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Hello all

have been reading here for more than a year, and finally decided to move forward with our lives, so the k1 process is starting hoping to have all done and sent by this next week,

but i do have a few questions

1. i have seen her more than 8 times since 2009 but we do not have pictures together but we do have pics of each of us in same room so u see every thing is same in back ground,

but do have phone records, many plane stubs and copy of passport will that be enough as she is from the Philippines.

2. also packet is almost ready to go fingers crossed but very confused on where do i send it do i send it to the drop box location in tx as i am in seattle washington

thank u in advance

It is entirely up to you which advice you take about sending in that petition without pictures of you two together. I just wanted to add that I have spoken to many on this site and read many different embassy reviews. At the interview, people have reported that they have taken many different types of evidence to prove that they have a relationship; chat logs, phone records, email, photos, etc. Many have said that most of the evidence is never looked at, but they always look and ask questions about the pictures. If it were me I would plan on going there and coming back with at least 100 different pictures of you two together that way you are covered.

[Tim/Mav 305]

Remember the OP's First POST. Subject..

2009 . 2009 when? No Petition has been Filed yet.

I grew-up in a large family and we Only had One bathroom. So I remember as a child. Shee...t Or get off the Pot! Theres one in line behind you.

[cardigans5 43]

You've seen her 18 times and not even a cell phone pic together? So you're engaged and in pics from a gathering you're not even sitting together {but both in the same room}? It's not even my job and it's hard for me to believe this relationship is genuine...what will an officer think if she gets to interview? I wish you the best!

[Tim/Mav 305]

Passport stamps, visas, and boarding passes are also not mentioned in the I-129F instructions - anywhere. All it says is "Provide copies of evidence that you and your fiancé(e) have personally met within the last two years".

There have been VJ members who have gotten RFE's for photos.

Good Advice Jim. PROOF. Not that VJ Outline #######. Common Sense you have a relationship.

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

Love is Patience. It would be best to send all at once in one packet.

Ignore all those Members that have all those CUTE Hearts on their Names. They don't care about you. It's the Members that are going through this that need good information but these other Members already have their Brides/Wifes home and just talk BS.

If you can go to the Philippines again that would be great.

You will Find that Members in the K-1 process will better help. Alot of those OLD Members don't help.

I totally disagree with this. I read through this site, spending hours upon hours soaking up everything I could before I sent off my I-129F petition. What I read on here helped me out immensely, and I am grateful that they took the time to post here.

Those "OLD" members have been through it, seen lots of other people go through it, and have a very good understanding of what is needed. I have never seen any of them just spout off BS, or try and misinform anyone. They post here to help, period. Why would they post if they were not helping? They do not have to post here. They do it to share with those going through the process, to help get them the correct info they need to be successful in their immigration journey.

And as to the topic at hand from the OP> It is possible they would send you an RFE for photos, but they might not. You never know. Some people get an RFE for something that others do not. I believe it depends on the person reviewing your case file. You are planning to file and then go visit and take some pics together. So, either way, you will have some in case you get an RFE, and for sure have them for the interview where they are very much needed. I suggest you take them at different places, with different backgrounds, some with friends and family, and spread out on different days wearing different clothes.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I totally disagree with this. I read through this site, spending hours upon hours soaking up everything I could before I sent off my I-129F petition. What I read on here helped me out immensely, and I am grateful that they took the time to post here.

Those "OLD" members have been through it, seen lots of other people go through it, and have a very good understanding of what is needed. I have never seen any of them just spout off BS, or try and misinform anyone. They post here to help, period. Why would they post if they were not helping? They do not have to post here. They do it to share with those going through the process, to help get them the correct info they need to be successful in their immigration journey.

And as to the topic at hand from the OP> It is possible they would send you an RFE for photos, but they might not. You never know. Some people get an RFE for something that others do not. I believe it depends on the person reviewing your case file. You are planning to file and then go visit and take some pics together. So, either way, you will have some in case you get an RFE, and for sure have them for the interview where they are very much needed. I suggest you take them at different places, with different backgrounds, some with friends and family, and spread out on different days wearing different clothes.

I won't go off-topic. This is for the OP. And I'm sure this information is important to him. There is more at risk here than Photo's but meeting the requirement of meeting in 2 years. Tell me where you see that date and your guess is as good as mine

[pushbrk 13,176]

Agreed. But lets put away the I-129F Requirements and Use Common Sense. Are Pictures required. NO. Is it Common Sense "Yes" It's going to be asked for anyway later anyway and also within a 2 year period as well as other proof of being together in that 2 years.

Would'nt you feel better sending Pictures at the Original 129-F Petition instead of of her presenting them at the Interview. Can you Calculate the Stress?

COMMON SENSE Not, My Personal Attitude.

Would I feel better? Yes. Do I generally recommend it? Yes. But, you stated there would be no NOA1 without them. That is certainly a false assertion. Nobody is recommending against including photos but the OP doesn't have any. There's no reason to believe the petition won't be approved without them, so no reason to delay filing. Just what are we disagreeing about here? The only thing I see is one false statement you made and that's been corrected. Let's move on.

[pushbrk 13,176]

I Agree with Tim! Common Sense....YES! Maybe its not in the requirements that you send Pics, but I sent 6-8 Photos anyway along with passport Photos of each of us.it only in my mind reinforces the primary evidence.Maybe not needed but i sent them anyway!To me it is a good idea to do!

They don't have any. So what's you're recommendation? Shall he wait to file until after he can visit again and take photos? If not, what are we arguing about. Of course it's better to include some photos. They don't have any. OK?

[pushbrk 13,176]

Passport stamps, visas, and boarding passes are also not mentioned in the I-129F instructions - anywhere. All it says is "Provide copies of evidence that you and your fiancé(e) have personally met within the last two years".

There have been VJ members who have gotten RFE's for photos.

Yes Jim, there have been members asked for photos but many more NOT asked for any. Usually, when photos together are asked for it is as a part of an extensive RFE, not just a request for photos. The OP has evidence of meeting. We know from reading RFE's for evidence of meeting that "photos together" are considered secondary evidence and that passport stamps and boarding passes are primary.

Are YOU recommending they wait, make another visit and submit photos? If not, again, what is the argument about?

You've seen her 18 times and not even a cell phone pic together? So you're engaged and in pics from a gathering you're not even sitting together {but both in the same room}? It's not even my job and it's hard for me to believe this relationship is genuine...what will an officer think if she gets to interview? I wish you the best!

The subject matter is filing the petition, not having a successful interview. The OP understands the need for photos at the interview and indicated they will have them.

[Tim/Mav 305]

They don't have any. So what's you're recommendation? Shall he wait to file until after he can visit again and take photos? If not, what are we arguing about. Of course it's better to include some photos. They don't have any. OK?

Go to POST #17 Pushbrk and make Corrections. I say File now. Then if the RFE comes, they are generally approved within 30 days. What do you think?

Mostly, among other things, the Petitioner must meet the 2 year limit of being together. Your advice is welcome. Tim

[KayDeeCee 4,896]

I won't go off-topic. This is for the OP. And I'm sure this information is important to him. There is more at risk here than Photo's but meeting the requirement of meeting in 2 years. Tell me where you see that date and your guess is as good as mine

Uhmm, what?!

[pushbrk 13,176]

Go to POST #17 Pushbrk and make Corrections. I say File now. Then if the RFE comes, they are generally approved within 30 days. What do you think?

Mostly, among other things, the Petitioner must meet the 2 year limit of being together. Your advice is welcome. Tim

This is what I'm objecting to. See what is in bold specifically.

I replied to this 3 hours ago and seen 95% of members agree (as I do) with not even a single picture you will not even receieve a NOA1, however you may receieve the NOA1 because that ONLY means they cashed your Non-Refundable Check. If you Fail to complete the Application for the 129-F in full with the basics. Any Member that tells you that you don't need pictures is a Self-Made Attourney and knows to much for their own good and don't care about you but wanna Act Smart. Well, thats BS. I'm not God, but I'll try and put myself in your shoes after thinking about it for 3 hours "What would I do"?

People with different opinions, more experience or better focused on when in the process something like photos become critical are not self-made attorneys any more than you are for having and expressing YOUR opinion.

[Tim/Mav 305]

This is what I'm objecting to. See what is in bold specifically.

I replied to this 3 hours ago and seen 95% of members agree (as I do) with not even a single picture you will not even receieve a NOA1, however you may receieve the NOA1 because that ONLY means they cashed your Non-Refundable Check. If you Fail to complete the Application for the 129-F in full with the basics. Any Member that tells you that you don't need pictures is a Self-Made Attourney and knows to much for their own good and don't care about you but wanna Act Smart. Well, thats BS. I'm not God, but I'll try and put myself in your shoes after thinking about it for 3 hours "What would I do"?

People with different opinions, more experience or better focused on when in the process something like photos become critical are not self-made attorneys any more than you are for having and expressing YOUR opinion.

So it really is a personal thing to you and Not for the OP. I see many members like that. They always have to feel their Correct and say there Wisdom is GOD on a Forum. . So you never replied to to Post #17 I think it was

[Otto 83]

I think it is a bit irresponsible (at the very least, not helpful) for folks to proclaim failure, time waisting - or other similar statements seen here (am not saying this directly to anyone in particular) and especially without delving into the other evidence the OP has on hand. All based solely on the existence/nonexistence of photographs. This is how myths and fable further their credibility.

Do I personally believe the OP is doomed to failure unless he hops on a plane, camera in tow, to take some snapshots of him and his honey (and perhaps mom/dad in-law)? Not exactly - but I don't know all the facts and really, neither does anyone else (since no one has really explored that).

I would think that out of 8 trips to PI that the OP would certainly have amassed some pretty good evidence of having traveled to the islands - doesn't sound like that is an issue.

FWIW:

For all we know - maybe his fiancé's friends/family has photos of them. Or, perhaps there is some other evidence to support having met.

[Tim/Mav 305]

I think it is a bit irresponsible (at the very least, not helpful) for folks to proclaim failure, time waisting - or other similar statements seen here (am not saying this directly to anyone in particular) and especially without delving into the other evidence the OP has on hand. All based solely on the existence/nonexistence of photographs. This is how myths and fable further their credibility.

Do I personally believe the OP is doomed to failure unless he hops on a plane, camera in tow, to take some snapshots of him and his honey (and perhaps mom/dad in-law)? Not exactly - but I don't know all the facts and really, neither does anyone else (since no one has really explored that).

I would think that out of 8 trips to PI that the OP would certainly have amassed some pretty good evidence of having traveled to the islands - doesn't sound like that is an issue.

FWIW:

For all we know - maybe his fiancé's friends/family has photos of them. Or, perhaps there is some other evidence to support having met.

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