Could Herman Cain Be the Next President Ronald Reagan?

[scandal 951]

You avoided the popular vote. Back then you guys could ONLY talk about the popular vote when "W" ran his first election. Now that Obamer is here you are back focusing on electoral votes.

MAny states were close, very close to tipping those states electoral votes over to McSame.

With the Senate almost surely to go Red, the GOP wins no matter who is in the white house.

Who is this "you guys" of which you speak?

Last I knew, winning the Electoral College is the only path to the Presidency and that's what every campaign focuses on.

[웃 910]

Who is this "you guys" of which you speak?

Last I knew, winning the Electoral College is the only path to the Presidency and that's what every campaign focuses on.

You know what he is saying. Right?

"you guys" = democrats

When W was winning presidential elections the focus was all about the popular vote. The popular vote was so close.

Now that it is Obama the popular vote of 6% is meaningless because he got 365 electoral votes when only 270 were needed to win...

Anyways, it doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that his 6% popular vote is going to absolutely shrivel in 2012. Lots of voters have lost enthusiasm. Lots of voters are disappointed. It has been 4 more years of the same. And then you have to realize that McCain in 2008 was like putting Obama up for election in the 1950s. It was a complete suicide mission. There was nothing attractive (literally) about him...

[scandal 951]

You know what he is saying. Right?

"you guys" = democrats

When W was winning presidential elections the focus was all about the popular vote. The popular vote was so close.

I find this statement meaningless. "the focus was all about the popular vote". Again, we all know the rules of the game. The only rules that count are Electoral College rules. In the 2000 election, the media reporting made a lot of noise about Gore's popular vote margin over Bush but that's not what the fight was about. If that's what the fight was about, everyone would have recognized on Election Night that Gore had won. The reason there WAS a fight for the next 2 months was because everybody understood that the fight was about Florida, and about counting every single hanging chad in Broward and West Palm Beach and throughout the state. Why? Because the fight was about the Electoral College. To say otherwise is to deny that we even know the rules of the game we are playing by. Since I know you're not saying that, that's why I'm confused and don't understand your comments at all.

[Danno 1,228]

I find this statement meaningless. "the focus was all about the popular vote". Again, we all know the rules of the game. The only rules that count are Electoral College rules. In the 2000 election, the media reporting made a lot of noise about Gore's popular vote margin over Bush but that's not what the fight was about. If that's what the fight was about, everyone would have recognized on Election Night that Gore had won. The reason there WAS a fight for the next 2 months was because everybody understood that the fight was about Florida, and about counting every single hanging chad in Broward and West Palm Beach and throughout the state. Why? Because the fight was about the Electoral College. To say otherwise is to deny that we even know the rules of the game we are playing by. Since I know you're not saying that, that's why I'm confused and don't understand your comments at all.

Nice try but the facts are what they are..... The Left never stopped talking... and posting about the Popular vote.

Now the Left pretends it is meaningless... and it is as far as who "wins" an election but resting on the electoral college as evidence about where the country is or was at is only helpful when combined with how close the votes were in close states.

[scandal 951]

Nice try but the facts are what they are..... The Left never stopped talking... and posting about the Popular vote.

OK, Since you really wanna play it that way .... I'll take your bet. CITE, PLEASE. Otherwise, ####### off.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

You avoided the popular vote. Back then you guys could ONLY talk about the popular vote when "W" ran his first election. Now that Obamer is here you are back focusing on electoral votes.

You do remember that Bush actually lost the popular vote in 2000 (47.87% vs. 48.38%), yes? That is what made it a point of discussion. Obama clearly won the popular vote (52.9% vs. 45.7%) and cleaned up the electoral votes quite nicely. Either way you look at it(popular or electoral votes), Obama won much more convincingly in 2008 than ole' W did in 2000. Get it now?

[Danno 1,228]

You do remember that Bush actually lost the popular vote in 2000 (47.87% vs. 48.38%), yes? That is what made it a point of discussion. Obama clearly won the popular vote (52.9% vs. 45.7%) and cleaned up the electoral votes quite nicely. Either way you look at it(popular or electoral votes), Obama won much more convincingly in 2008 than ole' W did in 2000. Get it now?

Obama absolutely had a nice win, no doubt about that... when you consider both the EC and the Popular vote, but when you only consider the popular.... you see even with the momentum he has it was not that decisive ... all things considered.

[Danno 1,228]

OK, Since you really wanna play it that way .... I'll take your bet. CITE, PLEASE. Otherwise, ####### off.

DO you seriously suggest the Left did cling to the popular-vote as a true referendum on the election they didn't like?

NOt that I blame them... close calls are always troublesome to accept when "The other team" wins.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Obama absolutely had a nice win, no doubt about that... when you consider both the EC and the Popular vote, but when you only consider the popular.... you see even with the momentum he has it was not that decisive ... all things considered.

Well, he got a bigger share of the popular vote than The Gipper did in 1980. Just don't tell anyone.

[Danno 1,228]

Well, he got a bigger share of the popular vote than The Gipper did in 1980. Just don't tell anyone.

How bout in the EC?

[scandal 951]

DO you seriously suggest the Left did cling to the popular-vote as a true referendum on the election they didn't like?

NOt that I blame them... close calls are always troublesome to accept when "The other team" wins.

From Al Gore's concession speech, Dec 13 2000:

Now the U.S. Supreme Court has spoken. Let there be no doubt, while I strongly disagree with the court's decision, I accept it. I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity of the people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.

[웃 910]

I even remember in 2008 a campaign ad full of celebrities (Tom Cruise, Denzel Washington, Leonardo DiCaprio, and a few more):

"Get out and vote"

"In 2004 the election was decided by a few hundred votes in Florida"

"Just a few hundred votes"

It was pretty obvious what the ad was really saying: "If a few hundred of you fvcktards would have gotten up off your lazy asses we wouldn't have gotten Bush in '04"

They will probably run the same ad again in 2012

Edited May 24, 2011 by Lord Infamous

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

How bout in the EC?

Dude, you just made the argument that a 52.8% popular vote grab isn't a strong showing. The Gipper grabbed less than 51%. By your own definition, I'd have to say that he didn't do so great against Carter. Make up your mind, will you?

[Danno 1,228]

Dude, you just made the argument that a 52.8% popular vote grab isn't a strong showing. The Gipper grabbed less than 51%. By your own definition, I'd have to say that he didn't do so great against Carter. Make up your mind, will you?

Since you are so keen on Electoral College numbers... and victories,,,,

Read'em and weep my friend!

Reagan won the election, carrying 44 states with 489 electoral votes to 49 electoral votes for Carter (representing six states and Washington, D.C.). Reagan received 50.7% of the popular vote while Carter took 41%, and Independent John B. Anderson (a liberal Republican) received 6.7%.

Bet that smarted.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Since you are so keen on Electoral College numbers... and victories,,,,

Read'em and weep my friend!

Reagan won the election, carrying 44 states with 489 electoral votes to 49 electoral votes for Carter (representing six states and Washington, D.C.). Reagan received 50.7% of the popular vote while Carter took 41%, and Independent John B. Anderson (a liberal Republican) received 6.7%.

Bet that smarted.

I'm aware of Reagan's electoral votes - quite impressive indeed. That's not the issue, though. Looking at past elections, grabbing 53% of the popular vote and 365 electoral votes is impressive no matter how you slice it. Presidents were re-elected after a weaker showing the first time around and with popularity figures in the range of the current President. That's all I'm saying. I am quite confident - as are credible candidates in the GOP who are sitting 2012 out for a reason - that Obama will have a second term. You can warm up to the idea now or bathe in the delusion that a Herman Cain will unseat an incumbent President and wake up that Wednesday morning all disappointed. Your choice, really.