"Gaza Island"

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

The Zionists are claiming dominion because they lived there during the time of Jesus. Using your reasoning, they have no right to it now.

Perhaps we should ask the Iraqi's. They built the last temple, and let them move back into Palestine. Maybe they can use some of that oil money that America fought for, and built a third temple, perhaps somewhere else. Somewhere in Nevada might be nice.

Edited July 30, 2011 by Crusty Old Perv

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Perhaps we should ask the Iraqi's. They built the last temple, and let them move back into Palestine. Maybe they can use some of that oil money that America fought for, and built a third temple, perhaps somewhere else. Somewhere in Nevada might be nice.

They weren't Iraqis quite yet. I'm willing to support the people who were there and lost their land during the Zionist invasion began. That would include members my family and anyone else who was forced off and not allowed back.

[Golden Gate 530]

The Zionists are claiming dominion because they lived there during the time of Jesus. Using your reasoning, they have no right to it now.

Thanks. That was the point I was trying to make, but I guess I wasn't specific enough.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Thanks. That was the point I was trying to make, but I guess I wasn't specific enough.

I thought it went back to the time when the God of Abram told him to leave the land of Ur, or when the Israelite's, after leaving Egypt, settled among the Canaanite's.

[Golden Gate 530]

I thought it went back to the time when the God of Abram told him to leave the land of Ur, or when the Israelite's, after leaving Egypt, settled among the Canaanite's.

Yes, they were "promised" the land by God, apparently.

My link

Edited July 30, 2011 by Golden Gate

[Golden Gate 530]

Yes, they were "promised" the land by God, apparently.

My link

But it does say all of Abraham's descendants, not just some of them.

Edited July 30, 2011 by Golden Gate

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I thought it went back to the time when the God of Abram told him to leave the land of Ur, or when the Israelite's, after leaving Egypt, settled among the Canaanite's.

The Israelites hardly settled among the Canaanites. According to Joshua, Chapter 6, God ordered them to slaughter them and take their land and property in His Name. It's a wonder that an atheist like Ma Wilson supports a nation based on a book that he constantly mocks as a lie.

Joshua 6

The Fall of Jericho

1 Now the gates of Jericho were tightly shut because the people were afraid of the Israelites. No one was allowed to go out or in. 2 But the Lord said to Joshua, “I have given you Jericho, its king, and all its strong warriors. 3 You and your fighting men should march around the town once a day for six days. 4 Seven priests will walk ahead of the Ark, each carrying a ram’s horn. On the seventh day you are to march around the town seven times, with the priests blowing the horns. 5 When you hear the priests give one long blast on the rams’ horns, have all the people shout as loud as they can. Then the walls of the town will collapse, and the people can charge straight into the town.”

6 So Joshua called together the priests and said, “Take up the Ark of the Lord’s Covenant, and assign seven priests to walk in front of it, each carrying a ram’s horn.” 7 Then he gave orders to the people: “March around the town, and the armed men will lead the way in front of the Ark of the Lord.”

8 After Joshua spoke to the people, the seven priests with the rams’ horns started marching in the presence of the Lord, blowing the horns as they marched. And the Ark of the Lord’s Covenant followed behind them. 9 Some of the armed men marched in front of the priests with the horns and some behind the Ark, with the priests continually blowing the horns. 10 “Do not shout; do not even talk,” Joshua commanded. “Not a single word from any of you until I tell you to shout. Then shout!” 11 So the Ark of the Lord was carried around the town once that day, and then everyone returned to spend the night in the camp.

12 Joshua got up early the next morning, and the priests again carried the Ark of the Lord. 13 The seven priests with the rams’ horns marched in front of the Ark of the Lord, blowing their horns. Again the armed men marched both in front of the priests with the horns and behind the Ark of the Lord. All this time the priests were blowing their horns. 14 On the second day they again marched around the town once and returned to the camp. They followed this pattern for six days.

15 On the seventh day the Israelites got up at dawn and marched around the town as they had done before. But this time they went around the town seven times. 16 The seventh time around, as the priests sounded the long blast on their horns, Joshua commanded the people, “Shout! For the Lord has given you the town! 17 Jericho and everything in it must be completely destroyed[a] as an offering to the Lord. Only Rahab the prostitute and the others in her house will be spared, for she protected our spies.

18 “Do not take any of the things set apart for destruction, or you yourselves will be completely destroyed, and you will bring trouble on the camp of Israel. 19 Everything made from silver, gold, bronze, or iron is sacred to the Lord and must be brought into his treasury.”

20 When the people heard the sound of the rams’ horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the town and captured it. 21 They completely destroyed everything in it with their swords—men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, goats, and donkeys.

22 Meanwhile, Joshua said to the two spies, “Keep your promise. Go to the prostitute’s house and bring her out, along with all her family.”

23 The men who had been spies went in and brought out Rahab, her father, mother, brothers, and all the other relatives who were with her. They moved her whole family to a safe place near the camp of Israel.

24 Then the Israelites burned the town and everything in it. Only the things made from silver, gold, bronze, or iron were kept for the treasury of the Lord’s house. 25 So Joshua spared Rahab the prostitute and her relatives who were with her in the house, because she had hidden the spies Joshua sent to Jericho. And she lives among the Israelites to this day.

26 At that time Joshua invoked this curse:

“May the curse of the Lord fall on anyone

who tries to rebuild the town of Jericho.

At the cost of his firstborn son,

he will lay its foundation.

At the cost of his youngest son,

he will set up its gates.”

27 So the Lord was with Joshua, and his reputation spread throughout the land.

Edited July 30, 2011 by Sofiyya

[웃 910]

The Israelites hardly settled among the Canaanites. According to Joshua, Chapter 6, God ordered them to slaughter them and take their land and property in His Name. It's a wonder that an atheist like Ma Wilson supports a nation based on a book that he constantly mocks as a lie.

Joshua 6:

It's a wonder a God so angry would wipe towns out, kill children, cause famine and drought over His anger with humans....But today He doesn't do a thing if you mock Him non-stop...Kinda makes you wonder if they are all make believe stories and fairy tales?

He also talked audibly back then but not now? Strange indeed.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

An obvious TOS violation there!

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Let's say you abandon your home in Texas (or wherever it is that you live) for 40 years. Or even 5 years.

Do you expect to find it there when you return after years of unpaid property taxes?

The municipality will conduct an auction where the winning bidder will be awarded a

limited warranty deed to the property and you'll be out of luck.

Only Palestinians didn't just "abandon" their homes and go skylarking abroad while not paying their taxes, and then suddenly remember about claiming their property 40 or 60 years later, as you would like to portray it.

They were forcibly driven out by Zionist terror gangs and militias (later the Israeli army,) and then refused the basic human right to return to their homes - and Israel started denying them this right almost the moment it declared itself a state. As I already posted in this very thread:

Most tellingly of all, just eleven weeks after the State of Israel had been proclaimed - after publicly stating to the UN that it was calling on the Palestinians Arabs to “play their part in the development of the State” - the government of Israel formally announced that it would deny the refugees their right to return to their properties. And this had nothing to do with “security,” but, as Israel itself stated to the UN:

“On the economic side, the reintegration of the returning Arabs into normal life, and even their mere sustenance, would present an insuperable problem. The difficulties of accommodation, employment and ordinary livelihood would be insuperable.”

Because Jews had seized the Palestinians’ property and were now living in their homes and eating up the fruits of their labor.

[웃 910]

My father lived in Israel a short time in the late 50s / early 60s.

He said it was all farm land.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

My father lived in Israel a short time in the late 50s / early 60s.

He said it was all farm land.

Much of Palestine was farm land. Guess who was farming it ?

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

- From "A Survey of Palestine, Vol 1: Prepared in December 1945 and January 1946 for the Information of the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry"

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Update....

BDS is gaining strength and the effects are already being felt.

Is BDS campaign working?

Ynetnews special: Anti-Israel boycotters increasingly successful in strangling economy of Jewish state: More than 20 organizations in Europe in 13 countries endorse boycott of Agrexco, Israel’s leading flower exporter

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Agrexco, Israel’s leading flower exporter, has recently declared bankruptcy, partially due to the global boycott of its produce, according to some reports. More than 20 organizations in Europe in 13 countries endorsed a boycott of Agrexco.

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The first symbol of the anti-Israel economic campaign, Caterpillar, was far removed from the Western public consciousness. Yet Israeli roses were a better Jewish scapegoat, as flowers are a pillar of Israel’s economy (in the 1980s Israel became the world’s number two flower exporter. Agrexco was boycotted because it’s partially owned by the Israeli government and because the company has some farms in the Jordan Valley and in Tekoa, a settlement at the gates of the Judean desert.

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Last year, Norway’s oil fund withdrew its investment from Africa-Israel and Danya Cebus citing their involvement in “settlement construction.” Just recently, the Swedish Coop has decided to terminate all purchases of Soda Stream carbonation devices. Meanwhile, the Methodist Church had passed an “anti-Israel” motion demanding a boycott of goods from “illegal” settlements. Quakers in Britain have also agreed to boycott Israeli products.

Elsewhere, major Dutch pension fund Pensioenfonds Zorg en Welzijn, which has investments totaling 97 billion euros, has divested from almost all the Israeli companies in its portfolio (banks, telecommunication companies, construction companies and Elbit Systems.) A large Swedish pension fund also divested from Elbit over the latter’s role in building Israel’s West Bank security fence. Meanwhile, the Ethical Council of four Swedish buffer pension funds urged Motorola “to pull out of the Israeli-occupied territories in the West Bank” or face divestment.

On the cultural front, a film festival in Scotland returned funding to the Israeli Embassy after succumbing to boycott activists who threatened to picket the event. Elsewhere, some major Indian artists have announced the boycott of a show scheduled at the Tel Aviv State Museum in the spring of 2012. Dozens of music stars also endorsed the boycott this past year (Elvis Costello, Gil Scott-Heron, Roger Waters).

And there’s more: A major boycott is going to be approved soon at the Park Slope Food Coop, a renowned cooperative in Brooklyn, affecting Israeli paprika, bath salts, vegan marshmallows and the Soda Stream seltzer machine. Norway’s governmental pension and Germany’s Deutsche Bank divested from Elbit. The flagship London outlet of beauty company Ahava has been closed after years of protest. A Scottish council recently banned Israeli books from its public libraries. Eden Springs, the major Israeli water company, will not have its contract renewed by the famous London School of Economics.

The Hudson’s Bay Company, the oldest commercial corporation in North America, also discontinued sales of Ahava. Although this decision was made for “commercial reasons”, it coincided with an aggressive campaign by several groups advocating a boycott of Ahava.

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Students at Edinburgh University just voted in favor of a boycott of Israel. The University of Johannesburg has cut its links with Beersheba’s Ben-Gurion University. DePaul University’s Student Association approved a boycott of Sabra hummus. The French University of Aix en Provence cancelled a meeting with Israeli writer Esther Orner after a boycott by Arab authors. Alan Dershowitz recently charged that Norwegian universities are conducting “an implicit boycott of Israel.”

Several companies, primarily Swedish firm Assa Abloy, which runs Mul-T-Lock, and the partly Dutch-owned Wine Cellars, have pulled out of the Barkan industrial area, near the Israeli city of Ariel. The Spanish government disqualified Ariel University Center of Samaria from competing in the finals of the international contest between university architecture departments to build a self-sufficient house using solar power. The Norwegian EL & IT union, which represents thousands energy and telecommunications workers, has adopted a boycott of the Histadrut labor union federation.

Brazil’s largest trade union voted for the boycott and called for the suspension of Israeli-Brazilian economic agreements and military ties. French firm Veolia, which operated the light rail project in Jerusalem, sold its shares in the project. Deutsche Bahn just withdrew from the same project, with German transport Minister Peter Ramsauer offeringthe following reason for terminating the project: “Palestinian Foreign affairs Minister Riyad al-Malki, members of the German Parliament and media have criticized a project in which DB international is acting as adviser to Israel’s state-run railway.” Italian company Pizzarotti is now under pressure for the same train project.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4115718,00.html

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

Israel's leaders have based their policies on 3 premises:

1. The occupation can continue indefinitely

2. The occupation will make the Palestinians disappear from Palestine

3. During this process, Israel can maintain its high standard of living

The first two premises are failing or have already failed. BDS is a distinct threat to the third. The question is, how long before the Israeli public wises up to what its leaders have wrought, and does what needs to be done: