she's usc, i'm french....

So if the father is married, how much do we need?

[meauxna 15]

Hi eveybody,

So, here's the situation...

We are going to be married in usa and then fill at the paris embassy

But i need some advices about this affadavit of support...

I'm the french citizen, she's the usc. We both reside abroad...

Last year she was a student, so she's just beginning to work with an amount of money witch is higher than the poverty guidelines ...

They ask for the 3 most recent tax years...how is she going to do...knowing that she's only beginning to work?...

My other question, is if we need another sponsor...for example her father who is married...

I know that the poverty guidelines are 16500$...so he has to earn more than 16500$ per year? That's really all?...

...My sweetie is living on her own appartement, so she'not in charge anymore with her parents...

Tha nks for all!!!!

Once again I recommend that you read the I-864 and all of its instructions. The new rule is one year of tax returns, not three.

You also give conflicting information--sometimes you say your girlfriend is in the US, then you say 'we both reside abroad'.

If your (then) wife earn enough money for her household (just the two of you?) currently, that is the requirement. You said before that YOU have some money; you may add your cash in as 'assets'.

You said before that her father would be the Joint Sponsor. In that case, this task is very simple and you are making it very difficult.

[R2NALD 0]

Hi eveybody,

So, here's the situation...

We are going to be married in usa and then fill at the paris embassy

But i need some advices about this affadavit of support...

I'm the french citizen, she's the usc. We both reside abroad...

Last year she was a student, so she's just beginning to work with an amount of money witch is higher than the poverty guidelines ...

They ask for the 3 most recent tax years...how is she going to do...knowing that she's only beginning to work?...

My other question, is if we need another sponsor...for example her father who is married...

I know that the poverty guidelines are 16500$...so he has to earn more than 16500$ per year? That's really all?...

...My sweetie is living on her own appartement, so she'not in charge anymore with her parents...

Tha nks for all!!!!

Once again I recommend that you read the I-864 and all of its instructions. The new rule is one year of tax returns, not three.

You also give conflicting information--sometimes you say your girlfriend is in the US, then you say 'we both reside abroad'.

If your (then) wife earn enough money for her household (just the two of you?) currently, that is the requirement. You said before that YOU have some money; you may add your cash in as 'assets'.

You said before that her father would be the Joint Sponsor. In that case, this task is very simple and you are making it very difficult.

Sorry if i made mistakes in my explanations, but english is not my native langage

"Both resides abroad" doesn't mean the same if translated in french, so I made a mistake.

So, i'm gonna explain it more simply

I live in france, i work here. She lives in Usa, she works there.

She earns like 30 000 $ a year wich is enough to sponsor me. But the problem, is that she began to work few

weeks ago. Last year she was a student. So, if it's one year of paying taxes, it has to be the last one. And she was a student...is it a problem, or is it what she currently earns which is important? -headache -

That's her first "real" job. Other thing, we don't have kids-for now -

The question is: do we need a sponsor in that case?

For my assets, i think it's better to forget this for now...

I'm really sorry, but my english is not good as yours, i use a dictionnary, and i think that i need to be supported for a while, so let's make it step by step . Soon i hope i'll be able to help other vj'ers!!!

I'm gonna read again, the informations about the affadavit, but it seems difficult for me to understand that.

Can you give me the link, because i think there's two affadavit, a new one and old one....And where did you see that new rule of one year paying taxes?

I really thank you Meauxana and Yodrak, for your patience...

[Candace 2]

Hello R2nald

I think I understand your question.

The income requirement and the requirement for the tax return are very related, but not the same thing. The 125% poverty level minimum is for current income, AND also the tax return(s) are to be provided.

They want to know that your fiance can support you NOW. Hence the income requirement. You do not need to have three past years of tax returns at the minimum income requirements.

In fact, the requirement is now only one year of tax returns (to my knowledge.)

I hope this helps!

[R2NALD 0]

Hello R2nald

I think I understand your question.

The income requirement and the requirement for the tax return are very related, but not the same thing. The 125% poverty level minimum is for current income, AND also the tax return(s) are to be provided.

They want to know that your fiance can support you NOW. Hence the income requirement. You do not need to have three past years of tax returns at the minimum income requirements.

In fact, the requirement is now only one year of tax returns (to my knowledge.)

I hope this helps!

Thanks a lot for your reply, candace, that means, that she just have to earn more than the minimum poverty income...she has it!!!

But why do they ask the last tax returns, if she is just beginning to work -few weeks ago- and if she was a student before?

It's weird!!!

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

They ask because they are not mind readers, and don't know a person's financial situation until the person presents their information. Most people are going to have a previous year's tax return, even if they were students last year and have just started a first full-time job this year.

Yodrak

....

But why do they ask the last tax returns, if she is just beginning to work -few weeks ago- and if she was a student before?

It's weird!!!

[R2NALD 0]

R2NALD,

They ask because they are not mind readers, and don't know a person's financial situation until the person presents their information. Most people are going to have a previous year's tax return, even if they were students last year and have just started a first full-time job this year.

Yodrak

....

But why do they ask the last tax returns, if she is just beginning to work -few weeks ago- and if she was a student before?

It's weird!!!

So, if understand well, she has only to provide the last year tax return, 2005 -when she wasn't working, with no income- and a letter from her employee...stating that she's earning more that 16500$ per year?

Do you think it's enough?...And what about the bank statements?...Does she needs to provide information about that?....She has debt -not a lot but debts-, so what kind of document from the bank would be helpful?

Thanks!!!

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

If she did not work last year and had no income, or even if she did work but her total income was less than the minimum required for filing a tax return, then she does not have to submit a tax return with her affidavit of support. Instead, she has to submit a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

If her present income is marginal, and since she's new at a first job (i.e. no history of sustained employment) then her income situation is weak and she would be best advised to supplement it to the extent possible with whatever assets she has.

If you've done your basic reading of the I-864 affidavit of support and it's instructions then you realize that debt information is not requested other than to establish the net value of assets. So why are you mentioning debts?

Yodrak

R2NALD,

They ask because they are not mind readers, and don't know a person's financial situation until the person presents their information. Most people are going to have a previous year's tax return, even if they were students last year and have just started a first full-time job this year.

Yodrak

....

But why do they ask the last tax returns, if she is just beginning to work -few weeks ago- and if she was a student before?

It's weird!!!

So, if understand well, she has only to provide the last year tax return, 2005 -when she wasn't working, with no income- and a letter from her employee...stating that she's earning more that 16500$ per year?

Do you think it's enough?...And what about the bank statements?...Does she needs to provide information about that?....She has debt -not a lot but debts-, so what kind of document from the bank would be helpful?

Thanks!!!

[R2NALD 0]

R2NALD,

If she did not work last year and had no income, or even if she did work but her total income was less than the minimum required for filing a tax return, then she does not have to submit a tax return with her affidavit of support. Instead, she has to submit a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

If her present income is marginal, and since she's new at a first job (i.e. no history of sustained employment) then her income situation is weak and she would be best advised to supplement it to the extent possible with whatever assets she has.

If you've done your basic reading of the I-864 affidavit of support and it's instructions then you realize that debt information is not requested other than to establish the net value of assets. So why are you mentioning debts?

Yodrak

R2NALD,

They ask because they are not mind readers, and don't know a person's financial situation until the person presents their information. Most people are going to have a previous year's tax return, even if they were students last year and have just started a first full-time job this year.

Yodrak

....

But why do they ask the last tax returns, if she is just beginning to work -few weeks ago- and if she was a student before?

It's weird!!!

So, if understand well, she has only to provide the last year tax return, 2005 -when she wasn't working, with no income- and a letter from her employee...stating that she's earning more that 16500$ per year?

Do you think it's enough?...And what about the bank statements?...Does she needs to provide information about that?....She has debt -not a lot but debts-, so what kind of document from the bank would be helpful?

Thanks!!!

I'm talking about debts, because, she has to provide, bank statement with her affadavit??? It's what i understood.

The other point: she began to work in september -few weeks ago- and it's a good job with enough income, it's really stable. And she will earns more than 16500 dollars per year.

We are going to go through dcf at the american ambassy in france in next january...

So, knowing all these stuffs, do you think we need another sponsor?...Or, does her situation is enough to the reach the requirements?....

here is what we have-just financially for now-

-her job, witch is like 35 000 dollars per year/ letter from her employee.

-and maybe, the last year tax or a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

-no assets at the end we had problems with that, so we have to forget it-(.

I don't think it's enough

So do you think we need another sponsor?

Thanks for your support

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

I do not see the connection between debts and bank statements that you apparently see. You may be thinking of a different kind of bank statement than is called in the context of the affidavit of support.

I can't predict how the consular officer who processes your visa application will decide after reviewing the financial material that you and your wife provide.

Yodrak

R2NALD,

If she did not work last year and had no income, or even if she did work but her total income was less than the minimum required for filing a tax return, then she does not have to submit a tax return with her affidavit of support. Instead, she has to submit a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

If her present income is marginal, and since she's new at a first job (i.e. no history of sustained employment) then her income situation is weak and she would be best advised to supplement it to the extent possible with whatever assets she has.

If you've done your basic reading of the I-864 affidavit of support and it's instructions then you realize that debt information is not requested other than to establish the net value of assets. So why are you mentioning debts?

Yodrak

I'm talking about debts, because, she has to provide, bank statement with her affadavit??? It's what i understood.

The other point: she began to work in september -few weeks ago- and it's a good job with enough income, it's really stable. And she will earns more than 16500 dollars per year.

We are going to go through dcf at the american ambassy in france in next january...

So, knowing all these stuffs, do you think we need another sponsor?...Or, does her situation is enough to the reach the requirements?....

here is what we have-just financially for now-

-her job, witch is like 35 000 dollars per year/ letter from her employee.

-and maybe, the last year tax or a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

-no assets at the end we had problems with that, so we have to forget it-(.

I don't think it's enough

So do you think we need another sponsor?

Thanks for your support

Edited September 14, 2006 by Yodrak

[R2NALD 0]

R2NALD,

I do not see the connection between debts and bank statements that you apparently see. You may be thinking of a different kind of bank statement than is called in the context of the affidavit of support.

I can't predict how the consular officer who processes your visa application will decide after reviewing the financial material that you and your wife provide.

Yodrak

R2NALD,

If she did not work last year and had no income, or even if she did work but her total income was less than the minimum required for filing a tax return, then she does not have to submit a tax return with her affidavit of support. Instead, she has to submit a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

If her present income is marginal, and since she's new at a first job (i.e. no history of sustained employment) then her income situation is weak and she would be best advised to supplement it to the extent possible with whatever assets she has.

If you've done your basic reading of the I-864 affidavit of support and it's instructions then you realize that debt information is not requested other than to establish the net value of assets. So why are you mentioning debts?

Yodrak

I'm talking about debts, because, she has to provide, bank statement with her affadavit??? It's what i understood.

The other point: she began to work in september -few weeks ago- and it's a good job with enough income, it's really stable. And she will earns more than 16500 dollars per year.

We are going to go through dcf at the american ambassy in france in next january...

So, knowing all these stuffs, do you think we need another sponsor?...Or, does her situation is enough to the reach the requirements?....

here is what we have-just financially for now-

-her job, witch is like 35 000 dollars per year/ letter from her employee.

-and maybe, the last year tax or a statement explaining why she was not required to submit a tax return.

-no assets at the end we had problems with that, so we have to forget it-(.

I don't think it's enough

So do you think we need another sponsor?

Thanks for your support

So, what is tha bank statement called in the context of affadavit?

[Yodrak 7]

R2NALD,

I should have written 'called for', I appologize for the omission.

Statements showing information about deposit accounts - checking or savings accounts. Not loan accounts.

Yodrak

R2NALD,

I do not see the connection between debts and bank statements that you apparently see. You may be thinking of a different kind of bank statement than is called in the context of the affidavit of support.

....

Yodrak

So, what is tha bank statement called in the context of affadavit?