Not another religious thread!!!

[iceyspots 0]

err.. someone is supposed to answer my YA RLY...

I did!

16.125 Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

I haven't said this because, well, even I am sometimes suseptible to political correctness. But it is getting hard to hold this back. Shannon, I don't know what's going one between you and Samir, but it doesn't make for a happy marriage. I do marriage counseling seminars for interfaith couples; I have for years. And while you and Samir are by no means the first couple I've seen where one or the other is highly insensitive to the others religion, these couples do not tend to last.

I will tell you from my experience, and remember, I was married to a Christian for nearly 30 years. It take lots of confidence, sensitivity, flexibility and respect to be in an interfaith marriage. People handle them one of two ways:

They lie about how they feel and what they do, or

They don't lie about what they feel and what they do.

This becomes even more pronounced once the couple, if they stay married long enough, have a child. I have known non-Muslim wives to have their children christened and baptized behind their husband's back after swearing they would not. Either way, if you cannot moderate your views to preserve the relationship, you will divorce or one of you will convert. It is a rare practicing Muslim who will allow their children to be raised as non-Muslim.

We have a family friend, a party guy, who married a Christian girl, came to the US full of love. Suddenly, presented with the relative decadence and hedonism of the secular west, he began to pray and grew a beard. Then, he refused to have children with his wife unless she converted. I recently learned that they have separated and plan to divorce. He has moved clear across the country alone. This is all within 3 years of their marriage.

10:99-100 If it had been your Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt or obscurity on those who will not understand.

I don't know Samir and I have no idea how devoted he is to Islam. If he is a practicing Muslim, he will have a breaking point. You are certainly not required to convert, but while you may think you know that Samir will put up with your opinions that, know it or not, demean his faith, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually live together. Many Muslims have never even met a non-Muslim or spent much time with any. Middle Easterners go out of their way to be polite and not speak of religion in mixed company to avoid conflict, so the chances that he has had much experience with opinionated non-Muslims is not high. Also, if he wants to hang among other Muslims in the US, your demeanor will become an issue.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to the e. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute

I have been in an interfaith marriage, so I have some understanding of how difficult and how rewarding they can be. However, I don't understand the psychology of a Muslim who would marry someone who is so rude to his/her religion, but the first thing that comes to mind is that he/she would be using you to immigrate. In your case, that is something for time to tell. As I said, you are not the first couple that I have seen with this dynamic. It leaves us scratching our heads, especially in the case of one couple we know who each hate and diminish the others religion and its adherents, but swear undying love for each other. They are still apart and none of us want to be around when they finally get together!

49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

None of what I have said is intended to be insulting, only advice. Insha'allah, you will take it in the spirit it has been offered.

first of all samir is a practicing muslim and second of all I AM NOT INSENSITIVE TO HIS RELIGION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been with him for 3 years! dont you think if i was insensitive he would know it by now?

Are you kidding me????????????

[samir_shannon 0]

16.125 Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

I haven't said this because, well, even I am sometimes suseptible to political correctness. But it is getting hard to hold this back. Shannon, I don't know what's going one between you and Samir, but it doesn't make for a happy marriage. I do marriage counseling seminars for interfaith couples; I have for years. And while you and Samir are by no means the first couple I've seen where one or the other is highly insensitive to the others religion, these couples do not tend to last.

I will tell you from my experience, and remember, I was married to a Christian for nearly 30 years. It take lots of confidence, sensitivity, flexibility and respect to be in an interfaith marriage. People handle them one of two ways:

They lie about how they feel and what they do, or

They don't lie about what they feel and what they do.

This becomes even more pronounced once the couple, if they stay married long enough, have a child. I have known non-Muslim wives to have their children christened and baptized behind their husband's back after swearing they would not. Either way, if you cannot moderate your views to preserve the relationship, you will divorce or one of you will convert. It is a rare practicing Muslim who will allow their children to be raised as non-Muslim.

We have a family friend, a party guy, who married a Christian girl, came to the US full of love. Suddenly, presented with the relative decadence and hedonism of the secular west, he began to pray and grew a beard. Then, he refused to have children with his wife unless she converted. I recently learned that they have separated and plan to divorce. He has moved clear across the country alone. This is all within 3 years of their marriage.

10:99-100 If it had been your Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt or obscurity on those who will not understand.

I don't know Samir and I have no idea how devoted he is to Islam. If he is a practicing Muslim, he will have a breaking point. You are certainly not required to convert, but while you may think you know that Samir will put up with your opinions that, know it or not, demean his faith, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually live together. Many Muslims have never even met a non-Muslim or spent much time with any. Middle Easterners go out of their way to be polite and not speak of religion in mixed company to avoid conflict, so the chances that he has had much experience with opinionated non-Muslims is not high. Also, if he wants to hang among other Muslims in the US, your demeanor will become an issue.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to the e. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute

I have been in an interfaith marriage, so I have some understanding of how difficult and how rewarding they can be. However, I don't understand the psychology of a Muslim who would marry someone who is so rude to his/her religion, but the first thing that comes to mind is that he/she would be using you to immigrate. In your case, that is something for time to tell. As I said, you are not the first couple that I have seen with this dynamic. It leaves us scratching our heads, especially in the case of one couple we know who each hate and diminish the others religion and its adherents, but swear undying love for each other. They are still apart and none of us want to be around when they finally get together!

49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

None of what I have said is intended to be insulting, only advice. Insha'allah, you will take it in the spirit it has been offered.

Szsz, the same concept has been explained to her many times. It is labeled as "attacking and judging my relationship".

Allahu Allem.

i take it as most of you are not accepting to the fact of there are two peole that can love each other and be together from different backgrounds.

[iceyspots 0]

16.125 Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

I haven't said this because, well, even I am sometimes suseptible to political correctness. But it is getting hard to hold this back. Shannon, I don't know what's going one between you and Samir, but it doesn't make for a happy marriage. I do marriage counseling seminars for interfaith couples; I have for years. And while you and Samir are by no means the first couple I've seen where one or the other is highly insensitive to the others religion, these couples do not tend to last.

I will tell you from my experience, and remember, I was married to a Christian for nearly 30 years. It take lots of confidence, sensitivity, flexibility and respect to be in an interfaith marriage. People handle them one of two ways:

They lie about how they feel and what they do, or

They don't lie about what they feel and what they do.

This becomes even more pronounced once the couple, if they stay married long enough, have a child. I have known non-Muslim wives to have their children christened and baptized behind their husband's back after swearing they would not. Either way, if you cannot moderate your views to preserve the relationship, you will divorce or one of you will convert. It is a rare practicing Muslim who will allow their children to be raised as non-Muslim.

We have a family friend, a party guy, who married a Christian girl, came to the US full of love. Suddenly, presented with the relative decadence and hedonism of the secular west, he began to pray and grew a beard. Then, he refused to have children with his wife unless she converted. I recently learned that they have separated and plan to divorce. He has moved clear across the country alone. This is all within 3 years of their marriage.

10:99-100 If it had been your Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt or obscurity on those who will not understand.

I don't know Samir and I have no idea how devoted he is to Islam. If he is a practicing Muslim, he will have a breaking point. You are certainly not required to convert, but while you may think you know that Samir will put up with your opinions that, know it or not, demean his faith, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually live together. Many Muslims have never even met a non-Muslim or spent much time with any. Middle Easterners go out of their way to be polite and not speak of religion in mixed company to avoid conflict, so the chances that he has had much experience with opinionated non-Muslims is not high. Also, if he wants to hang among other Muslims in the US, your demeanor will become an issue.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to the e. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute

I have been in an interfaith marriage, so I have some understanding of how difficult and how rewarding they can be. However, I don't understand the psychology of a Muslim who would marry someone who is so rude to his/her religion, but the first thing that comes to mind is that he/she would be using you to immigrate. In your case, that is something for time to tell. As I said, you are not the first couple that I have seen with this dynamic. It leaves us scratching our heads, especially in the case of one couple we know who each hate and diminish the others religion and its adherents, but swear undying love for each other. They are still apart and none of us want to be around when they finally get together!

49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

None of what I have said is intended to be insulting, only advice. Insha'allah, you will take it in the spirit it has been offered.

Szsz, the same concept has been explained to her many times. It is labeled as "attacking and judging my relationship".

Allahu Allem.

i take it as most of you are not accepting to the fact of there are two peole that can love each other and be together from different backgrounds.

There are a lot of interfaith marriages that go along very well... Unless it's an interfaith marriage that constantly ends in arguments and PUTTING OFF important decisions.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Shannon, I don't think you would know insensitive if it fell on you. Good luck, you'll need PLENTY of it!

Szsz, the same concept has been explained to her many times. It is labeled as "attacking and judging my relationship".

Allahu Allem.

Life is hard and then you die.

[samir_shannon 0]

i have stated things i dont agree with islam. openly. instead of saying ok shannon this is why we believe this and this is where it comes from .. most of you on here attacked me and insulted my relationship with my Samir and did nothing to show me anything new to make me change my opinion or teach me things . Maybe the only one really who was nice to me about it was SZSZSZ and Rahma. Icey, Moody and many others were so rude. Do you think i would want to convert if i dont learn anythnig about to teach me different than what i have been taught? icey you have not been a good expample at all. If i wanted someone to be a christian i would at least take the time to explain things to them and show them things. Its has been kind of hard with samir being 4,000 miles away. Also i told alot of you good things about the muslim peoleand that i had a few books and such that i have read. but if being a muslim means being like you , i dont know if i could do that.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i take it as most of you are not accepting to the fact of there are two peole that can love each other and be together from different backgrounds.

Been there, done that.

[jordanianprincess 0]

i have stated things i dont agree with islam. openly. instead of saying ok shannon this is why we believe this and this is where it comes from .. most of you on here attacked me and insulted my relationship with my Samir and did nothing to show me anything new to make me change my opinion or teach me things . Maybe the only one really who was nice to me about it was SZSZSZ and Rahma. Icey, Moody and many others were so rude. Do you think i would want to convert if i dont learn anythnig about to teach me different than what i have been taught? icey you have not been a good expample at all. If i wanted someone to be a christian i would at least take the time to explain things to them and show them things. Its has been kind of hard with samir being 4,000 miles away. Also i told alot of you good things about the muslim peoleand that i had a few books and such that i have read. but if being a muslim means being like you , i dont know if i could do that.

YOU DON"T CONVERT TO ISLAM BECAUSE OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY OR THINK! YOU DON'T CONVERT TO ANY RELIGION FOR THAT REASON!

[samir_shannon 0]

16.125 Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

I haven't said this because, well, even I am sometimes suseptible to political correctness. But it is getting hard to hold this back. Shannon, I don't know what's going one between you and Samir, but it doesn't make for a happy marriage. I do marriage counseling seminars for interfaith couples; I have for years. And while you and Samir are by no means the first couple I've seen where one or the other is highly insensitive to the others religion, these couples do not tend to last.

I will tell you from my experience, and remember, I was married to a Christian for nearly 30 years. It take lots of confidence, sensitivity, flexibility and respect to be in an interfaith marriage. People handle them one of two ways:

They lie about how they feel and what they do, or

They don't lie about what they feel and what they do.

This becomes even more pronounced once the couple, if they stay married long enough, have a child. I have known non-Muslim wives to have their children christened and baptized behind their husband's back after swearing they would not. Either way, if you cannot moderate your views to preserve the relationship, you will divorce or one of you will convert. It is a rare practicing Muslim who will allow their children to be raised as non-Muslim.

We have a family friend, a party guy, who married a Christian girl, came to the US full of love. Suddenly, presented with the relative decadence and hedonism of the secular west, he began to pray and grew a beard. Then, he refused to have children with his wife unless she converted. I recently learned that they have separated and plan to divorce. He has moved clear across the country alone. This is all within 3 years of their marriage.

10:99-100 If it had been your Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt or obscurity on those who will not understand.

I don't know Samir and I have no idea how devoted he is to Islam. If he is a practicing Muslim, he will have a breaking point. You are certainly not required to convert, but while you may think you know that Samir will put up with your opinions that, know it or not, demean his faith, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually live together. Many Muslims have never even met a non-Muslim or spent much time with any. Middle Easterners go out of their way to be polite and not speak of religion in mixed company to avoid conflict, so the chances that he has had much experience with opinionated non-Muslims is not high. Also, if he wants to hang among other Muslims in the US, your demeanor will become an issue.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to the e. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute

I have been in an interfaith marriage, so I have some understanding of how difficult and how rewarding they can be. However, I don't understand the psychology of a Muslim who would marry someone who is so rude to his/her religion, but the first thing that comes to mind is that he/she would be using you to immigrate. In your case, that is something for time to tell. As I said, you are not the first couple that I have seen with this dynamic. It leaves us scratching our heads, especially in the case of one couple we know who each hate and diminish the others religion and its adherents, but swear undying love for each other. They are still apart and none of us want to be around when they finally get together!

49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

None of what I have said is intended to be insulting, only advice. Insha'allah, you will take it in the spirit it has been offered.

Szsz, the same concept has been explained to her many times. It is labeled as "attacking and judging my relationship".

Allahu Allem.

i take it as most of you are not accepting to the fact of there are two peole that can love each other and be together from different backgrounds.

There are a lot of interfaith marriages that go along very well... Unless it's an interfaith marriage that constantly ends in arguments and PUTTING OFF important decisions.

well for your information samir and i have made many important decisions lately. our children are being raised muslim thank you very much... thats how insensitive i am.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

YOU DON"T CONVERT TO ISLAM BECAUSE OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY OR THINK! YOU DON'T CONVERT TO ANY RELIGION FOR THAT REASON!

What she said . . .

Edited September 8, 2006 by szsz

[Veiled Princess 1]

well for your information samir and i have made many important decisions lately. our children are being raised muslim thank you very much... thats how insensitive i am.

Will you openly be making fun of him being hurt when someone makes fun of our prophet to his face or will you reserve that until after he's turned his back?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Shut up, ladies. For the love of God, shut the fukc up.

[iceyspots 0]

16.125 Invite all to the Way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For your Lord knows best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.

I haven't said this because, well, even I am sometimes suseptible to political correctness. But it is getting hard to hold this back. Shannon, I don't know what's going one between you and Samir, but it doesn't make for a happy marriage. I do marriage counseling seminars for interfaith couples; I have for years. And while you and Samir are by no means the first couple I've seen where one or the other is highly insensitive to the others religion, these couples do not tend to last.

I will tell you from my experience, and remember, I was married to a Christian for nearly 30 years. It take lots of confidence, sensitivity, flexibility and respect to be in an interfaith marriage. People handle them one of two ways:

They lie about how they feel and what they do, or

They don't lie about what they feel and what they do.

This becomes even more pronounced once the couple, if they stay married long enough, have a child. I have known non-Muslim wives to have their children christened and baptized behind their husband's back after swearing they would not. Either way, if you cannot moderate your views to preserve the relationship, you will divorce or one of you will convert. It is a rare practicing Muslim who will allow their children to be raised as non-Muslim.

We have a family friend, a party guy, who married a Christian girl, came to the US full of love. Suddenly, presented with the relative decadence and hedonism of the secular west, he began to pray and grew a beard. Then, he refused to have children with his wife unless she converted. I recently learned that they have separated and plan to divorce. He has moved clear across the country alone. This is all within 3 years of their marriage.

10:99-100 If it had been your Lord's will, they would all have believed, all who are on earth! will you then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt or obscurity on those who will not understand.

I don't know Samir and I have no idea how devoted he is to Islam. If he is a practicing Muslim, he will have a breaking point. You are certainly not required to convert, but while you may think you know that Samir will put up with your opinions that, know it or not, demean his faith, the proof will be in the pudding when you actually live together. Many Muslims have never even met a non-Muslim or spent much time with any. Middle Easterners go out of their way to be polite and not speak of religion in mixed company to avoid conflict, so the chances that he has had much experience with opinionated non-Muslims is not high. Also, if he wants to hang among other Muslims in the US, your demeanor will become an issue.

5.48 To thee We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what God hath revealed, and follow not their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that hath come to the e. To each among you have we prescribed a law and an open way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but (His plan is) to test you in what He hath given you: so strive as in a race in all virtues. The goal of you all is to God; it is He that will show you the truth of the matters in which ye dispute

I have been in an interfaith marriage, so I have some understanding of how difficult and how rewarding they can be. However, I don't understand the psychology of a Muslim who would marry someone who is so rude to his/her religion, but the first thing that comes to mind is that he/she would be using you to immigrate. In your case, that is something for time to tell. As I said, you are not the first couple that I have seen with this dynamic. It leaves us scratching our heads, especially in the case of one couple we know who each hate and diminish the others religion and its adherents, but swear undying love for each other. They are still apart and none of us want to be around when they finally get together!

49.13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

None of what I have said is intended to be insulting, only advice. Insha'allah, you will take it in the spirit it has been offered.

Szsz, the same concept has been explained to her many times. It is labeled as "attacking and judging my relationship".

Allahu Allem.

i take it as most of you are not accepting to the fact of there are two peole that can love each other and be together from different backgrounds.

There are a lot of interfaith marriages that go along very well... Unless it's an interfaith marriage that constantly ends in arguments and PUTTING OFF important decisions.

well for your information samir and i have made many important decisions lately. our children are being raised muslim thank you very much... thats how insensitive i am.

What about the importance of them eating halal meat, *especially during ramadan* are you insensitive towards that as well?

[Sofiyya 1,687]

Ok, people. We are making Shannon defensive and while that may feel good for a while, it is counterproductive and not in the spirit of our faith. She is our sister in the Abrahamic faiths, and whether you noticed it or not, she did ask for guidance. Please be an honorable example of what you want to see in her.

[iceyspots 0]

Shut up, ladies. For the love of God, shut the fukc up.

lolol we missed you mr. smith

[samir_shannon 0]

i have stated things i dont agree with islam. openly. instead of saying ok shannon this is why we believe this and this is where it comes from .. most of you on here attacked me and insulted my relationship with my Samir and did nothing to show me anything new to make me change my opinion or teach me things . Maybe the only one really who was nice to me about it was SZSZSZ and Rahma. Icey, Moody and many others were so rude. Do you think i would want to convert if i dont learn anythnig about to teach me different than what i have been taught? icey you have not been a good expample at all. If i wanted someone to be a christian i would at least take the time to explain things to them and show them things. Its has been kind of hard with samir being 4,000 miles away. Also i told alot of you good things about the muslim peoleand that i had a few books and such that i have read. but if being a muslim means being like you , i dont know if i could do that.

YOU DON"T CONVERT TO ISLAM BECAUSE OF WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY OR THINK! YOU DON'T CONVERT TO ANY RELIGION FOR THAT REASON!

i am not converting because i dont know enough to convert. and my remark meant that some people should be setting an example. being treated the way i have in this forum sometimes make me think that some people in here just want to be mean to others because I have specifically said i join the conversatins because i get some input from muslims out of them. but, when people are hateful and dont want to contribute anything about islam itself (and tell me where some of the beliefs come from ) it makes me wonder if they are true muslims themselves. instead of being rude i wish that people would have explained some things. but oh well. it is what it is.