Islamic Reformation

[Peikko 1,575]

Is it really true that Saddlebronc is IR5FORMUMSIE? Or is that just some red herring thrown out there to bait, and possibly switch?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

To Muslims, the Quran is the Word of God and the ahadith of God.

If the original language of the Quran is Arabic, then what did the earlier prophets of Islam teach? Abraham didn't speak Arabic. Did he not have the Quran transmitted to him in the language he spoke and taught in? How about Moses? In what language did he receive the Quran, and in which language did he transmit the Message?

Likewise, Jesus didn't speak Arabic. Did he make up the Word as he went along, or did he receive the ahadith of God from which he taught in the language they all understood?

The Quran itself says that prior Messengers have received the Word in other languages:

"We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. [Qur'an 14:4]

To the Arabs, he said:

"We have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." [Qur'an 44:58]

Islam was not revealed first to a prophet on the Arabian Pennisula. It was revealed there last, so the Quran you know is in Arabic. But, Islam is universal and it itself proclaims that it was revealed in other languages before Arabic, so who are we to doubt this? Is Allah wrong?

Please read your Quran and study Islamic history. It gives me no pleasure to repeatedly correct you in such a public forum.

That is a big stretch of logic. The Bible and the Koran are just books. Do both include God's Word revealed to man? Perhaps. Does either contain all that has been revealed? Certainly not!

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Is it really true that Saddlebronc is IR5FORMUMSIE? Or is that just some red herring thrown out there to bait, and possibly switch?

No, Confused2 is.

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

Is it really true that Saddlebronc is IR5FORMUMSIE? Or is that just some red herring thrown out there to bait, and possibly switch?

I thought Saddlebronc was Indian...

[Ban Hammer 13,490]

Is it really true that Saddlebronc is IR5FORMUMSIE? Or is that just some red herring thrown out there to bait, and possibly switch?

- i can understand what ir5 writes.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

That is a big stretch of logic. The Bible and the Koran are just books. Do both include God's Word revealed to man? Perhaps. Does either contain all that has been revealed? Certainly not!

Please elaborate. I don't know what I said that indicates that the Quran contains all that has been revealed. I was discussing the languages it was revealed in, so where did that come from?

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Please elaborate. I don't know what I said that indicates that the Quran contains all that has been revealed. I was discussing the languages it was revealed in, so where did that come from?

I will make it easy. When the Koran was first compiled in written form, which language was used?

[Peikko 1,575]

No, Confused2 is.

Ah, read that wrong. My version would have been funnier, by reason of total incongruity. Oh well.

[^_^ 5,021]

I will make it easy. When the Koran was first compiled in written form, which language was used?

If I say the alphabet out loud, is it not the alphabet? Does it need to be written down for it to be the alphabet?

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

To Muslims, the Quran is the Word of God and the ahadith of God.

If the original language of the Quran is Arabic, then what did the earlier prophets of Islam teach? Abraham didn't speak Arabic. Did he not have the Quran transmitted to him in the language he spoke and taught in? How about Moses? In what language did he receive the Quran, and in which language did he transmit the Message?

Likewise, Jesus didn't speak Arabic. Did he make up the Word as he went along, or did he receive the ahadith of God from which he taught in the language they all understood?

The Quran itself says that prior Messengers have received the Word in other languages:

"We have not sent any Messenger except with the language of his people so he can make things clear to them. Allah misguides anyone He wills and guides anyone He wills. He is the Almighty, the All-Wise. [Qur'an 14:4]

To the Arabs, he said:

"We have made the Qur'an easy in your language so that they may take heed it." [Qur'an 44:58]

Islam was not revealed first to a prophet on the Arabian Pennisula. It was revealed there last, so the Quran you know is in Arabic. But, Islam is universal and it itself proclaims that it was revealed in other languages before Arabic, so who are we to doubt this? Is Allah wrong?

Please read your Quran and study Islamic history. It gives me no pleasure to repeatedly correct you in such a public forum.

Before you start gloating and start offering advice perhaps you should remember what you posted. You have a habit of try to backtrack and evade but the QURAN was sent to one man only. It was not sent to anyone else. You should know this. You try to obfuscate but Muhammed (SAW) received the Quran, no one else. Jesus, Abraham, Moses and all the other prophets (PBUH) received revelations in their specific tongues. That's it. Now you are confusing the Quran with the Injil (Gospels), Zabur (Psalms) and Taurut (Torah). Islam was not first revealed to Muhammed (SAW), he was only the last of the prophets to receive THE WORD. The ahadith is separate from the Quran. They are the actions and sayings of the Prophet Muhammed (SAW) not GOD. The most important of these are the Hadith Qudsi which are Muhammed (SAW) quoting THE ALMIGHTY. All prophets set examples or their own so they have their own ahadith.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

If I say the alphabet out loud, is it not the alphabet? Does it need to be written down for it to be the alphabet?

Don't using your Hyundai mind-tricks on me, young troll!

Edited May 9, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Sofiyya 1,687]

I will make it easy. When the Koran was first compiled in written form, which language was used?

Forgive me, but what does that have to do with the secondary textual revelations?

[Peikko 1,575]

Don't using your Hindi mind-tricks on me, young troll!

I'm not sure about young in relation to years on this mortal coil or ability to troll. Experienced is what I would call it, and a fresh bag of peanuts

[IR5FORMUMSIE 850]

That is a big stretch of logic. The Bible and the Koran are just books. Do both include God's Word revealed to man? Perhaps. Does either contain all that has been revealed? Certainly not!

[Bad_Daddy 2,209]

A bag of peanuts actually sounds good right about now...unsalted of course with a coke.