Senate finds no al-Qaida-Saddam link

[Heracles 417]

You came from a country which is considered much more liberal politically than the U.S.. Just what political party did you belong to in Australia?

The Liberal party.. Who have Center - right views.. I personally have center left and center right views..

Edited September 9, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You came from a country which is considered much more liberal politically than the U.S.. Just what political party did you belong to in Australia?

The Liberal party.. Who have Center - right views..

Ah. New Labour.

[Fischkoepfin 1]

The very fundamental principal of individual rights and freedom which our American Revolution was about and our Constitution is structured upon are 'liberal'. Infidel in another post actually stated the communism is liberalism (he used the aka term). Where these yahoo's get such notions about political ideologies is beyond me, but I can guess that they limit their exposure to information that has a very narrow and skewed view of the world.

First of all the suggestion of liberalism was more a figure of speech rather than literally attacking a liberal. My statement was linking left wing (socialist) ideology to communism. Hey, I am not american so I am immune to the BS the left throws out in this country.

PS It's really funny how you suggest I am narrow minded coming from a country that has a living standard 100 times better than any part of CA.

Just because you're not American doesn't mean you're somehow immune to propaganda. Maybe you're able to resist the left, but from what you've been saying you're not immune from American right-wing propaganda at all.

Second, while you might think that being Australian makes you somehow better than most other people on this board, I'm pretty certain that there are people from countries with higher living standards than Australia. Do you think they have the right to look down on you???

If investigators don't find any link, then to the Bushies it must mean that a link exists. Remember, the UN weapon inspectors didn't find any WMD. Therefore, so the Bush administration, we need to go in to rid Saddam of the WMD. The inspectors didn't find any even though we knew where they were. Rummy said so.

Gawd that lying bunch at 1600 Penn Ave...

This is all very logical. Anything anyone says contradicting the government in any way is liberal propaganda helping the terrorists. So, the most recent reports the non-existence of Al-Qaida links must be wrong.

Sometimes I wonder why the present government is elevated to the status of Gods which are also known to never err.

[Heracles 417]

Second, while you might think that being Australian makes you somehow better than most other people on this board, I'm pretty certain that there are people from countries with higher living standards than Australia. Do you think they have the right to look down on you???

Obviously you have not been to Australia. It has the best of every world. Melbourne and Sydney are one of the highest ranked cities in the world.. Plus we are one of the US's closest allies..

Edited September 9, 2006 by Infidel

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PS It's really funny how you suggest I am narrow minded coming from a country that has a living standard 100 times better than any part of CA.

I'm pretty tired of your Australia-is-better-than-the-U.S. load o' #######. Your standard of living doesn't indicate how open minded you may be. My boyfriend is from a city where 1/3 are in abject poverty, but he's a lot more open minded than you are.

Incidentally, he also spells better in English than you do, although it's not his native tongue.

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You came from a country which is considered much more liberal politically than the U.S.. Just what political party did you belong to in Australia?

The Liberal party.. Who have Center - right views.. I personally have center left and center right views..

If you say you were immune to the political rhetoric of this country then why do easily dismiss arguments you don't agree with as simply 'liberal'?

[Heracles 417]

Just what political party did you belong to in Australia?

I would support any party the addresses and implements the following:

• Universal healthcare, which means every working person pays a tax towards the health system, rather than the employer.
  

• I think taxes should be raised. Actually the system should be overhauled to a modern GST, VAT style federal system. The extra revenue raised should go towards areas such as healthcare, cleaning up ###### whole ghettos, fixing the failed education system, paying teachers / police more to help improve the security and future of Americans, securing the ports and airports and checking 99.9 % of cargo..
  

• Immediately shutting down useless military bases overseas.
  

• Make racism illegal, yes that also applies to reverse racism..
  

• Close the borders using a state-of-the-art fence and border control.Substantially fine any company that hires illegal immigrants. Open a path to honest and verified immigration for individuals who want to come and live here and accept the American way of life..
  

[Fischkoepfin 1]

Second, while you might think that being Australian makes you somehow better than most other people on this board, I'm pretty certain that there are people from countries with higher living standards than Australia. Do you think they have the right to look down on you???

Obviously you have not been to Australia. It has the best of every world. Melbourne and Sydney are one of the highest ranked cities in the world.. Plus we are one of the US's closest allies..

It doesn't matter if I've been to Australia. I do happen to know that there is also a lot of poverty in Australia as well as crime; my cousin, for example, was robbed at gun point in Sydney in the middle of the day, something highly unlikely to occur in Western Europe. Sydney and Melbourne might be highly ranked cities in the world, but that doesn't mean that there aren't any problems. How does Australlia compare to such countries as Luxemburg, the Netherlands, or Sweden?

Also, what exactly is the relationship between being a close ally of the US and the standard of living?

[Heracles 417]

I'm pretty tired of your Australia-is-better-than-the-U.S. load o' #######. Your standard of living doesn't indicate how open minded you may be. My boyfriend is from a city where 1/3 are in abject poverty, but he's a lot more open minded than you are.

Incidentally, he also spells better in English than you do, although it's not his native tongue.

Enough with the spelling #######. Didn't you and I have a 'nice' discussion about speeeeellingk a while back??

Why am I not open minded? because I do not see eye to eye with people who think along your lines...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Second, while you might think that being Australian makes you somehow better than most other people on this board, I'm pretty certain that there are people from countries with higher living standards than Australia. Do you think they have the right to look down on you???

Obviously you have not been to Australia. It has the best of every world. Melbourne and Sydney are one of the highest ranked cities in the world.. Plus we are one of the US's closest allies..

Which begs the question (so often trotted out by "Right Wingers") - if Australia is so much better, why would you consider moving here? That was a rhetorical question, BTW

You might identify with 'the right' - but you seem to have a general underlying distain for America, which while it may not be an outright dislike, seems to manifest itself in a generally patronising attitude toward Americans in general.

I would support any party the addresses and implements the following:

• Universal healthcare, which means every working person pays a tax towards the health system, rather than the employer.
  

• I think taxes should be raised. Actually the system should be overhauled to a modern GST, VAT style federal system. The extra revenue raised should go towards areas such as healthcare, cleaning up ###### whole ghettos, fixing the failed education system, paying teachers / police more to help improve the security and future of Americans, securing the ports and airports and checking 99.9 % of cargo..
  

• Immediately shutting down useless military bases overseas.
  

• Make racism illegal, yes that also applies to reverse racism..
  

• Close the borders using a state-of-the-art fence and border control.Substantially fine any company that hires illegal immigrants. Open a path to honest and verified immigration for individuals who want to come and live here and accept the American way of life..
  

Good luck finding the political party in the US that supports all that. Neither of the current two-party system does.

Edited September 9, 2006 by erekose

[I'm Gone 60]

By JIM ABRAMS, Associated Press Writer

Saddam Hussein rejected overtures from al-Qaida and believed Islamic extremists were a threat to his regime, a reverse portrait of an Iraq allied with Osama bin Laden painted by the Bush White House, a Senate panel has found.

On the Net:

Senate Intelligence Committee: http://www.intelligence.senate.gov

I get the feeling that this is just some pre-election CYA for everyone in office that voted for the war. Why else would it come out this close to the election. Everyone with half a brain knows by now that the reasons Bush gave for invading Iraq were false. This just gives them official cover to say I voted to give Bush authority based on lies.

[Heracles 417]

. How does Australlia compare to such countries as Luxemburg, the Netherlands, or Sweden?

Also, what exactly is the relationship between being a close ally of the US and the standard of living?

Very high. 1 in 110 Australians is a multi-millionaire. Lets not even compare the landscape between the countries.

Australian is more likely to look out for Americans than any European nation..

Which begs the question (so often trotted out by "Right Wingers") - if Australia is so much better, why would you consider moving here? That was a rhetorical question, BTW

You might identify with 'the right' - but you seem to have a general underlying distain for America, which while it may not be an outright dislike, seems to manifest itself in a generally patronising attitude toward Americans in general.

I like what America 'once' stood for. That is, the pre 60's era.

I also do not agree with people trying to ###### this country over. There are a lot of fantastic Americans but just as many idiots in this country. It's that other 50% of Americans that the world hates.. This is why I support the right so much. That is they still love this country to death and want to see it grow and prosper.

Edited September 9, 2006 by Infidel

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I like what America 'once' stood for. That is, the pre 60's era.

I also do not agree with people trying to ###### this country over. There are a lot of fantastic Americans but just as many idiots in this country. It's that other 50% of Americans that the world hates.. This is why I support the right so much. That is they still love this country to death and want to see it grow and prosper.

And yet that "other" 50% are the ones who want to repeal human rights laws, undermine the constitution and approve not only of the Iraq war, but of torture, detention without trial and widespread domestic wiretapping without a warrant.

[Ban Hammer 13,335]

Which begs the question (so often trotted out by "Right Wingers") - if Australia is so much better, why would you consider moving here? That was a rhetorical question, BTW

You might identify with 'the right' - but you seem to have a general underlying distain for America, which while it may not be an outright dislike, seems to manifest itself in a generally patronising attitude toward Americans in general.

for someone who dislikes the "liberal" label, you're awfully quick to trot out the labels too. and that second paragraph is a riot coming from you

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

for someone who dislikes the "liberal" label, you're awfully quick to trot out the labels too. and that second paragraph is a riot coming from you

As one of the people who seems to rely almost exclusively on labels when it comes to discussing these topics - I wonder why you find it surprising when others adopt the same behaviour.