proof of meeting in last two years - any suggestions?

[gretchen_darren 67]

under the VWP, there is no requirement for significant ties. It is assumed they wish to stay in their home country. there is NO VISA needed from the consulate. Study the VWP, it is much much more looser then you know. there are 36 countries under the VWP. Just a passport is all you need to come visit America. the driver's license, the apartment lease, the bills being together. There is no common law marriage in Italy. It would be better for them to marry there and an I-130 then try for a K-1. However, a K-1 would also be a slam dunk as well, since they have lived together. they just get a couple of affidavits from friends, lawyers, and get a notarized letter from the embassy there.

[max+patricia 24]

under the VWP, there is no requirement for significant ties. It is assumed they wish to stay in their home country. there is NO VISA needed from the consulate. Study the VWP, it is much much more looser then you know. there are 36 countries under the VWP. Just a passport is all you need to come visit America. the driver's license, the apartment lease, the bills being together. There is no common law marriage in Italy. It would be better for them to marry there and an I-130 then try for a K-1. However, a K-1 would also be a slam dunk as well, since they have lived together. they just get a couple of affidavits from friends, lawyers, and get a notarized letter from the embassy there.

Entering under VWP isn't a guarantee of anything. The issue of presenting significant ties comes from POE. When asked who you're here to see and the answer is "my fiancee" or "my spouse" - be prepared to explain. It doesn't matter where you're from.

[AlinaH 38]

Entering under VWP isn't a guarantee of anything. The issue of presenting significant ties comes from POE. When asked who you're here to see and the answer is "my fiancee" or "my spouse" - be prepared to explain. It doesn't matter where you're from.

Exactly. I'm from Canada, a VWP country. However, I may still, and have in the past, have to prove that I am coming back to my own country. Right after we got engaged, in Canada, Will and I drove to California from BC and I took letters from my employers stating that they expected my return. While coming from a VWP country is definitely easier, it still is not a guarantee. And while you may not be asked for any ties, it is definitely a possibility, especially if in a relationship with a USC. They can and will deny you entry if they believe your intent is to stay. It doesn't matter what country you're from.

[max+patricia 24]

Exactly. I'm from Canada, a VWP country. However, I may still, and have in the past, have to prove that I am coming back to my own country. Right after we got engaged, in Canada, Will and I drove to California from BC and I took letters from my employers stating that they expected my return. While coming from a VWP country is definitely easier, it still is not a guarantee. And while you may not be asked for any ties, it is definitely a possibility, especially if in a relationship with a USC. They can and will deny you entry if they believe your intent is to stay. It doesn't matter what country you're from.

My fiancee is from a non-VWP country and has had a B-2 multi-entry visa for 20+ years. She said the only time she's EVER been grilled at POE was this most recent entry - and all because she said the word "fiance"

Better to be prepared, than to not!

[thelastpetitioner 218]

you could take a picture of you two together holding today's newspaper

as funny as it sounds,US embassy in ankara has asked a couple of iranians to do the same actually they asked petitioner ( not a k-1 case )to go back the states,take a picture of himself holding todays newspaper in front of a very famous landmark or bank

OP send any legal document you have with both of your names on it

My fiancee is from a non-VWP country and has had a B-2 multi-entry visa for 20+ years. She said the only time she's EVER been grilled at POE was this most recent entry - and all because she said the word "fiance"

Better to be prepared, than to not!

i know it makes me sound like such a creep,but i have seen your pics in the gallery a couple of times and you guys are such a beautiful couple

[quickatie 0]

you could take a picture of you two together holding today's newspaper

I totally thought of that, haha!! My fiancé just laughed at me and thought I was joking when I mentioned it. HA! And to thelastpetitioner, that's relieving that in the past it was actually suggested by a US embassy!!

I will definitely throw that in there, too. Here's the kicker, though: should the newspaper be an English language newspaper?? I live in a tourist city and there are several English papers that you can get here. Will having the paper in Italian require (yet another) translation? Will having the paper in English rise suspicion because, afterall, our papers say that we're in Italy? Am I overthinking this?? I think I am!

Maybe we'll take the pic with an English and Italian paper while eating pizza, playing a mandolin and standing in front of some famous Italian monument. That should clear things up, right?

Thank you all so much for your suggestions! Keep 'em coming if you have any more!

[quickatie 0]

wow.. did you even look at things??? Italy is a VWP country. Y'all can come and go as you please. Your significant other can come and go all the time. filing for a k-1 or for an i-130 does not matter. You can still visit the US an go back and forth. However, if you marry in the US, you need to remain until AP is given. Marrying in italy may not be a problem. but would not recommend until a K1 is filed and approved. the nice part is your finace can come and stay here while waiting. Your fiance does not have to wait in Italy. You just need to be careful on the entry and exits times allowed so as not to get in trouble with your fiance stay in the US going over the limits.

As a few other posters mentioned, our intentions are 1. to get married and 2. to stay in the US after our wedding. So, we're not really interested in being able to come back and forth from the US to Italy. Marrying in Italy is possible only with incredible amounts of paperwork and long wait times. DCF route is quicker for people who are already married, or can get married quickly. And call me stubborn, but I'm not thrilled about the idea of a quickie Las Vegas wedding. It would mean going back to the US for a quick trip in the beginning of high season (lots of money on airfare), having to be back in Italy to file DCF and then potentially having to stay in Italy while my papers are being handled (someone correct me if I'm wrong!!)

I'm also aware that my fiancé will "technically" be able to come to the US for less than 90 days for any visits while we are waiting for the fiancé visa....with sufficient proof that he'll be on his way back to Italy within 90 days. Although we're less concerned about this point.

My priorities are very few: I want to go the the States as soon as I can and return to living there permanently, my fiancé and I will just be apart for the time we are waiting for our papers. I would preferrably like to have just one wedding (no quickie Las Vegas deal just to get the paperwork out of the way) and I would really REALLY like my dad to walk me down the aisle. Perhaps this last point should have been the second point on my list. My very first wish would actually be that my dad is perfectly healthy... but obviously, I can't just wish things to happen.

I appreciate ALL input and especially anyone who can show me the light on the best way of going about this (especially if I'm being foolish in taking the fiancé visa route). So thank you to EVERYONE again!

[stu redman 4]

hi also something to add you should see if you can marry in a country next to Italy you just have to be married dcf will be a lot easier you wont have to deal with California or Vermont and less expensive than the k1 also you my need a cosponsor because you wont have tax returns for the u.s. also you could have a ceremony here for your dad and family and just do the paper wedding over there. good luck and read all the guides to see the best way for you

[LookyWhatIFound 38]

hi also something to add you should see if you can marry in a country next to Italy you just have to be married dcf will be a lot easier you wont have to deal with California or Vermont and less expensive than the k1 also you my need a cosponsor because you wont have tax returns for the u.s. also you could have a ceremony here for your dad and family and just do the paper wedding over there. good luck and read all the guides to see the best way for you

For that I would suggest South Cyprus, they'll get you married almost the same day!

[newlyweds2010 208]

I totally thought of that, haha!! My fiancé just laughed at me and thought I was joking when I mentioned it. HA! And to thelastpetitioner, that's relieving that in the past it was actually suggested by a US embassy!!

I will definitely throw that in there, too. Here's the kicker, though: should the newspaper be an English language newspaper?? I live in a tourist city and there are several English papers that you can get here. Will having the paper in Italian require (yet another) translation? Will having the paper in English rise suspicion because, afterall, our papers say that we're in Italy? Am I overthinking this?? I think I am!

Maybe we'll take the pic with an English and Italian paper while eating pizza, playing a mandolin and standing in front of some famous Italian monument. That should clear things up, right?

Thank you all so much for your suggestions! Keep 'em coming if you have any more!

Why not both? Corriere della Sera AND NY Times. In front of the Colosseo with the fake Roman gladiators.

[thelastpetitioner 218]

Why not both? Corriere della Sera AND NY Times. In front of the Colosseo with the fake Roman gladiators.

what this person said,maybe even in old roman clothes?

dont forget to share the picture