Disgusting Van with Graffiti across from my house

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think you have a penchant for extravagant assumption, Gary. I rather doubt you'd hold to the libertarian ideals if you lived next door to rowdy neighbours who play loud music, argue late at night and leave their front lawn unmaintained. When their choices affect your quality of life (and your property price) you'll whine like the rest.

[SMR 368]

I think you have a penchant for extravagant assumption, Gary. I rather doubt you'd hold to the libertarian ideals if you lived next door to rowdy neighbours who play loud music, argue late at night and leave their front lawn unmaintained. When their choices affect your quality of life (and your property price) you'll whine like the rest.

Whether or not Gary would do that is beside the point. The OP states that the libertarian wants to block him in and the conservative wants to shoot out his tires. Whether or not the OP or Gary or anyone else would actually do those things, those aren't libertarian things to do (in the abstract sense of libertarian). If we're talking social conservative, I can see how that would be conservative but it also doesn't fit into the idea of fiscal conservative.

[ScottThuy 140]

They park in front of your house because they know you will keep an eye on it and it will be safer than where it was before. Maybe you can get a free lunch out of it every now and then..

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Whether or not Gary would do that is beside the point. The OP states that the libertarian wants to block him in and the conservative wants to shoot out his tires. Whether or not the OP or Gary or anyone else would actually do those things, those aren't libertarian things to do (in the abstract sense of libertarian). If we're talking social conservative, I can see how that would be conservative but it also doesn't fit into the idea of fiscal conservative.

Did it occur to you that it wasn't a comment that is intended for serious scrutiny. Do you honestly think you can determine someone's politics by such things?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Did it occur to you that it wasn't a comment that is intended for serious scrutiny. Do you honestly think you can determine someone's politics by such things?

Yes, it occurred to me.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You can, exactly, determine one's politics by their approach to problems. In this case, the OPs approach was entirely a liberal, government based solution. There is absolutely ZERO individual effort or attempt to solve the "problem". Which, in fact, is not even a "problem" if one minds their own business and lives one's own life. The liberal solution to a Problem = call the government. The OP does not even know what a libertarian would do.

[The Dude 206]

Call the police? Why didn't I think of that? That is just what our police need to be doing.

In Vermont we have almost no crime because people carry guns and police do not trouble themselves with whiners calling about graffiti on peoples vans (not even the cars filled with liberal bumper stickers)Maybe other states ought to try it.

Gary, you further illustrate your fundamental ignorance on this subject. Vermont has virtually no crime because it has virtually no population, and no urban areas to speak of.

As a serious response, the police won't do anything until an actual crime is commited. Depending on your city's laws regarding parking, he can stay there indefinitely, as long as he moves his car every so often to comply with city ordinances. I had a neighbor years ago, who despite being unemployed, owned 7 cars, all beat up. He would park 4 in front of my house, each and every day. The police told us that since the cars were registered, and he was moving them ever 72 hours in compliance with city laws, they couldn't tow him. He didn't appreciate the grease pen messages I left on his windshield, and finally moved the cars.

Edited June 6, 2011 by The Dude

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You can, exactly, determine one's politics by their approach to problems. In this case, the OPs approach was entirely a liberal, government based solution. There is absolutely ZERO individual effort or attempt to solve the "problem". Which, in fact, is not even a "problem" if one minds their own business and lives one's own life. The liberal solution to a Problem = call the government. The OP does not even know what a libertarian would do.

Gary, do you actually believe this garbage you wrote?

You read a less than serious comment that references Libertarianism and you conjure up some bizarre fantasy, where you claim full knowledge of the OPs politics. You're being insane and inane all at once!

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

You are not a Libertarian. A Libertarian would realize it is his neighbors right and live his own life. Conservatives do not use their guns to damage other people's property. You are clearly not a conservative or responsible gun owner. You are obviously a liberal that thinks you have to decide everything for everyone else, and you have decided he cannot have this vehicle. You think it is good to confiscate money that people EARN so the "government can make a little money" You probably think national health care is a good thing.

How about minding your own business...OR, sell your property and MOVE? THEN you can say you are a Libertarian.

Call the police? Why didn't I think of that? That is just what our police need to be doing.

In Vermont we have almost no crime because people carry guns and police do not trouble themselves with whiners calling about graffiti on peoples vans (not even the cars filled with liberal bumper stickers)Maybe other states ought to try it.

Seriously? I find it absolutely hilarious that you couldn't tell my original post was a joke and then you rant on about healthcare, vermont, guns and crime. Your like an automated phone service where if certain key words are used the service then spits out a prerecorded message.

Anyway, from what my neighbor said, if a few households complain the police will tag the vehicles to have them moved. They aren't passenger vehicles, they are all about size of a large Fedex truck. My assumption was until I talked to my neighbor that they couldn't be parked on the street long term. Two of the three haven't moved for over a month.

[The Dude 206]

Seriously? I find it absolutely hilarious that you couldn't tell my original post was a joke and then you rant on about healthcare, vermont, guns and crime. Your like an automated phone service where if certain key words are used the service then spits out a prerecorded message.

Anyway, from what my neighbor said, if a few households complain the police will tag the vehicles to have them moved. They aren't passenger vehicles, they are all about size of a large Fedex truck. My assumption was until I talked to my neighbor that they couldn't be parked on the street long term. Two of the three haven't moved for over a month.

Where I live, and where I work, it is 72 hours. I have seen people who will move their cars every 71 hours, 58 minutes, just to avoid the tickets.

[Darnell 8,478]

If the grafitti is some 'local gang tag' then suggest you call the police, report a 'tagging incident' to the 'gang task force' there.

IMO, if you get 10 of yer neighbors to report it, some one will come out.

[The Dude 206]

If the grafitti is some 'local gang tag' then suggest you call the police, report a 'tagging incident' to the 'gang task force' there.

IMO, if you get 10 of yer neighbors to report it, some one will come out.

Come out? Yes. Affect the desired changes? Maybe in Mayberry. But if you live in a metro area, the cops will simply placate you because, well, they have better things to do.

[SMR 368]

Did it occur to you that it wasn't a comment that is intended for serious scrutiny. Do you honestly think you can determine someone's politics by such things?

I didn't say anything about determining someone's political standpoint (it does say something about his understanding of different political ideologies). I find it frustrating when someone makes a senseless, inane statement and then when someone calls him or her out on it they say it was a joke, etc. No it wasn't a joke. Maybe it wasn't intended for serious scrutiny, but in this case it really just doesn't make sense, nor is it witty, funny, or insightful. All it shows is that the OP has no real concept of what libertarianism is.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I didn't say anything about determining someone's political standpoint (it does say something about his understanding of different political ideologies). I find it frustrating when someone makes a senseless, inane statement and then when someone calls him or her out on it they say it was a joke, etc. No it wasn't a joke. Maybe it wasn't intended for serious scrutiny, but in this case it really just doesn't make sense, nor is it witty, funny, or insightful. All it shows is that the OP has no real concept of what libertarianism is.

Oh please

Since it wasn't exactly a thesis on libertarian theory (and why would it be) it means precisely nothing beyond the meaning it had to the person who wrote it. Whatever meanings you (and Gary) are attaching to it are your own - but in doing so you are going far beyond what was actually written. Don't you see how ridiculous you're being!?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Seriously? I find it absolutely hilarious that you couldn't tell my original post was a joke and then you rant on about healthcare, vermont, guns and crime. Your like an automated phone service where if certain key words are used the service then spits out a prerecorded message.

Push... 1... for... Libertarianism: "Pro CHOICE! I'm pro choice, I believe in CHOICE, why don't you believe in CHOICE!"

Push... 2... for... Guns: "Concealed carry" "Vermont!!!"

Push... 3... for... The Environment: "Send money!"

Push... 4... for... Women's Rights: "Mini skirts and hooker thigh boots = feminism"

Push... 5... for... Illegal Immigration: "Why do you support the exploitation of human beings?"

etc. etc.

Edited June 6, 2011 by fishdude