Obama Says Amnesty Will Strengthen The Middle Class.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

This guy is joking right?

So bringing millions out of the shadows to earn 'fair' wages will help bolster the economy and help the middle class thrive again?

Is this man really saying this ####### right now?

If anything we need to bring them out of the shadows and then ship the trash out! Eliminate the cheap labor jobs and make it where AMERICANS and LEGAL Residents get those jobs instead of the illegals.

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http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-05-10-obama-immigration_n.htm

President Obama laid out a plan in El Paso on Tuesday that would continue to strengthen security along the southwest border, make it harder for businesses to hire illegal immigrants and overhaul the nation's visa system to attract better-educated foreigners to study and work in the United States.

Critics pounced on one aspect of the president's first push to overhaul the nation's immigration system: a path for legalization for the 11 million illegal immigrants in the country.

Obama's plan would require illegal immigrants to register with the government, undergo criminal background checks, pay back taxes and fines, learn English and get in line behind people who have already applied to enter the country. Then, they would be eligible to become legal permanent residents in eight years, and full U.S. citizens five years later.

Obama argued that correcting the nation's broken immigration system and legalizing the country's illegal immigrants who "live in the shadows" would bolster the U.S. economy. "Immigration reform is an economic imperative," he said.

"One way to strengthen the middle class is to reform our immigration system, so that there is no longer a massive underground economy that exploits cheap labor while depressing wages for everyone else," he said.

Rep. Peter King, a New York Republican who chairs the House Homeland Security Committee, responded by calling the plan an "amnesty" and said more needed to be done to secure the border. And Rep. Elton Gallegly, R-Calif., who chairs the House subcommittee on Immigration Policy and Enforcement, said simply: "Amnesty will not pass Congress, Mr. President."

The plan could see some action in Congress, as Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said he and others were working on a similar proposal. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will lead a group of senators today as they announce the reintroduction of the DREAM Act, which would allow some children of illegal immigrants to gain legal status.

But not many see Obama's proposal making headway before the 2012 elections. "He's teeing this up for legislative success in 2013," said Jim Kessler, co-founder of the centrist organization Third Way. He said Obama also needs time for his argument — that the economic benefits of legalizing illegal immigrants outweigh the costs — to take hold not only in Congress, but in the general public.

That will be a hard sales pitch to make, said Roy Beck, founder of NumbersUSA, a group that advocates for lower levels of immigration. Obama's proposal includes several ways for workers, including those who would work in restaurants and farms, to stay in the United States.

Beck said that ignores the high unemployment still rampant throughout the country. "This proposal looks like it was written at a time when we had full employment," he said.

[dalegg 143]

I think he's saying that if they are all made legal they can strengthen the size of the Unions and go on strike for higher wages, at which point the businesses give in and give them higher wages and now they have more money to spend in the U.S and our economy grows, because they wouldn't dare just hire new illegal workers.

Edited May 11, 2011 by dalegg

[Karee 4,190]

I think he's saying that if they are all made legal they can strengthen the size of the Unions and go on strike for higher wages, at which point the businesses give in and give them higher wages and now they have more money to spend in the U.S and our economy grows, because they wouldn't dare just hire new illegal workers.

We all know which party the unions endorse election after election.

[Amby 490]

English only please outside of the regional forums.

one typo and it's not English anymore?

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Post containing a personal attack and thus violating TOS and post quoting same have been removed. You can disagree with the contents of the post but you do not have the right to attack the poster.

[spookyturtle 9,465]

Post containing a personal attack and thus violating TOS and post quoting same have been removed. You can disagree with the contents of the post but you do not have the right to attack the poster.

But attacking is so much fun. :devil:

[The Dude 206]

Post containing a personal attack and thus violating TOS and post quoting same have been removed. You can disagree with the contents of the post but you do not have the right to attack the poster.

Paul invites derision with his own words.

[Kathryn41 3,205]

But attacking is so much fun. :devil:

Just call me a spoilsport.

Paul invites derision with his own words.

Regardless of whether it is true or not, you don't have to accept an invitation.

[Zero Sum 305]

Isn't baiting against the rules too? [/devils advocate]

[The Dude 206]

Isn't baiting against the rules too? [/devils advocate]

Right, but then Brad would have to dismiss reports on every single one of Paul's posts.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Right, but then Brad would have to dismiss reports on every single one of Paul's posts.

^^ now that's baiting.

Of course Rob is more familiar with that than I am.

There was nothing 'baiting' in my OP. You can disagree with the language I used, but I have said as much about illegals since day one of being here.

Edited May 11, 2011 by Paul and Vanessa

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I think he's saying that if they are all made legal they can strengthen the size of the Unions and go on strike for higher wages, at which point the businesses give in and give them higher wages and now they have more money to spend in the U.S and our economy grows, because they wouldn't dare just hire new illegal workers.

That's the issue. As long as businesses get away with hiring illegal immigrants and the rewards of doing so outweigh the risks, there's no point in legalizing those already here. You'd just be inviting 15 million more illegals to replace those that can no longer be exploited while those that have been given legal status will be competing with the people already looking for work further increasing the supply side in the labor market. Increasing supply usually results in lower cost - i.e. lower wages.