"Gaza Island"

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

By excuses I mean your trying to downplay it. As far as Israelis dancing I have yet to see the video. I know that there was celebrating but it was not tolerated like it was in Palestine and the amount of people was nothing like Palestine. Are you really trying to equally compare the two in this manner?

What are you talking about ?????

The "dancing Israelis" event took place not in Israel, but in New Jersey - right across from the still burning WTC. According to the witnesses and to the New Jersey police, they were taking pictures and video of themselves posing in front of the towers, smiling at the cameras and celebrating.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

However, these videos and pictures were taken into possession by the FBI and have never been broadcast even once, much less over and over and over by national news.

You do know that they voted Hamas in???

You do know, don't you, that the sitting American president at the time, George W. Bush, personally urged Hamas to take part in that election ???

Of course, everyone who had any clue about the political situation in Palestine knew that Hamas would win in a landslide against Fatah candidates, due to rampant corruption in Fatah and years of it being unable to do anything to improve the daily lives of Palestinians. American experts knew it, European experts knew it, Palestinian experts knew it, and the Israelis knew it. Bush's advisors told him so.

So you could say - Bush wanted Hamas to win.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why not call for all of Judaism and Christianity to stop pretending Israel is an innocent victim instead of the colonialist ethnic cleansers they are? Is that too much reality, too much honesty for you to handle?

You should really find a better name for "ethnic cleansing" if you want people to think it's a bad thing.

Just like "global warming" sounds like an extended summer vacation. Who doesn't like warm and clean?

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And how many times has Israel voted in Likud?

I have often bitched about Israel building settlements but to compare the two is ridiculous.

[mawilson 2,133]

So you could say - Bush wanted Hamas to win.

Well if GWB wanted them to win, it must have been a great idea.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

I have often bitched about Israel building settlements but to compare the two is ridiculous.

Really? You don't see the irony of your statement?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Why not call for all of Judaism and Christianity to stop pretending Israel is an innocent victim instead of the colonialist ethnic cleansers they are? Is that too much reality, too much honesty for you to handle?

If they are truly that evil then I would say that they are a hell of lot better at hiding it and that the Palestinians should be taking notes so that the rest of the world can begin thinking they are not just heartless thugs.

What are you talking about ?????

The "dancing Israelis" event took place not in Israel, but in New Jersey - right across from the still burning WTC. According to the witnesses and to the New Jersey police, they were taking pictures and video of themselves posing in front of the towers, smiling at the cameras and celebrating.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

However, these videos and pictures were taken into possession by the FBI and have never been broadcast even once, much less over and over and over by national news.

There was 5 of them right??? The fact that you want to compare the two only tells me that I will never get a fair assessment of the Israeli Palestine conflict from you.

You do know, don't you, that the sitting American president at the time, George W. Bush, personally urged Hamas to take part in that election ???

Of course, everyone who had any clue about the political situation in Palestine knew that Hamas would win in a landslide against Fatah candidates, due to rampant corruption in Fatah and years of it being unable to do anything to improve the daily lives of Palestinians. American experts knew it, European experts knew it, Palestinian experts knew it, and the Israelis knew it. Bush's advisors told him so.

So you could say - Bush wanted Hamas to win.

The lack of a civil political party is telling.

I understand the anger that exists and why there is such a overwhelming extreme element. It does no good to act like the actions from this sort of hate is justified.

As far as Bush goes, you are really misconstruing the point he was trying to make.

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Really? You don't see the irony of your statement?

Sorry but I'm just not going to pretend that the two sides in this conflict are equally good or equally bad. There is plenty of clear distinctions between the two parties.

Edited July 25, 2011 by _Simpson_

[slim 1,530]

It's telling that after 38 pages this thread is still ON topic. No wonder we can't get peace in the Middle East.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

There was 5 of them right??? The fact that you want to compare the two only tells me that I will never get a fair assessment of the Israeli Palestine conflict from you.

It would, like, really help so much if you actually read the report we're discussing before you try to discuss it.

And you are quite mistaken if you think I was intending to "equate" the two reports - one is obviously MUCH more intriguing, perhaps even more disturbing, than the other. (But you'd have to actually read the report.)

The lack of a civil political party is telling.

You will have to decipher this for me if you want me to comment because I can't get your meaning.

I understand the anger that exists and why there is such a overwhelming extreme element. It does no good to act like the actions from this sort of hate is justified.

As far as Bush goes, you are really misconstruing the point he was trying to make.

I ask you again - what is the source of your information that there is an "overwhelming extreme element" in Palestine ? Is every person who voted for Hamas an "extremist" ? What is your source for that assessment ?

You understand so very little.

[_Simpson_ 250]

It would, like, really help so much if you actually read the report we're discussing before you try to discuss it.

And you are quite mistaken if you think I was intending to "equate" the two reports - one is obviously MUCH more intriguing, perhaps even more disturbing, than the other. (But you'd have to actually read the report.)

When I have the time I will give it a read but its not going to take away from the point I was trying to make.

You will have to decipher this for me if you want me to comment because I can't get your meaning.

I referring to your comment about there not being a better option than Hamas.

I ask you again - what is the source of your information that there is an "overwhelming extreme element" in Palestine ? Is every person who voted for Hamas an "extremist" ? What is your source for that assessment ?

You understand so very little.

20+ years of observation research and a open mind. Like I have said before I'm not giving Israel a free ride but to portray the situation in the light you have I find totally wrong.

Also, yes I know that not everybody that voted for Hamas is a extremist. Although red flags start popping up when you have a society that would vote for a party that supports strapping bombs to brainwashed children.

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

When I have the time I will give it a read but its not going to take away from the point I was trying to make.

Yet you jumped right in (see your Post #549) when you thought it was an opportunity to demonize Palestinians. It was only when you were faced with a report of Israelis celebrating the event in a much more disturbing context that you realized you wanted to drop the subject like a hot potato because you suddenly don’t have time. (Why do I suspect that if 5 Palestinians were arrested across the river from the WTC, standing on top of a van giving thumbs’ up for the camera, you would suddenly find time.)

At any rate, there were no Palestinians involved with 9/11, and there were no Palestinians arrested in connection with 9/11.

I referring to your comment about there not being a better option than Hamas.

Only that's not quite what I said, is it ?

20+ years of observation research and a open mind. Like I have said before I'm not giving Israel a free ride but to portray the situation in the light you have I find totally wrong.

Also, yes I know that not everybody that voted for Hamas is a extremist. Although red flags start popping up when you have a society that would vote for a party that supports strapping bombs to brainwashed children.

Really ??!! 20+ years.... wow !

Then you should have already known that Hamas doesn’t use children suicide bombers, and has spoken out against the practice. (You are welcome to try to find a case of it to cite here.)

With all that research and observation under your belt, you should have already known that in 2002, both Hamas and Islamic Jihad disavowed the use of children. A Hamas statement in April 2002 called on mosque imams “to give this issue some mention in their sermons” and on educators “to dedicate time to address this issue without sacrificing the enthusiasm or martydom of our youth.”

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/childsoldiers0104/9.htm

By the way, this report also says that the Israeli Defence Force was itself conscripting child soldiers. And even after signing the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict (OP-CRC-CAC,) Israel continued to accept 17-year-old “volunteers.”

But you probably don’t have time to look at that.

20+ years and all you know is Israeli propaganda. Pfffft. Seek out reputable information.

[Ban Hammer 13,445]

Then you should have already known that Hamas doesn’t use children suicide bombers, and has spoken out against the practice. (You are welcome to try to find a case of it to cite here.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdx-h-D6lT8

[_Simpson_ 250]

Yet you jumped right in (see your Post #549) when you thought it was an opportunity to demonize Palestinians. It was only when you were faced with a report of Israelis celebrating the event in a much more disturbing context that you realized you wanted to drop the subject like a hot potato because you suddenly don’t have time. (Why do I suspect that if 5 Palestinians were arrested across the river from the WTC, standing on top of a van giving thumbs’ up for the camera, you would suddenly find time.)

At any rate, there were no Palestinians involved with 9/11, and there were no Palestinians arrested in connection with 9/11.

What are you talking about? I was referring to the video from east Jerusalem. The video that you were responding to. Seriously go back and read.

I jumped in because you glossed over this sick video and tried to make it about Israel. Its annoying that you act like the only problem here is Israel. This sort of approach will never fix the problem.

Only that's not quite what I said, is it ?

Was that your exact words...no but basically yes that is what you said. Here is what you said -

Of course, everyone who had any clue about the political situation in Palestine knew that Hamas would win in a landslide against Fatah candidates, due to rampant corruption in Fatah and years of it being unable to do anything to improve the daily lives of Palestinians. American experts knew it, European experts knew it, Palestinian experts knew it, and the Israelis knew it. Bush's advisors told him so.

So like I said this is very telling.

Really ??!! 20+ years.... wow !

Then you should have already known that Hamas doesn’t use children suicide bombers, and has spoken out against the practice. (You are welcome to try to find a case of it to cite here.)

With all that research and observation under your belt, you should have already known that in 2002, both Hamas and Islamic Jihad disavowed the use of children. A Hamas statement in April 2002 called on mosque imams “to give this issue some mention in their sermons” and on educators “to dedicate time to address this issue without sacrificing the enthusiasm or martydom of our youth.”

http://www.hrw.org/reports/2004/childsoldiers0104/9.htm

By the way, this report also says that the Israeli Defence Force was itself conscripting child soldiers. And even after signing the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict (OP-CRC-CAC,) Israel continued to accept 17-year-old “volunteers.”

But you probably don’t have time to look at that.

My bad they target children!!! link They are worthless pieces of shite and never should of been elected. How these people could vote Hamas into office is a very serious concern. I have very little faith in the people of Palestine.

20+ years and all you know is Israeli propaganda. Pfffft. Seek out reputable information.

Maybe you should take your own advice.

Edited July 26, 2011 by _Simpson_

[_Simpson_ 250]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdx-h-D6lT8

I looked for such a case but often the age of the bomber is not given or known.

[mawilson 2,133]

By the way, this report also says that the Israeli Defence Force was itself conscripting child soldiers. And even after signing the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the involvement of children in armed conflict (OP-CRC-CAC,) Israel continued to accept 17-year-old “volunteers.”

17-year-olds are children???