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[Tim/Mav 305]

:rofl: :rofl:

Seriously guys? To be honest, Tim, I have read confusing and contradictory posts from you in other threads as well.

OP, good luck! My fiance is not fond of photos either and we only sent a couple. Although we have been together for several years, half of which we both spent in the US while at university, our pictures were primarily from a couple months preceding our petition submission. Ideally I would have preferred photographs to cover the course of our relationships, but you just have to work with what you have. Don't stress too much and enjoy your next trip to the Phils.

You just stated: Yes we sent pictures. Hello ... Topic is Pictures... Good luck on your NOA2. I'm waiting also. Yes, I sent pictures.

[pushbrk 13,178]

Of course I responded to post 17. That's what started all this back and forth between you and me. Pay attention.

[pushbrk 13,178]

Jay, I suggest you read the posts more carefully and then type later. That is Not what they say. Then try again and then give the OP a Gift from your Mouth. Read the Thread more Carefully.

He actually quoted the posts for you. Perhaps YOU need to read again.

The OP has a significant amount of what USCIS considers primary evidence of meeting. That would be several boarding passes, and a passport with 8 entry and 8 exit stamps, all since 2009. Since we're both recommending the OP go ahead and file anyway, it still escapes me why the debate continues. You do know that if there's an RFE for photos as evidence of meeting in person during the two years prior to filing the petition, that photos taken AFTER filing will not satisfy that request, right?

So, RFE or not, the OP has primary evidence and no photos and WILL have no photos that will do him any good until the interview. Get it?

[sam357 4]

I just got my NOA2 a couple of weeks ago and I did not send in one picture. I have been with my lady for over two years and like you I hate taking pictures. I provided other evidence, my frequent flyer statement, lease of my apartment in PI and that was sufficient. When it is time for the interview I will be there as well because they will probably ask for pictures if she goes alone. However, from talking with others if you go to the interview they really ask the USC most of the questions.

[Tim/Mav 305]

He actually quoted the posts for you. Perhaps YOU need to read again.

The OP has a significant amount of what USCIS considers primary evidence of meeting. That would be several boarding passes, and a passport with 8 entry and 8 exit stamps, all since 2009. Since we're both recommending the OP go ahead and file anyway, it still escapes me why the debate continues. You do know that if there's an RFE for photos as evidence of meeting in person during the two years prior to filing the petition, that photos taken AFTER filing will not satisfy that request, right?

So, RFE or not, the OP has primary evidence and no photos and WILL have no photos that will do him any good until the interview. Get it?

So, Pushbrk. Do you know as I don't know, What was the date in 2009 ? (2 year requirement) The Petition is Null and Void if after 2 years PERIOD! If he has no proof between that 2 years of being in the Philipphines and much more Proof of meeting.

Don't give me a Plane Ticket, Don't give me a Hotel reciept or Boardind passes. Thats not proof of anything. USCIS will say this in time. SHOW US PROOF OF YOU TOGETHER and the rest will fall in place.

The Only way I know how to teach an Old Dog New Tricks is to Make Pulutan and get a New Puppy. LOL.

So, I still disagree and care not to discuss a matter when I'm open, but will not listen to a man that refuses to accept his own doubts about his expressions. Meaning: Though the paperwork don't require it.. What is Common Sense "Again"

The Petitioner should File the 129-F and get a head start if wanted, during that time go back to the Phils and get what he needs if he is serious.

There is Only one thing worse than a man that knows very little but never says nothing. It is the man that knows alot . (you get my point)

We all have our own separate Journeys here with different situations. We are here to make the best of it.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I just got my NOA2 a couple of weeks ago and I did not send in one picture. I have been with my lady for over two years and like you I hate taking pictures. I provided other evidence, my frequent flyer statement, lease of my apartment in PI and that was sufficient. When it is time for the interview I will be there as well because they will probably ask for pictures if she goes alone. However, from talking with others if you go to the interview they really ask the USC most of the questions.

Key word: They will probably ask for pictures.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I just got my NOA2 a couple of weeks ago and I did not send in one picture. I have been with my lady for over two years and like you I hate taking pictures. I provided other evidence, my frequent flyer statement, lease of my apartment in PI and that was sufficient. When it is time for the interview I will be there as well because they will probably ask for pictures if she goes alone. However, from talking with others if you go to the interview they really ask the USC most of the questions.

Sam, you will most likely NOT be Allowed to go into the interview or talk to the Consulate.

[pushbrk 13,178]

So, Pushbrk. Do you know as I don't know, What was the date in 2009 ? (2 year requirement) The Petition is Null and Void if after 2 years PERIOD! If he has no proof between that 2 years of being in the Philipphines and much more Proof of meeting.

Don't give me a Plane Ticket, Don't give me a Hotel reciept or Boardind passes. Thats not proof of anything. USCIS will say this in time. SHOW US PROOF OF YOU TOGETHER and the rest will fall in place.

The Only way I know how to teach an Old Dog New Tricks is to Make Pulutan and get a New Puppy. LOL.

So, I still disagree and care not to discuss a matter when I'm open, but will not listen to a man that refuses to accept his own doubts about his expressions. Meaning: Though the paperwork don't require it.. What is Common Sense "Again"

The Petitioner should File the 129-F and get a head start if wanted, during that time go back to the Phils and get what he needs if he is serious.

There is Only one thing worse than a man that knows very little but never says nothing. It is the man that knows alot . (you get my point)

We all have our own separate Journeys here with different situations. We are here to make the best of it.

You don't read well, do you? He's been there EIGHT times since 2009. While it's possible one or two of those trips was in the first half of 2009, unless all of them were, then he has several trips within the past two years. At least, that's how MY calendar reads. What does yours look like?

You predict USCIS will want photos as evidence of meeting but my far more experience says otherwise. Have you even SEEN an RFE for evidence of meeting in person? I've seen MANY posted here and through other sources. I've also read about denied petitions and the reasons in MANY official USCIS documents. In EVERY instance, photos together are stated to be secondary, while passport stamps, boarding passes and receipts in country are primary.

The fact remains that the OP has no photos and will have no photos as evidence of meeting. He's filing the petition anyway, which is what we both recommend. Are you ever going to tell me why you're continuing this debate?

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Yes Jim, there have been members asked for photos but many more NOT asked for any. Usually, when photos together are asked for it is as a part of an extensive RFE, not just a request for photos. The OP has evidence of meeting. We know from reading RFE's for evidence of meeting that "photos together" are considered secondary evidence and that passport stamps and boarding passes are primary.

Are YOU recommending they wait, make another visit and submit photos? If not, again, what is the argument about?

Yes, that's what I'm recommending. He can take some photos on his next trip, and file the I-129F after he returns. It's obvious from his opening post that he visits her frequently. It would be different if he went through the fires of hell to make his one and only trip, but that's obviously not the case here.

I don't know how many people have submitted a petition without photos and been approved. People don't often post about not getting an RFE. I don't recall any posts by anyone who specifically said they were approved without photos, but I don't doubt it happens. Since this is something that would be relatively easy for the OP to fix on his next trip, I don't see any reason to recommend he go ahead without fixing it first.

[Tim/Mav 305]

You don't read well, do you? He's been there EIGHT times since 2009. While it's possible one or two of those trips was in the first half of 2009, unless all of them were, then he has several trips within the past two years. At least, that's how MY calendar reads. What does yours look like?

You predict USCIS will want photos as evidence of meeting but my far more experience says otherwise. Have you even SEEN an RFE for evidence of meeting in person? I've seen MANY posted here and through other sources. I've also read about denied petitions and the reasons in MANY official USCIS documents. In EVERY instance, photos together are stated to be secondary, while passport stamps, boarding passes and receipts in country are primary.

The fact remains that the OP has no photos and will have no photos as evidence of meeting. He's filing the petition anyway, which is what we both recommend. Are you ever going to tell me why you're continuing this debate?

We FINALLY AGREED. File the Petition and and get what you need since it's 4 or 5 months down the Road. VERY GOOD.

Yes, that's what I'm recommending. He can take some photos on his next trip, and file the I-129F after he returns. It's obvious from his opening post that he visits her frequently. It would be different if he went through the fires of hell to make his one and only trip, but that's obviously not the case here.

I don't know how many people have submitted a petition without photos and been approved. People don't often post about not getting an RFE. I don't recall any posts by anyone who specifically said they were approved without photos, but I don't doubt it happens. Since this is something that would be relatively easy for the OP to fix on his next trip, I don't see any reason to recommend he go ahead without fixing it first.

Very Good Jim. To help the OP. We know this will happen at a later time.

[pushbrk 13,178]

We FINALLY AGREED. File the Petition and and get what you need since it's 4 or 5 months down the Road. VERY GOOD.

Very Good Jim. To help the OP. We know this will happen at a later time.

You still don't get it. Jim isn't agreeing with you. He's recommending the OP wait and file the petition after the next trip. Photos taken after the petition is filed are not evidence of meeting BEFORE the petition is filed. If he files now, he'll have no photo evidence of meeting prior to filing now OR later. If he takes photos later and submits them as evidence of meeting PRIOR to filing the petition, he'll be committing a material misrepresentation. How is it possible you don't understand this?

I disagree with Jim, and would recommend filing with a passport copy showing 8 visits to the PI along with whatever boarding passes and receipts he has.

I get where Jim is coming from, but I have access to significant information that comes from sources other than VJ members' posts and as such, consider it highly unlikely that this petitioner will have any issues related to photos during the petition approval process. If this were Vietnam, a MENA country or Nigeria, and there was only one or two short visits prior to filing, my recommendation would be different but only given the OP visits often anyway.

[googled 13]

Hello all

have been reading here for more than a year, and finally decided to move forward with our lives, so the k1 process is starting hoping to have all done and sent by this next week,

but i do have a few questions

1. i have seen her more than 8 times since 2009 but we do not have pictures together but we do have pics of each of us in same room so u see every thing is same in back ground,

but do have phone records, many plane stubs and copy of passport will that be enough as she is from the Philippines.

2. also packet is almost ready to go fingers crossed but very confused on where do i send it do i send it to the drop box location in tx as i am in seattle washington

thank u in advance

Before I filed I had a problem similar to yours. We had plenty of picture together, but in them we were not wearing any clothing whatsoever. I spent many hours carefully drawing shirts and pants on each of us. And the beach pictures were another issue. I was able to get the Bikini looking nice on her, but I tried and tried to get that Speedo to look good on me. I just could not pull it off. So I had to settle for trunks. Darn those extra chili dawgs.

[Tim/Mav 305]

You still don't get it. Jim isn't agreeing with you. He's recommending the OP wait and file the petition after the next trip. Photos taken after the petition is filed are not evidence of meeting BEFORE the petition is filed. If he files now, he'll have no photo evidence of meeting prior to filing now OR later. If he takes photos later and submits them as evidence of meeting PRIOR to filing the petition, he'll be committing a material misrepresentation. How is it possible you don't understand this?

I disagree with Jim, and would recommend filing with a passport copy showing 8 visits to the PI along with whatever boarding passes and receipts he has.

I get where Jim is coming from, but I have access to significant information that comes from sources other than VJ members' posts and as such, consider it highly unlikely that this petitioner will have any issues related to photos during the petition approval process. If this were Vietnam, a MENA country or Nigeria, and there was only one or two short visits prior to filing, my recommendation would be different but only given the OP visits often anyway.

Hindi... Means NO. The Petitioner has'nt even Filed the Application yet. That proof of 8 prior visits is just better Proof of a relationship IF THE PETITIONER Goes Back again. An American Passport goes back 10 years. Jim is Not wrong and you are a bit confused if the Petitioner goes back and gets proof.

My suggestion is to File the 129-F (Hopefully Complete) without pictures, though not required will give them a 4 to 5 month jumpstart on the awaiting of the NOA2. Then, assuming the Petitioner has pictures at the Interview (7 to 8 Months down the road) For her. And all the reciepts, etc, etc, for that visit. the requirements are meet.

Assume the NOA2 takes 5 months. Then, all the other things involved. It will be 7 to 10 months before the interview.

I suggest Filing the 129-F Now and make plans to Catch a Plane.

NO PETITION HAS EVEN BEEN FILED YET

[Tim/Mav 305]

Before I filed I had a problem similar to yours. We had plenty of picture together, but in them we were not wearing any clothing whatsoever. I spent many hours carefully drawing shirts and pants on each of us. And the beach pictures were another issue. I was able to get the Bikini looking nice on her, but I tried and tried to get that Speedo to look good on me. I just could not pull it off. So I had to settle for trunks. Darn those extra chili dawgs.

LOL.. hahahhahaaa.. On a Serious note. Don't come back with a Camera and a Memory Card. Develope the pictures there and get double's. And keep the memory card as well.

Oh, I don't look good in Speedo's either.

[danik713 21]

You just stated: Yes we sent pictures. Hello ... Topic is Pictures... Good luck on your NOA2. I'm waiting also. Yes, I sent pictures.

Hi Tim,

Yes, I know what the topic is, thank you for your not so kind reminder. Do you remember that you posed a new question in this thread - asking how many of you submitted your I-129F without [p]hotos? We sent a couple. A couple indicates two. So, I would be a tally in the column of petitioners who did include photos, Sam357 would be a tally in the other column of petitioners who did not include photos.

Sam357 -- thank you for sharing - it is encouraging and I for one appreciate it, even though I sent pictures it is not as many as is probably "normal" and has me a little nervous. Good luck with the interview, I hope you may attend with your lady.

googled... no words for you...

You still don't get it. Jim isn't agreeing with you. He's recommending the OP wait and file the petition after the next trip. Photos taken after the petition is filed are not evidence of meeting BEFORE the petition is filed. If he files now, he'll have no photo evidence of meeting prior to filing now OR later. If he takes photos later and submits them as evidence of meeting PRIOR to filing the petition, he'll be committing a material misrepresentation.

pushbrk has it exactly right. If the petition is filed now and no RFE, awesome - in the clear and hello Embassy. If the petition is filed now and a RFE is issued for photos any photos submitted taken after the date the I-129F was filed will be material misrepresentation. I would take the chance and file now. If you receive an RFE, be honest in your reply - you may get by. We are all human and an adjudicator may be reasonable and understanding. If you get stuck between a rock and a hard place then you are only out the petition fee of $340 as you'd be making the trip to see your love regardless - so that doesn't quantify as an additional expense.