In the room with the man trying to kill you

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This is your direct QUOTE

It asserts:

- Jews comprised the majority of Bolsheviks

- Bolshevik Jews were guilty of brutal mass murder

As "evidence" you listed an assortment of names, some Jewish some not.

No one disputes that some Bolsheviks, including prominent ones like Trotsky, were Jewish.

You HAVE NOT made the case that Bolsheviks were "mainly" Jewish.

You HAVE NOT made the case that Jewish Bolsheviks bore primary responsibility for the mass deaths which occurred during Lenin and Stalin's regimes.

Evidence would take the form of a verifiable document that asserts "Number of Bolsheviks at date D was X. Number of Jewish Bolsheviks at that date was Y. Percentage of Jewish Bolsheviks was Y/X * 100", with that percentage being > 50%. You have not, because you CANNOT provide such evidence.

In contrast, I cite the following:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Get that?

* In 1917, 364/10,000 Bolsheviks were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* During the 1920s, 5 out of 23 Narkoms were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* In 1922, 5.21% of all Bolsheviks were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

* In 1929, 55 of approx. 600 Executive Committee members were Jewish. That is not "mainly"

Follow the wikipedia link - each of those footnotes is a verifiable source document for the statistic cited.

Common knowledge to you. I call BULLSHITE. Stalin was actively purging Jews at this point, most famously the sacking of (Jewish) Maxim Litvinov as Foreign Secretary and replacing him with (non-Jewish) Molotov in order to pacify Hitler and Ribbentrop, with whom he was interested in conducting a negotiation to dismember Poland. Molotov went on to architect the Katyn Massacre. Perhaps history would have been different had Litvinov been allowed to stay in office.

In summary, I call bullshite frontwards, backwards and sideways on your tripe.

Yes, there were Jewish Bolsheviks in rough proportion to their population in Russia at the time, and in the educated intelligencia of the day. Yes, first Lenin and then far more so Stalin, set up horrible authoritarian governments, imprisoned and tortured and murdered their own citizens. Yes, Jews were participants in the Soviet government. They were also among the Russian victims of that government. Jews most certainly did not lead or architect that butchery and to insinuate that is false. The motivations of one who would assert such things are as transparent as the lies are bold.

Irrelevant if it were true, as being the Jewish wife of a mass murderer does not implicate all Jews in the mass murder.

However, this is not true, it is a lie.

Georgian, not Jewish.

Russian/German/Romani/Georgian ancestry. Not Jewish.

Rather like someone here on this board .......

Jews did compromise the main body of the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks. Stalin did not purge Trotsky and his supporters for the fact the were Jewish in regards to contemplating Hitler, he purged them for the fact Trotsky tried to have Stalin removed. Stalin got the upper hand and purged Trotsky and anyone closely associated with him. Stalin was a freak in regards to he killed anyone who thought might be a threat to him and power. Neither did Stalin purge all Jews, or even most Jews from the Communist party...he only purged Trotskyites.

Did you see that list I posted up above of who's who in the Communist party? Well the Bolsheviks that were in control of the food requisition were mainly Jewish. When peeps started dying like fly's due to these food requisitions, it was the Jewish organizations in the US that started sending money to the Kremlin in order to give Jews a better chance of survival. Nothing wrong with that, it's survival ...eat or die. But even before that Jewish organizations were sending money to support the Bolshevik cause in Russia.

There are a few reasons for that. The "Jewish Pale" in Tsarist Russia, and Pogroms were the main reason for this. Bolsheviks promised Jews a autonomous state in Russia Far East for their support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast <------ Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia.

Here's some more info for you. You know the state of Israel yes? Well it was Jewish Communist and Partisans (Zionist) that did the brunt of the training/fighting when the UN declared a Jewish state. There are many ties between Russia and Israel. If you have ever been to Israel I'm sure you have noticed the large Russian and Ukrainian population there. Mafia for the most part. These are the same Russian Jews who run the White Slave market in Israel, Turkey, Dubai, UAE, etc....

Also it's a well known fact that Jewish organizations in the US supplied Bolsheviks with money. It was the Jewish "Kibbutz" that led to the idea of a "Commune" as in "Communist".

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html <---- Here's a good read for you.

"The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

http://blogs.jta.org/philanthropy/article/2010/03/22/1011286/chicago-based-organization-to-help-jews-in-former-soviet-union-to-close <---- Here's a Chicago based Jewish organization that helped Jews migrate from the USSR to Israel and later on Russia to Israel. This organization not only helped Jews into Israel, but (unknowingly maybe?) helped a lot of Russian mafia migrate to Israel and Brighton Beach, NY.

Back the Jews and Communism though... When Jews were being persecuted in Tsarist Russia they saw Communism as a way out of the misery that Tsarist Russia had been putting them through. Russia was rampant with anti Semites and they were continually persecuting Jews for anything and everything.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organization_for_Jewish_Colonisation_in_the_Soviet_Union <----- Organization for Jewish Colonization in Russia

"The Organization for Jewish Colonization in Russia (Idishe Kolonizatsie Organizatsie in Rusland), commonly known by its transliterated acronym of ICOR, was a Communist-sponsored mass organization in North America devoted to supporting settlement in the Jewish socialist republic of Birobidzhan in the Soviet Union. The organization was founded in the United States in 1924 and soon spread to Russia."

So yes, not all Germans were NAZI's, and not all Jews were Bolsheviks. Yet a large part of Germans committed atrocity's against the human race including Jews, Slavs, Roma, Gays, etc.. and yes many Jews committed crimes against humanity against the peoples of Belarusia, Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Poland, Russia, etc... horrific barbaric crimes of cruelty.

I can go on and on if you want me to with plenty of links from reputable sources including US university professors. You can yell "Holocaust" all you want, but also remember the millions of people who suffered and even perished under Jewish dominated Bolshevism.

I am truly surprised though for someone like yourself who post every educated and well meaning post such as you is completely oblivious to the Jewish role in Bolshevism. In fact I am almost in shock...and I do not mean that in jest. You have proven yourself a educated and intelligent person on here time after time, so it's for that reason I find it amazing that you aren't so well read on Eastern European Jews.

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http://www.forward.com/articles/2461/

Poland Gives Up Campaign To Extradite Israeli Citizen

By Shoshana Olidort

Published July 29, 2005, issue of July 29, 2005.

Polish authorities appear to have given up their efforts to extradite an Israeli citizen accused of committing crimes “against the Polish nation.”

Israel’s ambassador to Poland, David Peleg, told the Forward that the Polish Ministry of Justice has agreed to drop its efforts to extradite Solomon Morel, a Polish Jew living in Israel, who allegedly was involved in the deaths of 1,695 prisoners at the Stalinist Swietochlowice-Zgoda camp where he was stationed as a commander in the aftermath of World War II.

Poland’s most recent appeal for the extradition was denied by the Israeli Justice Ministry in a letter citing a statute of limitations that makes the extradition “neither possible under Israeli law, nor required under the Extradition Convention.” It was the second time Israel denied the request, which Poland first submitted in 1998.

Ewa Koj, prosecutor at Poland’s Institute for National Remembrance, criticized Israel’s policy standards.

“There should be one measure for judging war criminals, whether they are German, Israeli or of any other nationality,” Koj said.

But Israel and its allies in the United States argue that the evidence against Morel is weak.

“We have to look at the political agenda being advanced by political parties,” and be “very careful in establishing whether the motive for attempts at prosecution are political or judicial,” said Elan Steinberg, executive emeritus and former president of the World Jewish Congress. Steinberg said the Morel case has been “abused in order to draw equivalencies between the Holocaust and what Jews did to others after the Holocaust.” In addition, he said, the case has been used as “part of an effort of Holocaust denial.”

Efraim Zuroff, director of the Israeli branch of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, said that he is “not opposed in principle to the extradition of Jews from Israel for war crimes.” But Zuroff added that the fact that Poland changed its initial charge of torture to genocide –– in what he described as an effort to exert pressure on Israel –– creates doubts about the legitimacy of the initial charges.

Polish officials did not return calls seeking comment.

Zuroff pointed to similar extradition requests by Lithuania of two Israeli citizens accused of crimes allegedly committed while serving in the Soviet security apparatus. Israel denied the request, citing Lithuania’s apparent antisemitic motivations, after finding that none of the 25 Lithuanian officers of equivalent or higher ranks ever was investigated.

According to Zuroff, Lithuania’s request was an effort on the part of the Lithuanian government to “create a balance or symmetry with the insistence by Jewish organizations to prosecute” Nazi war criminals. A similar agenda might have been behind Poland’s request, Zuroff said, pointing out that the request came during the same week that Poland requested the extradition from Costa Rica of the Nazi war criminal Bohdan Koziy.

In its letter to the Polish government, the Israeli Justice Ministry said it has fully investigated the charges, and found there “to be no basis to charge Mr. Morel with serious crimes, let alone crimes of ‘genocide’ or ‘crimes against the Polish nation.’”

If anything, Israel sees Morel as a victim of Polish collaboration with the Nazis. Israeli officials say Morel is a survivor of Auschwitz who witnessed the murder of his parents, brother and sister-in-law by a Polish police officer during the war. His other brother later was killed by a Polish fascist. Poland denies that Morel or any member of his family ever was incarcerated in the infamous death camp.

According to the Israeli Justice Ministry, only 600 prisoners, including “Nazi collaborators,” were housed in the Zgoda camp, “and their numbers remained unchanged during the period Morel served as Commander,” from March 1945 to December 1945. As a result, the Israeli ministry argued in its letter, a death toll of 1,695 is impossible.

In light of Morel’s “personal and historical background,” the Israeli Justice Ministry argued in its letter that Poland’s extradition request was “both disturbing and saddening.” The ministry also asserted that the case “raises many questions concerning the events of the era immediately following World War II, during which approximately 1,000 Jews were murdered by Polish citizens in Poland,” with many of those responsible never having been brought to justice

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http://www.forward.com/articles/2461/

Ironic isn't it? Israel uses the same excuses as does Germany in regards to defending it's own. Does it state in there that Poland has evidence of Morels crimes? Hard evidence...as in eye witnesses who were kept in that camp along with death certificates of peeps that maniac butchered.

The Germans are no different with their NAZI's though. Germany has a history of hiding it's own while persecuting peeps such as John Demjanjuk with evidence only Mickey Mouse could admire....yet organizations such as the Wiesenthal hailed as a victory for victims of the Holocaust.

As for the other chap in regards to the Rannaii Massacre...well Baltic peoples are very anti Semetic and I don't doubt he would end up with a case whether he was guilty or not. The Baltics aren't sure who they have it in for more...Russians or Jews. They still harbor hard feelings against both, yet it was Baltic Waffen SS that committed some of the most horrific acts against Jews of all the peoples...yet Nuremburg cleared them of their crimes. It was a trade off so that the West didn't call Stalin on the Katyn Massacre even though everyone and their brother knew Stalin was guilty of that massacre.

Again it's two evils. NAZI's and Bolsheviks. Both equally evil and both guilty of genocide. Holocaust and Holodomor. Millions dead because of two barbaric regimes. It's the past yet it still plays a part in today's decisions. A part of history that should never be forgotten, and never repeated.

If you ever get the time, there's a book by George Orwell titled "The Animal Farm". Great read in regards to satire on Bolshevism, and no it has no mention of Jews in it. It's the concept of Communism.

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Jews did compromise the main body of the Bolsheviks and Mensheviks.

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Did you see that list I posted up above of who's who in the Communist party? Well the Bolsheviks that were in control of the food requisition were mainly Jewish.

CITE!

I cited contrary evidence which flatly disproves the first statement, a baseless lie. You state baseless claims. Repeating those claims over and over on the Internet does not make them true, no matter how often you repeat them.

Stalin did not purge Trotsky and his supporters for the fact the were Jewish in regards to contemplating Hitler, he purged them for the fact Trotsky tried to have Stalin removed.

If you are unable to distinguish the difference between Leon Trotsky (7 November 1879 – 21 August 1940), born Lev Davidovich Bronshtein, and an entirely different person - Maxim Maximovich Litvinov (17 July 1876–31 December 1951) , then there is clearly no hope of even pretending that we can discuss facts here.

Stalin got the upper hand and purged Trotsky and anyone closely associated with him. Stalin was a freak in regards to he killed anyone who thought might be a threat to him and power. Neither did Stalin purge all Jews, or even most Jews from the Communist party...he only purged Trotskyites.

Stalin was a murderous, odious control freak. Ok, something we do agree on. He purged plenty of non-Trotsky Jews too, Litvinov among them.

Jewish organizations in the US that started sending money to the Kremlin in order to give Jews a better chance of survival. Nothing wrong with that, it's survival ...eat or die.

Jews have always had a tradition of helping their own oppressed. Whether it was medieval Christians imprisoning and ransoming Jews, or North African or al Andalus Berbers doing the same. Kol Yisrael arevim ze la ze.

Bolsheviks promised Jews a autonomous state in Russia Far East for their support.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast <------ Jewish Autonomous Oblast in Russia.

That is true. It's also a relatively minor footnote in history, and not related in any substantive way whatsoever to the mass murders and starvation in the USSR during Stalin's reign, nor to the supposed dominance of Jews in the Bolshevik government of the USSR which you FALSELY profess.

Here's some more info for you. You know the state of Israel yes? Well it was Jewish Communist and Partisans (Zionist) that did the brunt of the training/fighting when the UN declared a Jewish state.

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There are many ties between Russia and Israel. If you have ever been to Israel I'm sure you have noticed the large Russian and Ukrainian population there. Mafia for the most part. These are the same Russian Jews who run the White Slave market in Israel, Turkey, Dubai, UAE, etc....

You blend in "Communists" and "Partisans (Zionists)" just so effortlessly there, don't you? Without having the foggiest whatcha talking about. The Yishuv, by definition, was Zionist. That's what Zionists are: we are Jews who long for our ancient birthright homeland and strive to recreate it. Zionists of that era absolutely included Jews from every country of the Diaspora, and of every political persuasion in the spectrum and every religious shading as well. From pork-eating kibbutz dwelling Marxist, to Hashomer Hatzair, to Habonim to Bnei Akiva and Hapoel Hamizrachi and on and on. Yes, Israel has long had a tradition of left leaning intellectuals and leadership. Many were openly Communist. That didn't make them Bolshevik, certainly not in the evil Stalinist sense you impute. And it never made Israel a Communist state.

Have I ever been to Israel? Dude, I've lived there for 12 years. Those Russian Jews you are talking about - include friends and family of mine. My great uncle, after being trapped as a Refusnik in Russia up until Glasnost, came to Israel in the 1990s with his daughter and two granchildren. No mafioso he, just a humble pensioner who lived out his last years in Netanya, z"l. Are there evil Russian mobsters who came to Israel? Sure. There are also electrical engineers, computer scientists, doctors, architects, concert pianists and garbage collectors. Also prostitutes, massage girls, taxi drivers, 2-bit thieves, crooked politicians (Avigdor Liebermann) and every other segment of society is represented. Your vast sweeping incriminating generalizations come from an all too familiar cesspool.

You can yell "Holocaust" all you want, but also remember the millions of people who suffered and even perished under Jewish dominated Bolshevism.

Millions of people perished and suffered under Lenin, Stalin, Khruschov, Brehznev, Andropov and their ilk over decades. Stalin in particular will go down in history among the most odious butchers humanity has ever had to endure. Bringing the phrase "Jewish Bolshevism" into this otherwise correct sentiment only shows you for who and what you are.

I am truly surprised though for someone like yourself who post every educated and well meaning post such as you is completely oblivious to the Jewish role in Bolshevism. In fact I am almost in shock...and I do not mean that in jest. You have proven yourself a educated and intelligent person on here time after time, so it's for that reason I find it amazing that you aren't so well read on Eastern European Jews.

Maybe the fact that I actually AM an Ashkenazi Jew who has been studying and aware of my people's history since grade school might allay your fears that I'm somehow ignorant of my own identity. You on the other hand have been spending far too much time on all the wrong sorts of websites spreading all the worst kinds of insidious lies. You don't do a very good job of repeating them, I may add.

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If you ever get the time, there's a book by George Orwell titled "The Animal Farm". Great read in regards to satire on Bolshevism, and no it has no mention of Jews in it. It's the concept of Communism.

That's rich. You're giving me a suggested reading list.

I'm well aware of Animal Farm (no "The"), Nineteen Eight-Four, The Road to Wigan Pier.

Orwell (Eric Arthur Blair) had decided socialist leanings when he wrote Wigan Pier. It was witnessing the depredations of Stalinism that made clear to him how the ideology was being corrupted by the authoritarian state and was the influence for his later works.

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CITE!

I cited contrary evidence which flatly disproves the first statement, a baseless lie. You state baseless claims. Repeating those claims over and over on the Internet does not make them true, no matter how often you repeat them.

NAME NATIONALITY

Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Lourie (Larine) Jew

Ouritski Jew

Volodarski Jew

Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew

Smidovitch Jew

Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew

Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew

Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian/Jew

Krylenko Russian

Lounatcharski Russian

"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY

President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian

Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian

Agriculture Protian Armenian

Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew

Food Schlichter Jew

Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

State Control Lander Jew

State Lands Kauffman Jew

Works V. Schmidt Jew

Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess

Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian

Religions Spitzberg Jew

Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Hygiene Anvelt Jew

Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew

Press Volodarski Jew

Elections Ouritski Jew

Justice I. Steinberg Jew

Refugees Fenigstein Jew

Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew

Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110614/wl_time/08599207741300#mwpphu-container <----- Even Lenin had Jewish roots.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html <-----"The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

If you are unable to distinguish the difference between Leon Trotsky (7 November 1879 – 21 August 1940), born Lev Davidovich Bronshtein, and an entirely different person - Maxim Maximovich Litvinov (17 July 1876–31 December 1951) , then there is clearly no hope of even pretending that we can discuss facts here.

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/RUSpurge.htm

The Great Purge

"In January, 1937, Karl Radek and sixteen other leading members of the Communist Party were put on trial. They were accused of working with Leon Trotsky in an attempt to overthrow the Soviet government with the objective of restoring capitalism. Thirteen of the accused were found guilty and sentenced to death. Radek and two others were sentenced to ten years.

The next trial in March, 1938, involved twenty-one leading members of the party. This included Nickolai Bukharin, Alexei Rykov, Genrikh Yagoda, Nikolai Krestinsky and Christian Rakovsky. They were accused of being involved with Leon Trotsky in a plot against Joseph Stalin and with spying for foreign powers. They were all found guilty and were either executed or died in labour camps."

Stalin was a murderous, odious control freak. Ok, something we do agree on. He purged plenty of non-Trotsky Jews too, Litvinov among them.

Agreed

Jews have always had a tradition of helping their own oppressed. Whether it was medieval Christians imprisoning and ransoming Jews, or North African or al Andalus Berbers doing the same. Kol Yisrael arevim ze la ze.

Agreed

That is true. It's also a relatively minor footnote in history, and not related in any substantive way whatsoever to the mass murders and starvation in the USSR during Stalin's reign, nor to the supposed dominance of Jews in the Bolshevik government of the USSR which you FALSELY profess.

NAME NATIONALITY

Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Lourie (Larine) Jew

Ouritski Jew

Volodarski Jew

Rosenfeldt (Kamanef) Jew

Smidovitch Jew

Sverdlof (Yankel) Jew

Nakhamkes (Steklof) Jew

Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian/Jew

Krylenko Russian

Lounatcharski Russian

"The Council of the People's Commissars comprises the following:

MINISTRY NAME NATIONALITY

President Ulyanov (Lenin) Russian

Foreign Affairs Tchitcherine Russian

Nationalities Djugashvili (Stalin) Georgian

Agriculture Protian Armenian

Economic Council Lourie (Larine) Jew

Food Schlichter Jew

Army & Navy Bronstein (Trotsky) Jew

State Control Lander Jew

State Lands Kauffman Jew

Works V. Schmidt Jew

Social Relief E. Lelina (Knigissen) Jewess

Public Instruction Lounatcharsky Russian

Religions Spitzberg Jew

Interior Apfelbaum (Zinovief) Jew

Hygiene Anvelt Jew

Finance Isidore Goukovski Jew

Press Volodarski Jew

Elections Ouritski Jew

Justice I. Steinberg Jew

Refugees Fenigstein Jew

Refugees (assist.) Savitch Jew

Refugees (assist.) Zaslovski Jew

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html <-----"The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"

You blend in "Communists" and "Partisans (Zionists)" just so effortlessly there, don't you? Without having the foggiest whatcha talking about. The Yishuv, by definition, was Zionist. That's what Zionists are: we are Jews who long for our ancient birthright homeland and strive to recreate it. Zionists of that era absolutely included Jews from every country of the Diaspora, and of every political persuasion in the spectrum and every religious shading as well. From pork-eating kibbutz dwelling Marxist, to Hashomer Hatzair, to Habonim to Bnei Akiva and Hapoel Hamizrachi and on and on. Yes, Israel has long had a tradition of left leaning intellectuals and leadership. Many were openly Communist. That didn't make them Bolshevik, certainly not in the evil Stalinist sense you impute. And it never made Israel a Communist state.

Did I ever say Israel was a Communist state? I never even implied that, nor would I. I just stated that Israel harbors Jewish Bolshevik murders as like Germany does with it's NAZI criminals. As far as Zionist go...well you didn't post anything to refute my post. We both pointed out pretty much the same facts in that regard.

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Have I ever been to Israel? Dude, I've lived there for 12 years. Those Russian Jews you are talking about - include friends and family of mine. My great uncle, after being trapped as a Refusnik in Russia up until Glasnost, came to Israel in the 1990s with his daughter and two granchildren. No mafioso he, just a humble pensioner who lived out his last years in Netanya, z"l. Are there evil Russian mobsters who came to Israel? Sure. There are also electrical engineers, computer scientists, doctors, architects, concert pianists and garbage collectors. Also prostitutes, massage girls, taxi drivers, 2-bit thieves, crooked politicians (Avigdor Liebermann) and every other segment of society is represented. Your vast sweeping incriminating generalizations come from an all too familiar cesspool.

I never said all Russian Jews were criminals, but yes they seem to have a large criminal element in said population and those same criminals do control the White Slave market in many country's including across the Middle East.

Millions of people perished and suffered under Lenin, Stalin, Khruschov, Brehznev, Andropov and their ilk over decades. Stalin in particular will go down in history among the most odious butchers humanity has ever had to endure. Bringing the phrase "Jewish Bolshevism" into this otherwise correct sentiment only shows you for who and what you are.

LOL??? After Stalin the USSR was a breeze compared to the days of Lenin and Stalin. The labor camps gone after the death of Stalin. The USSR was never a breeze by any means, but it was a complete turn around for many after the death of Stalin. Twenty million deaths attributed to Stalin alone, but it was Lenin who started it with his Cheka and the "Red Terror". He was every bit the butcherer as Stalin was ...he just didn't live long enough to tally Stalin's numbers. And yes Jews were in the thick of it. Bolshevik Jews starving little children to death, parents cooking up family members in order to survive. Jews were in it up to their eyeballs. These same Jews/Zionist who helped start up the state of Israel. Cold blooded genocidal maniacs...

http://desip.igc.org/HolocaustAndHolodomor.html

(“Jews were . . . disproportionately prominent among the Bolsheviks, notably in their leadership, among their tax- and grain-gathering officials, and especially in the despised and feared. . . secret police [emphasis added]”); Montefiore, Red Tsar, above, p. 305 (as late as 1937, Jews accounted for only 5.7 percent of Soviet party members, but “formed a majority in the government” [emphasis added]); Yuri Slezkine, The Jewish Century, p. 254 (Princeton University Press, 2004)(the secret police was “one of the most Jewish of all Soviet institutions”); and Arno J. Mayer, Why Did the Heavens Not Darken?, p. 60 (1988)(“As of the late twenties . . . [a] disproportionate number of Jews came to hold high posts in the secret police and to serve as political commissars in the armed services. They. . . were. . . appointed to high-level and conspicuous positions which called for unimpeach-able political loyalty. . . ”). Mayer, a professor emeritus of history at Princeton, is himself Jewish, and had to flee the Nazis as a refugee.

The Israeli writer Boas Evron says the leaders of the Soviet revolution were scarcely less Jewish than the Zionists. See his book Jewish State or Israeli Nation?, p. 107 (English tr., Indiana University Press, 1995): “The backgrounds of the two groups were much the same. . . . Only differences of chance and temperament caused the one [individual] to be a Zionist and the other a revolutionary socialist.”

On February 8, 1920, Winston Churchill published an article, “Zionism Versus Bolshevism: A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People,” in the Illustrated Sunday Herald (London), reprinted in Lenni Brenner, ed., 51 Documents: Zionist Collaboration with the Nazis, p. 23 (2002). Among other things, Churchill said (pp. 25-26):

There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshe-vism. . . by. . . international and for the most part atheistical Jews. . . . t probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin [who had a Jewish grandfather and by some accounts a Jewish wife], the major-ity of leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. . . . And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism. . . has been taken by Jews. . . . The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey on the temporary prostration of the German people. (Emphasis added.)

Churchill’s views, as expressed here, resemble those of the Times of London’s correspondent in Russia, Robert Wilton. See George Gustav Telberg and Robert Wilton, The Last Days of the Romanovs (1920), esp. pp. 222-30, 391 (“[t]aken according to numbers of population, the Jews represented one in ten; among the komisars that rule Bolshevik Russia they are nine in ten—if anything, the proportion of Jews is still higher”), 392-93 and 400. The French version of the book, Les Derniers Jours des Romanofs, also published in 1920, contains a list of 556 top figures in the Bolshevik regime, classified by ethnicity. The Jewish proportion is a bit over eight in ten, including two-thirds of the leadership of the secret police. The non-Jews are divided among various small categories—Russian, Lett, Armenian, German, Georgian, etc. The list is absent from the slightly later English and American editions, but is available online. See also John F. O’Conor, The Sokolov Investigation (1971)(a translation, with commentary, of sections of Nikolai Sokolov’s Enquête judiciaire sur l'assassinat de la famille impériale Russe), especially for the comments of O’Conor and his sources on Wilton.[1]

Maybe the fact that I actually AM an Ashkenazi Jew who has been studying and aware of my people's history since grade school might allay your fears that I'm somehow ignorant of my own identity. You on the other hand have been spending far too much time on all the wrong sorts of websites spreading all the worst kinds of insidious lies. You don't do a very good job of repeating them, I may add.

You are either a liar or ignorant not to mention you have resorted to lies and personal attacks against me. Anyone who has a clue on the history of Eastern Europe, USSR, Eastern European Jews, etc.. knows d@mn well the part the Jews played in Bolshevism. Now what is it? Are you lying about what you know, or are you ignorant of those facts?

As far as me spreading lies on insidious sites...I take that as a lie and a personal attack. You have gone to the gutter just for the fact you got your feathers ruffled over truths that I have posted on this thread. I have never posted nor frequented any kind of anti Semetic site nor any kind of racist site. I have not posted anything on this thread that was anti Semitic...I have posted well known history facts. I call it like it is. All peoples have their skeletons in the closet and nobody is above the law imo nor should history be told as a lie to placate a few pr*cks who take any negative history in regards to Jews as being "anti Semetic".

I have been a member of Charter97 for years now, and was a supporter of the Orange Revolution in Ukraine. I also supported the relocation of the statue known as the Bronze Occupier in Estonia and have been lucky enough to converse with Estonians that played a part in the relocation of said statue. I have been involved in the goings on in Eastern Europe for years now. It helps to know the history and back ground of the people you support, and the people you don't. Russia being one country I cannot support in just about anything. Russia...a country that I do not have much good to say...the same goes with Belarus. Both countries being led by Anti Semetics. Lukashenko of Belarus is not only a fan of Stalin and Hitler, he's about as anti Jewish as it gets. He's bulldozed god only knows how many Jewish cemetery's since he came to power. I was lucky enough to speak to a few members of a Jewish foundation on the plane ride from Frankfurt to Minsk in regards to this. It's also on the net.

You have taken this to a new low.

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Jews have always had a tradition of helping their own oppressed.

Yet when Muslims do it it's called terrorism.

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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Sounds like someone lost there temper and came up with this weak a s s excuse.

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Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuure. Sounds like someone lost there temper and came up with this weak a s s excuse.

Or maybe has a teenager in the house. . . a friend of mine had the same thing happen to her recently when she found her 13 year old son making posts - and not nice ones - under her name on one of her business sites. Neither of them were happy campers for a while after that .

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Or maybe has a teenager in the house. . . a friend of mine had the same thing happen to her recently when she found her 13 year old son making posts - and not nice ones - under her name on one of her business sites. Neither of them were happy campers for a while after that .

Not good. My son has aways to go until the dreaded teen years, I will enjoy this time as much as humanly possible.

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