Bin Laden 'firefight': Only one man was armed

[Peikko 1,575]

Well, the good news is Democrats still control the Senate and the White House. So this will not become law just yet. Maybe in 2013.

I heard that too. This obsession with controlling morality via medical procedure is insane.

[The Dude 206]

Well, the good news is Democrats still control the Senate and the White House. So this will not become law just yet. Maybe in 2013.

Senate democrats won't do anything. They are too scared of not being re-elected. Furthermore, they senate democrats aren't as lock step party line followers like the republicans. Whether that is a function of Reid's poor leadership or genuine differences, I don't know.

[Little_My 464]

Democratic discourse is one thing. Playing "who can prove the others wrong more often no matter what the actual truth is"-game is another. Both parties do that. They can disclose the photos - someone will say they are fake, with expert witnesses testifying to that. They could have kept the body and brought it to the US - Muslim world, especially those supporting Osama, would have accused them for not burying him according to his religion within 24 hours, and even if there was an autopsy there would be no way for a medical examiner to determine if killing him was justified or not. They could say "yep, he's dead" - that's about it. They could have, maybe, captured him alive - there is no way that under those circumstances, the location where he would have been kept would have been disclosed, that would have been too risky. There would be conspiracy theories about that.

This is my point. There is absolutely no way to get this right - and I think it would have been the same under a republican president. No matter what they choose to do, it won't stop the speculation.

And honestly - does someone really, really think that the Obama administration would be stupid and crazy enough to actually lie about him being dead, without being absolutely 100% sure that they got the right guy? And if that is not really under questioning, but more the circumstances surrounding his death, then the body or the pictures would not prove anything additional.

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Senate democrats won't do anything. They are too scared of not being re-elected. Furthermore, they senate democrats aren't as lock step party line followers like the republicans. Whether that is a function of Reid's poor leadership or genuine differences, I don't know.

Senate Democrats will not pass this into law. The protection of a woman's reproductive rights is bedrock principle in the Democratic Party.

And if they decide to all turn into a bunch of DINOs, the President will veto. This will not become law, not this year.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Totally disgusting trying to exclude a legal procedure from being accessible to vast numbers of women. 'No dear, you can't have an abortion so you can undergo life saving treatment unless you pay out of pocket, your baby is worth more than you are so just die already - but not until you've carried that precious baby American to term'

No one is excluding anything. It just says you can't use your neighbors money to do so. Which is fair enough.

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No one is excluding anything. It just says you can't use your neighbors money to do so. Which is fair enough.

One's pretax earnings do not belong to one's neighbor. Isn't that what you RWNs have been saying to rebut the allegation that Big Oil is the recipient of 'subsidies'?

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Democratic discourse is one thing. Playing "who can prove the others wrong more often no matter what the actual truth is"-game is another. Both parties do that. They can disclose the photos - someone will say they are fake, with expert witnesses testifying to that. They could have kept the body and brought it to the US - Muslim world, especially those supporting Osama, would have accused them for not burying him according to his religion within 24 hours, and even if there was an autopsy there would be no way for a medical examiner to determine if killing him was justified or not. They could say "yep, he's dead" - that's about it. They could have, maybe, captured him alive - there is no way that under those circumstances, the location where he would have been kept would have been disclosed, that would have been too risky. There would be conspiracy theories about that.

This is my point. There is absolutely no way to get this right - and I think it would have been the same under a republican president. No matter what they choose to do, it won't stop the speculation.

And honestly - does someone really, really think that the Obama administration would be stupid and crazy enough to actually lie about him being dead, without being absolutely 100% sure that they got the right guy? And if that is not really under questioning, but more the circumstances surrounding his death, then the body or the pictures would not prove anything additional.

Yes. Especially when you provide ZERO evidence of what you are saying.

It's not uncommon for this government to lie to push an agenda or to sway public opinion/attitude. They done it for a very very long time under several administrations.

[The Dude 206]

Senate Democrats will not pass this into law. The protection of a woman's reproductive rights is bedrock principle in the Democratic Party.

And if they decide to all turn into a bunch of DINOs, the President will veto. This will not become law, not this year.

Protection of a woman's reproductive rights is a tenet of progressive, not the blue dogs. I would hope the senate would not pass a ####### like this bill, but I don't have any faith in them.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

One's pretax earnings do not belong to one's neighbor. Isn't that what you RWNs have been saying to rebut the allegation that Big Oil is the recipient of 'subsidies'?

are elective procedures covered under medical deductions otherwise?

[Peikko 1,575]

Needing a boost in approval ratings? Something to push the birth certificate thing out of the news? A need for increased security measures to 'reassure' people the Patriot Act is AOK still. I mean after all, we are putting metal dectectors back in places they weren't, increasing security all around, more searches, pat downs, etc. already... Everything is always about 'timing.'

'Everyone' doesn't need to know either. Just look at the multiple instances of insiders who have been a part of the past 3 administrations in one way or another.

Just look at how the story is changing every moment it seems.

First Osama was armed and firing... then he wasn't.

First there was a video.... then there wasn't.

First we had photos..... no now you can't see them.

First there was a body.... but we threw it overboard.

First it was a huge battle in the mansion..... now only 1 person was armed out of the 5 killed.

All we have is government officials coming out and 'telling us' that he was allegedly shot/killed.

I'm sorry that I don't buy this for the umpteeth time he's been 'allegedly' said to be dead by people, including 3 or 4 times in the past by government officials who were 'pretty sure' he had been killed already.

You can disagree with my assessment all you want, but I need a little more than the government just 'telling me' how it is.

That's so true Paul, all we have is Obama and his lackeys pushing us around; making us believe this, then that, then the other thing. We have no other sources of information or abilities to weight how we view the veracity of what we are being told via the Whitehouse. I mean, it's a real cool move to piss of the Pakistani govmint just to boost approval ratings at the crucial point in the election cycle - and the production of the long form birth cert really didn't work that well did it? Oh, that's right, he released his birth cert (while knowing he had the Osama story up his sleeve) and when that dind't go so well, he thought, well I can always use my ace card, now's the perfect time, right?

I take it that you don't believe he's dead then? Or perhaps you believe that this isn't the last time we are going to be 'told' that he's dead? Or perhaps Bush killed him personally in 2001 and he's got a book coming out for the 2012 election which will aid Trump to get elected? What other conspiracies do you have for us Paul? Perhaps you can come up with one before it happens, rather than trying to find the least likely explanation for everything once something has happened?

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are elective procedures covered under medical deductions otherwise?

It's their own money and now big government is saying they are going to take it. How are you ok with this?

[Vi-Jay 218]

and even if there was an autopsy there would be no way for a medical examiner to determine if killing him was justified or not. They could say "yep, he's dead" - that's about it. They could have, maybe, captured him alive - there is no way that under those circumstances, the location where he would have been kept would have been disclosed, that would have been too risky.

, really think that the Obama administration would be stupid and crazy enough to actually lie about him being dead, without being absolutely 100% sure that they got the right guy? And if that is not really under questioning, but more the circumstances surrounding his death, then the body or the pictures would not prove anything additional.

1. Of course an autopsy was performed. Carney refused to answer q's 'bout it yesterday.

2. A forensic expert can certainly determine possibility of an execution style wound.

3. Perhaps, they did take him alive? The 1st shot was to the chest. Could have wounded him (like they did his wife) and took him into captivity.

4. To protect all of us the govt., issues disinformation. States he is dead and already buried. Puts the A$$hole in a black hole and begins advanced interrogation methods. Kudos to Obama if they are doing that!

5. Yes! This administration is like the Keystone cops, sometimes. Look at their track record!

6. Give the pictures to a forensic scientist's and let them decide if there is a leaning conclusion!?

Edited May 5, 2011 by Vi-Jay

[spookyturtle 9,466]

As I've said. 3 years later.

People like him. Groups like that, do not deny their involvement in such activities as that. They are proud, they gloat, etc.

The video doesn't even really look identical to him anyway if you want to get down to it.

If Bin Laden was responsible, he would have stood loud and proud from day 1. Instead he was just the boogeyman blamed by the US Media and member of our Government before ANY facts were on the table. It took them less than 2 hours to start mentioning Osama Bin Laden on 9/11.

I guess you know it all. Were you consulted at any time during this operation? I'm sure that you believe bin Laden since he's such an upstanding guy. You sound more like BY everyday, your source is credible but all others aren't.

As I've stated, you don't understand the mentality of people like this.

But you do. Interesting.

[The Dude 206]

I guess you know it all. Were you consulted at any time during this operation? I'm sure that you believe bin Laden since he's such an upstanding guy. You sound more like BY everyday, your source is credible but all others aren't.

Of course they didn't consult Paul. If they had, the Seals would have only used one bullet, and had jerry bruckheimer to produce the video that would released in theaters this friday of the execution.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Needing a boost in approval ratings? Something to push the birth certificate thing out of the news? A need for increased security measures to 'reassure' people the Patriot Act is AOK still. I mean after all, we are putting metal dectectors back in places they weren't, increasing security all around, more searches, pat downs, etc. already... Everything is always about 'timing.'

'Everyone' doesn't need to know either. Just look at the multiple instances of insiders who have been a part of the past 3 administrations in one way or another.

Just look at how the story is changing every moment it seems.

First Osama was armed and firing... then he wasn't.

First there was a video.... then there wasn't.

First we had photos..... no now you can't see them.

First there was a body.... but we threw it overboard.

First it was a huge battle in the mansion..... now only 1 person was armed out of the 5 killed.

All we have is government officials coming out and 'telling us' that he was allegedly shot/killed.

I'm sorry that I don't buy this for the umpteeth time he's been 'allegedly' said to be dead by people, including 3 or 4 times in the past by government officials who were 'pretty sure' he had been killed already.

You can disagree with my assessment all you want, but I need a little more than the government just 'telling me' how it is.

Who would you believe if they told you? Would it have to be a conspiracy theory source? A RWN site? Clients at Bellevue?