Did Obama Order the Murder Of OBL?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Please. Let's be honest.

If GWB was President the left wingers would be calling for his head/impeachment for killing an unarmed man. I mean after all, the 'war crimes' are numerous and this would be the nail in the coffin in their eyes.

I just love the change of tone because it's Obama.

Hypocrisy is amazing!

I'd be just as happy no matter who was President. I wish Bush would have gotten him while he was still in office. His entire Presidency was affected by this piece of dogshit. The world is a better place without bin Laden.

[pink_camaro 0]

ditto b_j! Couldn't care less if he was unarmed or not. He got what he deserved and he is probably burning in hell right now. I don't understand why some people are whining and questioning the occurrences during the raid by the Navy Seals . What matters is that the top terrorist is killed and no soldier was harmed. They should be thankful that the most wanted man is dead. I am also impressed that Pres. Obama did not go with the one of the first advices which was to bomb the compound, because if they bombed it then there would be no evidences left. From what I read, he thought by himself to bring in the special forces to do the job which I think is the best decision. Couldn't be any more happier with the outcome.

[luckytxn 2,264]

What is amazing is that there has been two things that I require of my president for me to be happy and one is a balanced budget and hopefully a surplus and no deficit spending. The other is to blow Bin Laden away. The amazing part is that it was Clinton and Obama that accomplished these things.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'm surprised that Paul would even bring this up. When Congresswomen Gifford was shot in Arizona he said public officials take the risk of being shot and shouldn't get special protection from the police. And now he cries foul about bin Laden? Appalling.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why do you call this shooting murder Paul? Execution I could understand, but as you can justify shooting unarmed Mexicans for simply crossing the US border (I know, I know, qualified by the fact that they can only be shot if they have a sign on them saying this is not their first offence), how come you can't justify shooting Bin Laden simply for being a terrorist? Mind you, I already know the answer, it is all to point the fickle finger of hypocrisy at libruls - nothing else matters it would seem.

I have already said that I would have preferred it if he had been captured, but I can quite easily see how regardless of whether he personally was armed or not, the killing can be justified. The navy seals are not idiots out for a jaunt with their guns who can't stop themselves from killing anything that moves. They are highly trained and I can certainly trust that they would take the most reasonable course of action - Bin Laden wasn't sitting around playing solitaire in an empty compound.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

I'm surprised that Paul would even bring this up. When Congresswomen Gifford was shot in Arizona he said public officials take the risk of being shot and shouldn't get special protection from the police. And now he cries foul about bin Laden? Appalling.

I said there are associated risks with the job that are known when you take certain positions.

I'm 'crying foul' because of the hypocrisy that is going to take place and because the story all of a sudden changes 2 days later.

I don't give a flying ####### about Bin Bo Bo (or whatever boogeyman the government wants to put out there, can't wait to see who's next actually).

We're not talking about me though, so please stick on topic.

Thanks.

[Obama 2012 1,714]

Why do you call this shooting murder Paul? Execution I could understand, but as you can justify shooting unarmed Mexicans for simply crossing the US border (I know, I know, qualified by the fact that they can only be shot if they have a sign on them saying this is not their first offence), how come you can't justify shooting Bin Laden simply for being a terrorist? Mind you, I already know the answer, it is all to point the fickle finger of hypocrisy at libruls - nothing else matters it would seem.

I have already said that I would have preferred it if he had been captured, but I can quite easily see how regardless of whether he personally was armed or not, the killing can be justified. The navy seals are not idiots out for a jaunt with their guns who can't stop themselves from killing anything that moves. They are highly trained and I can certainly trust that they would take the most reasonable course of action - Bin Laden wasn't sitting around playing solitaire in an empty compound.

Here's one for you, if someone breaks into your home, you can shoot them. It's not murder.

If you break into someone else's home however and shoot them and they are unarmed......

As I said, I don't really care, but I'm amazed at how many people 'ignore' certain things just because of who it is at the end of the bullet in this situation.

[Peikko 1,575]

Here's one for you, if someone breaks into your home, you can shoot them. It's not murder.

If you break into someone else's home however and shoot them and they are unarmed......

As I said, I don't really care, but I'm amazed at how many people 'ignore' certain things just because of who it is at the end of the bullet in this situation.

No one was breaking into a house; this was a military action and as I said, whether or not Bin Laden was armed himself, there certainly were armed combatants in the compound. You're lack of logic is breathtaking. It really takes some doing to believe that people are accepting a specific military action based on whether it was done under a Liberal or conservative president. There really has been no divergent thinking on the need to eliminate Bin Laden based on ideological differences in the US government. Everyone has wanted him out of the picture. You are really being more than obtuse with this line of thinking.

Edited May 4, 2011 by The Truth™

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I'm amazed at how someone can put such a twisted spin on bin Laden's death. Especially an American.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Paul, start making some sense will you? You couldn't be more ludicrous if you tried

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

They captured Manuel Noriega without any problem. They found Saddam Hussien in his hidey-hole. I still wonder why they didn't even try to take Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʿAwaḍ bin Lādin alive.

Edited May 4, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Because then you'd be stuck with the problem of what to do with him.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Because then you'd be stuck with the problem of what to do with him.

Charles! could babysit him until trial time. Isn't that what Eric Holder has been wanting all along?

ETA. Maybe he could bunk with Charlie Manson in California after he was convicted and they can compare hair sculptures.

Edited May 4, 2011 by Some Old Guy

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Dead is easier

[Peikko 1,575]

They captured Manuel Noriega without any problem. They found Saddam Hussien in his hidey-hole. I still wonder why they didn't even try to take Usāmah bin Muḥammad bin ʿAwaḍ bin Lādin alive.

Asked about the final confrontation with bin Laden, Panetta said: "I don't think he had a lot of time to say anything." The CIA chief told PBS NewsHour, "It was a firefight going up that compound. ... I think it - this was all split-second action on the part of the SEALs."

Panetta said that bin Laden made "some threatening moves that were made that clearly represented a clear threat to our guys. And that's the reason they fired."

if he had in fact thrown up his hands, surrendered and didn't appear to be representing any kind of threat, then they were to capture him. But they had full authority to kill him."

It's all right there in the article. Of course, you can choose not to believe Panetta, I am sure there is an argument to suggest that maybe they didn't try hard enough to capture him alive, but it's not one that really goes anywhere. Now, I guess if Obama had said he must be captured not killed regardless of the consequences to the Seals, some of the Seals might have died trying to bring that about or he might have got away, but that's trying to re-write history, do you even want to go there? The real question is, should Obama have demanded that he be brought in alive or not. They were certainly not told to kill him or else, that I am sure of.

Edited May 4, 2011 by The Truth™