Visa Denied - Cairo (Age Difference)

[Casprd 167]

I LOVES ADORE MY PRECIOUS BEAUTIFUL LITTLE DEAR WIFE. YOU ARE MY LIFE FOREVERRRRRRRRRRR!!!

I can live anywhere with my wife, my PARADİSE with you everywhere. You just got to be by my side. BECAUSE I LOVES ADORE MY PRINCESS,WE (L) TOGETHER FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!! (L) (L) (L) (L) (L) WİTHOUT NEVER NO LIVE MY PRECIOUS LITTLE BABY YOU MY HEART

This thread (and forum in general) are really not the appropriate place for you to profess your undying love for your wife. I can appreciate your feelings and God knows how much I miss my wife, but the thread is about a petitioner who was denied for their age difference and people are responding with advice to her. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these but typing like a 12 year old isn't going to convince anyone of the sincerity of your relationship, not that you have to convince us since it is the immigration officers that must be convinced. Please keep the thread to dealing with the OP's issue and save these for your private chats.

Unfortunately the VO's seem to make their decision before they even have the interview. Have you considered getting a visa immigration specialist in Egypt involved? The one's I have talked to in China are very specifically focused on what goes on at the Guangzhou consulate so everything is tailored to meet the requirements there. Your looking at a long drawn out process. Hang in there.

[katiemanny 64]

Dont give up hope.Try to call the embassy and seeks more reasons.though you aint telling us the age Margin.is it up to 20yrs.Stay optimistic and you will smile at the long run

the OP's daughter is 33 yrs old, so I would assume she's at least 53 years old, if she gave birth when she was like 20 years old.

Edited May 19, 2011 by katiemanny

[Otto 83]

** OK - a number of posts have been removed - please post responsibly or refrain from posting (and try to stick to the OP's topic). Thank you in advance.

[And_Sam 44]

Haven't you realized that people that keep saying age doesn't matter, are either new members or members from more liberal countries, not only MENA countries but The Caribbean for example, in country such Haiti its highly unusual for a young man to marry an older woman specially if she's past child bearing age. Haven't you wonder why the Consulate told the OP's fiance to marry an Egyptian woman instead.

That is not necessarily true.

[nurse1967 287]

This thread (and forum in general) are really not the appropriate place for you to profess your undying love for your wife. I can appreciate your feelings and God knows how much I miss my wife, but the thread is about a petitioner who was denied for their age difference and people are responding with advice to her. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these but typing like a 12 year old isn't going to convince anyone of the sincerity of your relationship, not that you have to convince us since it is the immigration officers that must be convinced. Please keep the thread to dealing with the OP's issue and save these for your private chats.

Unfortunately the VO's seem to make their decision before they even have the interview. Have you considered getting a visa immigration specialist in Egypt involved? The one's I have talked to in China are very specifically focused on what goes on at the Guangzhou consulate so everything is tailored to meet the requirements there. Your looking at a long drawn out process. Hang in there.

OMG thank you for saying this. They act like this on every thread they post on. They behave like two 12 year olds. She is 55 and he is 26. Bizarre to say the least. Others have asked them to stop and they continue to post ridiculous things. I wish they would get a hotel room...or at the very least their own chat line somewhere.

[mandyu1 5]

I've read through most of this thread, and as I'm sure you've heard, in the eyes of the CO age does matter. I'm only 6 years older than my fiance and of child bearing age and the CO still questioned our relationship. I think what helped us is that I had visited my fiance 3 times (staying 1 week, 3 weeks & 2 weeks) in under 9 months and I was there with him for the interview. We were interviewed seperately and the CO stated that it was her job to look after the American citizen and that it is common to see younger males looking for older women just for immigration, she even gave me the opportunity to back out and cancel the petition right then and there if I wanted too. We also took with use two 2" binders of evidence and photos of our relationship and at this time we had only been together 1 1/2 yrs. Since you and your fiance have been together for twice as long, if not longer, what kind of evidence did you provide and how much?

My advice is to do what everyone else here has stated, go live with him for awhile, or if that is not possible, visit and marry, and bombard them with tons of evidence.

Good luck!!

[egypt lover 0]

iam really sorry cuz they denied ur visa but same thing happened to me and i was cr1 visa but we never give up on each other we get denied year ago and case back to uscis and we wait to hear some thing from them but my advice is marry and apply againe and when he get interview just go with him to the interview and i think every thing will be okay just dont give up and u will be with ur love god bless u

[marymina119 3]

where did u get denied in the CR1 interview in US embassy in egypt ? why ? if i may ask

iam really sorry cuz they denied ur visa but same thing happened to me and i was cr1 visa but we never give up on each other we get denied year ago and case back to uscis and we wait to hear some thing from them but my advice is marry and apply againe and when he get interview just go with him to the interview and i think every thing will be okay just dont give up and u will be with ur love god bless u

[Amber & Ahmed 133]

This thread (and forum in general) are really not the appropriate place for you to profess your undying love for your wife. I can appreciate your feelings and God knows how much I miss my wife, but the thread is about a petitioner who was denied for their age difference and people are responding with advice to her. Not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these but typing like a 12 year old isn't going to convince anyone of the sincerity of your relationship, not that you have to convince us since it is the immigration officers that must be convinced. Please keep the thread to dealing with the OP's issue and save these for your private chats.

I know right! woooow amazingly ignorant!

Unfortunately the VO's seem to make their decision before they even have the interview. Have you considered getting a visa immigration specialist in Egypt involved? The one's I have talked to in China are very specifically focused on what goes on at the Guangzhou consulate so everything is tailored to meet the requirements there. Your looking at a long drawn out process. Hang in there.

OMG thank you for saying this. They act like this on every thread they post on. They behave like two 12 year olds. She is 55 and he is 26. Bizarre to say the least. Others have asked them to stop and they continue to post ridiculous things. I wish they would get a hotel room...or at the very least their own chat line somewhere.

Betsy....

[egypt lover 0]

yes i get denied in the us embassy in cairo and why i think all the interview was about age why u marry some one older than u why u didnt marry egyptian plah plah plah they just didnt show any respect they deal with me like i dont know my rights and law and they refused me for age diffrence after congress woman called them they said very fake answer THEY JUST LIE AND DONT SAY THE TRUTH AND THEY CANT SAY THEY REFUSED US FOR AGE CUZ THats illigal but no thing to do just wait AND PRAY CUZ WE LOVE EACH OTHER SO MUCH

Edited May 21, 2011 by egypt lover

[Egypt's Heart 6]

What to do next depends on whether you came here simply to object and complain or take constructive action. Your age difference is relevant in the eyes of the Consular officers who will make decisions about any visa. For us to help you, we need to understand your circumstances including not just the age difference but the actual ages, how many visits and for how long, how you initially became acquainted and anything else except your actual names, dates of birth and other private information that you think might be considered applicable to your situation.

You'll also want to ask you fiance to write as complete and accurate a description (think verbatim transcript) of his experience at the interview, specifically including the questions asked and answers given.

[Egypt's Heart 6]

Also, attending the next interview would be good. There is more then just a age difference in this case, the C/O saw something else, and maybe something you did not know. As Pushbrk mentioned, have your ficancee' write out all that was said, and also what paper was he given, was it AP or a flat out denial?

Ive known 2 other Egyptian/American couples who got the ran around after the K1 interview, so they just married in Egypt , applied again , this time for a CR-1 and was approved, and both ladies attended interview with their husbands, I think that made a difference. Best wishes.

[Lizz&Mohamed 2]

Hello VJ family,

It has been awhile since I last posted but here is an update on my case and hope it sheds some light and hope to anyone that is in the same situation.

Our case was returned back to USCIS not based on our age difference at least that is what the CO said but more due to 3questions (so she alleged) that my husband answered wrong. But let me tell you that my husband & I's age difference is 15yrs. Of course, I will tell you that I don't look it but I am sure we all say that. Anyway, I made a BIG mistake and that was by not going back to Egypt to be with my husband for his interview. I was later told by Homeland Security that this was my mistake. But never having gone thru an immigration process at all and by reading on the website that it was not mandatory for me to do so, I simply rested on the most important fact that we "truly loved each other" and that alone would suffice. Boy was I wrong. My husband's visa was denied because according to the CO, he did not know enough about me, we met online and married on my first trip to Egypt. The case was returned back to USCIS, where it stayed here for 13months to be exact. In the 13months, you better believe I was on that phone bi-weekly, then monthly and got my Congresswoman involved in which her office if not monthly on a bi-monthly basis was in contact with USCIS. At around the 11month(MARCH 2011), Homeland Security showed up at my place of employment and caught me by surprise. There were 2male agents and they interviewed me for about 35minutes, both taking turns. One was more easy going and the other was very stone face, very serious minded. I answered all their questions truthfully and offered them more updated evidence: pics, chat and call logs that I happened to have at work but they refused, smiled and tapped on the already thick case file they had in front of them and said that what they had was sufficient. They also said they were there to investigate the validity of our marriage and to report the facts back to USCIS. They asked me to submit the financial part of my trips to Egypt and said once they received it, their report will be typed and given to USCIS for their processing. I asked him for his honest opinion on our case and this is when he told me that my mistake, was not being there at the interview with my husband. That when they see this, they look at the relationship as not being a strong one and that this hurt our case. He then proceeded to tell me that I MUST attend the next one if granted and this is when I asked him what his report would recommend. He said that their report makes no VISA recommendations. That their sole function is to investigate fraudulent marriages and report back the facts. He told me not to worry that I came across very honest and forthcoming about my feelings and marriage and that we have established a strong and bonafide marriage/relationship. That our case will most likely be "re-affirmed" by USCIS and returned back to the Embassy/Consulate in Cairo but again, reminded me to be there for the next interview. The next morning, 7am to be exact, the agent called me and asked me if he could have to docs and I told him, he would get them as soon as I got in to my office that morning. Once in, I sent it to him, he thanked me and said he will be giving his report to USCIS asap.

Now, in APRIL 2011, USCIS sends me a notice of action and informed me that they had "RE-AFFIRMED" our petition and that it was being sent back to NVC and to communicate with them from now on, when I needed a status on our case. I called NVC on April 28th, they still had no record of our case being logged in their system and reminded me that sometimes it can take up to 90days for them to receive a case from USCIS and for it to be recorded in their system. So, I decided to wait before contacting them again. Then in the 3rd week in MAY 2011, I get a called from my husband and he tells me that he had just gotten off the phone with a Consular Officer from Cairo and that they had informed him that they were in receipt of our case and that he needed to update his medical, police report and I-230 and to have me update my I-864 and send all the docs to them via DHL and for him to call them back when he has done so. This past Friday, I sent my husband my updated I-864 via Express Mail and once he gets it, he plans to travel to Cairo to send all the docs via DHL.

With all of this great news, I am afraid to re-joice and allow myself to get so happy and my hopes up again because as we all know, that even with all of this - the CO that will interview my husband again, can deny his visa yet again. So, for now, I will pray and ask GOD/ALLAH to help us in our endeavor and that he shine his light on our case onto these people, who hold our fate in their hands...God Willing = Insha Allah, it will have a happy ending.

This has been an extremely emotional, difficult situation for all of our families. My children, while they communicate with my husband daily via chat/webcam and telephone, still feel the stress over this diffcult ordeal. My children love my husband and I am so blessed to have found a man and his family, who love and accept my children as his own but again, while our love story is like one of a fairytale, it has been mostly a stressful and trying time for all of us. But we are still very much in love and involved in each others lives after 3 long years...I have been told by others, that the Embassy/Consulate looks at this and how we have not given up on our relationship as so many others do. This is one way, that they will maybe see/believe if our marriage is more legitimate/believeable...So for now, I will continue to pray and keep my fingers crossed and hope our journey will come to an end soon. Insha Allah = God willing.

Sorry for the long post and again, I hope - it offers anyone else in our same situation some hope.

Sincerely,

Lizz&Mohamed

Mexico & Egypt!

[Lizz&Mohamed 2]

Hello VJ family,

It has been awhile since I last posted but here is an update on my case and hope it sheds some light and hope to anyone that is in the same situation.

Our case was returned back to USCIS not based on our age difference at least that is what the CO said but more due to 3questions (so she alleged) that my husband answered wrong. But let me tell you that my husband & I's age difference is 14yrs. Of course, I will tell you that I don't look it but I am sure we all say that. Anyway, I made a BIG mistake and that was by not going back to Egypt to be with my husband for his interview. I was later told by Homeland Security that this was my mistake. But never having gone thru an immigration process at all and by reading on the website that it was not mandatory for me to do so, I simply rested on the most important fact that we "truly loved each other" and that alone would suffice. Boy was I wrong. My husband's visa was denied because according to the CO, he did not know enough about me, we met online and married on my first trip to Egypt. The case was returned back to USCIS, where it stayed here for 13months to be exact. In the 13months, you better believe I was on that phone bi-weekly, then monthly and got my Congresswoman involved in which her office if not monthly on a bi-monthly basis was in contact with USCIS. At around the 11month(MARCH 2011), Homeland Security showed up at my place of employment and caught me by surprise. There were 2male agents and they interviewed me for about 35minutes, both taking turns. One was more easy going and the other was very stone face, very serious minded. I answered all their questions truthfully and offered them more updated evidence: pics, chat and call logs that I happened to have at work but they refused, smiled and tapped on the already thick case file they had in front of them and said that what they had was sufficient. They also said they were there to investigate the validity of our marriage and to report the facts back to USCIS. They asked me to submit the financial part of my trips to Egypt and said once they received it, their report will be typed and given to USCIS for their processing. I asked him for his honest opinion on our case and this is when he told me that my mistake, was not being there at the interview with my husband. That when they see this, they look at the relationship as not being a strong one and that this hurt our case. He then proceeded to tell me that I MUST attend the next one if granted and this is when I asked him what his report would recommend. He said that their report makes no VISA recommendations. That their sole function is to investigate fraudulent marriages and report back the facts. He told me not to worry that I came across very honest and forthcoming about my feelings and marriage and that we have established a strong and bonafide marriage/relationship. That our case will most likely be "re-affirmed" by USCIS and returned back to the Embassy/Consulate in Cairo but again, reminded me to be there for the next interview. The next morning, 7am to be exact, the agent called me and asked me if he could have to docs and I told him, he would get them as soon as I got in to my office that morning. Once in, I sent it to him, he thanked me and said he will be giving his report to USCIS asap.

Now, in APRIL 2011, USCIS sends me a notice of action and informed me that they had "RE-AFFIRMED" our petition and that it was being sent back to NVC and to communicate with them from now on, when I needed a status on our case. I called NVC on April 28th, they still had no record of our case being logged in their system and reminded me that sometimes it can take up to 90days for them to receive a case from USCIS and for it to be recorded in their system. So, I decided to wait before contacting them again. Then in the 3rd week in MAY 2011, I get a called from my husband and he tells me that he had just gotten off the phone with a Consular Officer from Cairo and that they had informed him that they were in receipt of our case and that he needed to update his medical, police report and I-230 and to have me update my I-864 and send all the docs to them via DHL and for him to call them back when he has done so. This past Friday, I sent my husband my updated I-864 via Express Mail and once he gets it, he plans to travel to Cairo to send all the docs via DHL.

With all of this great news, I am afraid to re-joice and allow myself to get so happy and my hopes up again because as we all know, that even with all of this - the CO that will interview my husband again, can deny his visa yet again. So, for now, I will pray and ask GOD/ALLAH to help us in our endeavor and that he shine his light on our case onto these people, who hold our fate in their hands...God Willing = Insha Allah, it will have a happy ending.

This has been an extremely emotional, difficult situation for all of our families. My children, while they communicate with my husband daily via chat/webcam and telephone, still feel the stress over this diffcult ordeal. My children love my husband and I am so blessed to have found a man and his family, who love and accept my children as his own but again, while our love story is like one of a fairytale, it has been mostly a stressful and trying time for all of us. But we are still very much in love and involved in each others lives after 3 long years...I have been told by others, that the Embassy/Consulate looks at this and how we have not given up on our relationship as so many others do. This is one way, that they will maybe see/believe if our marriage is more legitimate/believeable...So for now, I will continue to pray and keep my fingers crossed and hope our journey will come to an end soon. Insha Allah = God willing. I want to add, that I am still able to have children and my husband very much wants to have children with me...something I hope we can start on at least 1 year after living together and getting him settled in to his new life here in the USA. Insha Allah.

Sorry for the long post and again, I hope - it offers anyone else in our same situation some hope.

Sincerely,

Lizz&Mohamed

Mexico & Egypt!

JUST CORRECTED THE MATH IN OUR AGE DIFFERENCE...14 YEARS AGE DIFFERENCE.

My husband also is very eager to start having children as do I and Insha Allah - we can begin this soon.

Lizz&Mohamed

[NY_BX 397]

To All,

I will cut the chase on our story why Visa was denied.

1. Hes appointment today May 18, 2011 from US Embassy in Cairo

2. He was given a number to wait for his turn

3. Called his number for fingerprint.

4. Called his name for the interview. The interviewer was in a room separated by a glass outside window for my fiance to stand over the microphone so they can talk to each other.

5. Ask him if he speak English or Arabic. Did not give him the chance to say English as the interviewer called for an interpreter right away.

6. Ask him how did he know me his answer was we meet on chat at yahoo messenger. My fiancee answer was by luck (I guess that set up a red flag)

7. Ask when did we meet the first time i came to Egypt. He answered 2007 until now

8. Ask if I was married before. He answered Yes and Divorce last year (I have been divorce only last year but separated for the ten years)

9. Ask if he I have any children he answered yes he have one daughter who is 33 years old and have one granchild.

10. Ask his age he answered 27 (CO said to him you are going to marry her and you are younger than her daughter)?

11. Did not give him the chance to answer that question.

12. Does your parents accept this person? His answer Yes.

13. The CO and the Interpreter talking about him that he does not trust him. He can speak fluent English as he teaches computer in a school in Egypt.

13. Ask him again why I do not stay in Egypt with him his answer was that I do not want to be away from my daughter and grandson.

14. The CO and the Interpreter was talking about him that he does not trust him. He can speak fluent English as he teaches computer class in Egypt.

15. After the interview the CO told him that they will Investigate about him and send the paperwork to US again. (hopefully for more evidence) Our paperwork and evidence will be sent with our application. We have no problem until the interview he said that he felt so intimidated and the CO have no respect for him. I did say to him that is what they do and that is their job. They know if you are telling the truth or not. He had given him the right answer no lie about it. The age have come up many times. We know from the beginning that the visa maybe denied because of our age difference. He is an honest man but i can understand the situation also. I tried to explain it to him. There is a big gap in our age 20 years and that is our problem. Him being 27 it makes him an opportunist and people think that all he want is to leave Egypt. He is not a bad person he is the most honest person i have ever met. Anyhow this is our story. myself i still own a business here and working. We have discuss the issue. I have known him for four years and trusted him. He works and does not rely on his family. He want me to go and live with him in Egypt get married there and go from there. I may like it there and stay for good and just visit my daughter and grandchild once a year in US. This is the only solution i can think of for now.

For people out there that is applying for a visa for their fiancee specially in Egypt as it is a big fraud and younger men older women involved maybe they all can learn from us what we went through. I understand what the Embassy is doing because of fraud in marriage is higher in those country. I know my fiance and he is a good man knowing him for four years i have no qualms about him as a person a very honest good family i have ever meet in my life. No scam or pretense in our part just being older and younger that is all our problem. He said to me he does not want to go to US anymore he just want me to be with him and be together. This is our story and Goodluck to all who is applying for their fiancee in Egypt. A lesson learned. I thank you for the board for making me tell our side of the story and all guidance you all have given to us. It was a long good, sad journey for us. Thank you Again for all your help...

I will be devil's advocate here with the intent of sheding a limelight in an underlined issue. By no means my intentions are to rude or judgemental. I am simply posing some questions as an advocate and even a psychologist, just to help out and get some clarification.

As mostly everyone in these boards, I am baffled by the CO response and the discriminatory behavior they bluntly projected. It is highly disrespectful and no professional should ever treat anyone in that manner.

All that said, I must bring up with dubious, doubtful hunches about the bullet point summary of events that transpired at the interview. I find it extremely hard to believe that a CO will tell an interpreter, several times, in your fiancee's face that he doesn't trust him. Reading that, to me only shows one huge red flag and it is not on the CO's or interpreter's side. I'm sorry, but I truy honestly believe your fiancee is not being straight forward with you. He must have done or said something to trigger such an offensive comment from two professionals. As you mentioned, the answer "by luck" would have triggered a red flag as well. It sounds as if he was surfing the wed in search of a victim. Sounds a little dramatic, but as you cleverly explain, Egypt is high fraud and I'm so sure they've heard those dubious answers before. Now, to the core of the debate: your age difference is a problem. If I was a CO, I would think there not one, but two desperate folks here trying to outsmart the system. Does that mean you're bad people? Absolutely not. I personally have big issues with the legality of marriage and the bubble it has been secluded in, but that's topic for discussion right now. What I believe, and God as my witness knows I want to be totally wrong, is that your fiancee was not forthcoming with the entire truth. I truly believe there are many elements of this interview he weeded out to make it seem the CO's fault. Unless you were there with him in the interview, how sure are you he didn't make another mistake and answered a question somewhat "shady"? "By luck" is not a solid answer and that sets out a precedent to judge the rest of the interview. Also, his demeanor, body language, and overall communication skills are observed thoroughly. The CO had looked at the file before; he knew your ages prior to the interview. So yes, he/she was prejudiced from the get-go. But you both needed to prepare a little bit better to knock that interview out of the park and break down the walls the CO has put up before even meeting him. Let's say the CO didn't know your ages, you still have to prepare to hit a homerun.

I have a personal belief system about age ranges in marriages, exclusively. I am 6 years older than my fiancee, but we both have the same educational level, we both are liberal political activists, we both enjoy the same indie art and are hippies, etc. We both have the same lifestyle level. I hope a 27 year old is in the same lifestyle level that an older partner, by 20 years. I've seen it happen, trust me, I work for artists. Two actors I represent are married to younger partners by far and they are very happy. However, that's not the norm, at least in the bubble I live in. So, I apologize if I'm being harsh. As a woman, I'd hate to read a post from you claiming you've been hurt and even defrauded. I'd hate not to speak up for women, or men, out there that are being scammed. I tell you this because I just closed a case of a 26 year old Egyptian male that married a 43 year old American lady. He did everything right, including nailing the interview. He landed in the US and 2 months after they sign marriage papers, he picked up and abandoned her. She had to hire a private detective to find him and divorce him. The lady pressed charges against him and needless to say it was a battle because he claims that he was a victim of domestic abuse. Because of cases like this, we are all paying the price. As they say in my Puerto Rico: "pagan justos por pecadores." By no means I implying this will happen to you, and again, God as my witness I wish I'm spraying ####### out of my fingertips. I just want you to be more aware of the circumstances so you're more prepared for the next round.

God bless you and keep on trying. Look at this with fresh eyes.