"Gaza Island"

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Had the Palestinians formed a State when Israel formed things might be quite different now.

[_Simpson_ 250]

All we are saying is give peace a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nD0RTawcIwg

[Golden Gate 530]

Had the Palestinians formed a State when Israel formed things might be quite different now.

Very interesting site:

My link

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Very interesting site:

My link

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/history/origin.html

First off I want to state that I believe the Palestinians should have a state. With that said they and the rest of the Arabs brought this upon themselves. People can cry about the Jewish diaspora immigrating to Israel, but it's a proven fact that those people have ties to Israel starting with their DNA. Now when Israel was declared a state, Arab nations such as the North African nations took it upon themselves to massacre thousands of Jews, and then steal everything they had. Libya is a prime example of this.

You know how to read a map? I hope so for the fact Arabs have a very short and selective memory. One thing Iv'e learned is never gamble if you can't handle losing. The Arabs gambled more than once, and they lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

"Israeli Declaration of Independence"

Edited July 4, 2011 by Why_Me

[Ramialbali 23]

First off I want to state that I believe the Palestinians should have a state. With that said they and the rest of the Arabs brought this upon themselves. People can cry about the Jewish diaspora immigrating to Israel, but it's a proven fact that those people have ties to Israel starting with their DNA. Now when Israel was declared a state, Arab nations such as the North African nations took it upon themselves to massacre thousands of Jews, and then steal everything they had. Libya is a prime example of this.

You know how to read a map? I hope so for the fact Arabs have a very short and selective memory. One thing Iv'e learned is never gamble if you can't handle losing. The Arabs gambled more than once, and they lost.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

"Israeli Declaration of Independence"

serious!!DAN!! what About the Romans?? They were in Palestine too.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

serious!!DAN!! what About the Romans?? They were in Palestine too.

Hopefully the Israeli's and the Palestinians can learn from other democratic Arab nations....wait did I just say that? Are there any democratic Arab nations? I can't think of any. Here maybe you can help me...name some please. I mean out of all the Arab country's there must be at least a few democratic Arab country's...well maybe just one?

[ready4ONE 5,400]

Since "Palestine" didn't exist until after WW1...

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Since "Palestine" didn't exist until after WW1...

If your talking about the name itself. It existed well before the British - during the Byzantine Empire.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Since "Palestine" didn't exist until after WW1...

Read up on your history. Palestine is the Anglicized version of the name given to the area during the Roman occupation.

[Ramialbali 23]

Hopefully the Israeli's and the Palestinians can learn from other democratic Arab nations....wait did I just say that? Are there any democratic Arab nations? I can't think of any. Here maybe you can help me...name some please. I mean out of all the Arab country's there must be at least a few democratic Arab country's...well maybe just one?

Israel+democracy= occupation

You changed the subject, anyway, can you name one non-democratic Arab country!! still occupying other people's land? Ops! sorry the DNA according to you prove that this land is just for Israeli and Palestinian don't exist. Means there is no occupation

Definition of democracy nowadays; occupying other countries other's people's lands and singing for peace

Please read the history from reliable sources.

Cheers!!!

[Ramialbali 23]

Since "Palestine" didn't exist until after WW1...

According to whom? Zionism? to you? or to the Palestinian? teach us the history please

[PalestineMyHeart 1,897]

First off I want to state that I believe the Palestinians should have a state. With that said they and the rest of the Arabs brought this upon themselves. People can cry about the Jewish diaspora immigrating to Israel, but it's a proven fact that those people have ties to Israel starting with their DNA.

There is no "DNA evidence" that "the Jewish people" as a group are "tied to Israel" (by this, I am assuming you mean the ancient Hebrews.)

There is DNA evidence, however, that some Jews of Middle Eastern heritage are closely related to today's Palestinian people - indicating that some share common ancestors.

Overall, there is great genetic diversity among the Jewish people, and the various DNA studies do not indicate a distinct genetic group apart from all others - there is a lot of overlapping.

Now when Israel was declared a state, Arab nations such as the North African nations took it upon themselves to massacre thousands of Jews, and then steal everything they had. Libya is a prime example of this.

"Thousands" ??!!!! No, "thousands" of Jews were not massacred in North African countries in 1948 - not even in Libya which had the deadliest pograms, killing about 175 people. Pogroms are horrific, but don't try to exaggerate - the total number of Jewish victims killed in anti-Israel pograms across the entire Middle East/North Africa in 1948 are in the hundreds, not thousands.

You know how to read a map? I hope so for the fact Arabs have a very short and selective memory. One thing Iv'e learned is never gamble if you can't handle losing. The Arabs gambled more than once, and they lost.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence

"Israeli Declaration of Independence"

Your map does not even appear at the page you linked.

And you seem to be the one with the selective memory - because you tried posting this same old propaganda "the Arabs started the war with Israel in 1948" way back in Post #32 of this thread. I gave you the facts then - in Post #36 - on why that is not the beginning of the conflict because Zionist militias had already begun attacking Palestinian areas in the weeks and months before that.

Look at the dates on your map -- it says it portrays operations from May 14 1948 to June 10 1948.

But that was not the beginning of the war. Look at these maps, and take heed of the dates:

This is when the war actually started. As I pointed out to you in my previous post, the Arab countries first asked the British and the international community to protect Palestinian civilians from attacks. Then, when nothing was done, they waited until the end of the British Mandate to respond themselves with military action, after first informing the U.N. of their intention. And this was their legal right and duty.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

If your talking about the name itself. It existed well before the British - during the Byzantine Empire.

Kind of. To Arabs it was always Southern Syria though, or whatever Southern Syria was at a given time, and the 'Palestinian' people would have self-identified as Syrian, Jordanian, Lebanese, Egyptian etc depending on what they were calling themselves at any given time. There were references to the area as 'Palestine' but no autonomous nation called "Palestine."

None of which means there shouldn't be a Palestinian nation, but it should be noted for context.

Edited July 4, 2011 by ready4ONE

[Golden Gate 530]

<br />First off I want to state that I believe the Palestinians should have a state.  With that said they and the rest of the Arabs brought this upon themselves.  People can cry about the Jewish diaspora immigrating to Israel, but it's a proven fact that those people have ties to Israel starting with their <b>DNA</b>.   Now when Israel was declared a state, Arab nations such as the North African nations took it upon themselves to massacre thousands of Jews, and then steal everything they had.  Libya is a prime example of this.   <br /><br />You know how to read a map?  I hope so for the fact Arabs have a very short and selective memory. One thing Iv'e learned is never gamble if you can't handle losing.  The Arabs gambled more than once, and they lost. <br /><br /><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e5/1948_Arab_Israeli_War_-_May_15-June_10.svg/613px-1948_Arab_Israeli_War_-_May_15-June_10.svg.png" /><br /><br /><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_Declaration_of_Independence' class='bbc_url' title='External link' rel='nofollow external'>http://en.wikipedia....of_Independence</a><br /><br /><i>"Israeli Declaration of Independence"</i><br />

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Hmmmm. Did you even look at the website in my link?

[_Simpson_ 250]

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Hmmmm. Did you even look at the website in my link?

I briefly looked at it and it seemed one-sided. I dont think anyone is going to be impressed just because its written by Jews.