Cindy Sheehan admits having fantasies of going back in time and killing the infant George W Bush

[GaryC 7]

Face it, whether or not you agree with the reasons for going into Iraq the fault still is with Saddam. If he wasn't such a Chopf##k we would have had no reason to do anything.

But if Bush wasn't such a chopfcuk, we wouldn't be there either.

No problem, I can see you give Saddam a break before you would Bush. Showing your colors there. Nice.

Where have I given Saddam a break before Bush? Saddam is a fcuking tyrant. An #######. I never said anything different. All I'm saying at the same time, though, is that Bush ain't much better. Bush complained about Saddam dissing the UN and then he dissed the UN himself, lied to the American (and world) public so he can illegally attack Iraq. Bush ain't no damn saint and he is in absolutely no position to be pointing fingers at anybody. He is a dangerous and lying crook. That's all he is.

Aw come on man! Don't mince words, tell us what you really think!!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

So you are saying that since we in the past got him started, not Bush by the way, that we should just let him go and do what he wanted? What kind of twisted logic is that? Just because he was at one time our puppet does not forgive the sh!t he did after.

Actually we supported Iraq during the Iran Iraq war - when he was gassing people.

Exactly. This illegal act of aggression against Iraq was not about Saddam killing or gassing people. It never was. He's done that while he was a US ally and we didn't exactly oust him for it then. Quite the opposite. Alas, there are governments all over the place today that brutally kill their people and Bush don't give a hoot about it.

Bush as the humanitarian savior? Give me a break already!

[GaryC 7]

Man you need to calm down. You are so filled with hate your gonna blow a gasket. I know people like you. It started in 2000 when Gore lost the election and from that point on anything Bush did was wrong. The more he did the you hate. It's a sad way to go through life. I didn't like Clinton, thought he was the worst president to disgrace the white house but I never spit venom like you are. Get some perspective for your own good!

Edited September 8, 2006 by Iniibig ko si Luz forever

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I would hardly say Iraq has been convenient or easy as you keep saying. And Bush said from the begining that it was going to be a hard long road.

Odd: His Secretary of Defense actually went on record saying that this was going to take 5 months max. And Bush actually believed it was over on May 1, 2003. Remember?

"I can't say if the use of force would last five days or five weeks or five months, but it certainly isn't going to last any longer than that."

May 1, 2003

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Man you need to calm down. You are so filled with hate your gonna blow a gasket. I know people like you. It started in 2000 when Gore lost the election and from that point on anything Bush did was wrong. The more he did the you hate. It's a sad way to go through life. I didn't like Clinton, thought he was the worst president to disgrace the white house but I never spit venom like you are. Get some perspective for your own good!

Firstly, you don't know me.

Secondly, I have a feeling that you'd be one of those huys that drooled quite actively when the Congress wasted precious time and funds to pursue this impeachment against Clinton.

Thirdly, Bush will go on record as one of the worst Presidents in history. He's fcuked a lot of things up.

Yes, I was shocked in 2000. What went down during that election was aweful. But the Supreme Court spoke and I can respect that. Later, I was actually happy that Bush was President when 9/11 came around. Thought to myself: Good to have a guy in the White House that is going to find those responsible for the attacks. I supported the action against the Taliban in Afghanistan without question. It was the right thing to do. And it was approached the right way - with proper international support and backing. I started dissenting in mid/late 2002 when it became clear that Bush pushed for and wanted nothing as badly as the war in Iraq even if it meant that he'd have to lie to the public, break international law and go it alone with Blair to get it.

[GaryC 7]

Firstly, you don't know me.

Secondly, I have a feeling that you'd be one of those huys that drooled quite actively when the Congress wasted precious time and funds to pursue this impeachment against Clinton.

Thirdly, Bush will go on record as one of the worst Presidents in history. He's fcuked a lot of things up.

Yes, I was shocked in 2000. What went down during that election was aweful. But the Supreme Court spoke and I can respect that. Later, I was actually happy that Bush was President when 9/11 came around. Thought to myself: Good to have a guy in the White House that is going to find those responsible for the attacks. I supported the action against the Taliban in Afghanistan without question. It was the right thing to do. And it was approached the right way - with proper international support and backing. I started dissenting in mid/late 2002 when it became clear that Bush pushed for and wanted nothing as badly as the war in Iraq even if it meant that he'd have to lie to the public, break international law and go it alone with Blair to get it.

Well, you don't know me either. I thought the impeachment was a total waste of time. There were much more important things for congress to be doing besides trotting out stained dresses and stinky cigars.

Afganistan was very right for Bush to do. So we at least agree on that.

I am sorry we are so apposed to each other on Iraq. It really doesn't matter to me one way or another why we went in. I still think it was the right thing to do. Europe was so in bed with Saddam with that oil-for-food thing that there was no way to get a UN consent. That still doesn't make it wrong for Bush to take the ####### out. Saddam was a dangerous evil dictator and for the sake of his people and the sake of the middle east he needed to go. I know things are bad there right now but I honestly believe that in the end the world will be a better place without him. The Iraq government took control of their army the other day. That is a big step. The violence is being caused by a very small minority and they will eventually be defeated as long as we don't leave the Iraq people hanging. I pray and hope that whoever takes congress later this year and the White House in 2 years will realize the greater good that needs to be addressed here and make the hard choice to see this to the end.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I supported the action against the Taliban in Afghanistan without question. It was the right thing to do. And it was approached the right way - with proper international support and backing.

Well, you don't know me either. I thought the impeachment was a total waste of time. There were much more important things for congress to be doing besides trotting out stained dresses and stinky cigars.

Afganistan was very right for Bush to do. So we at least agree on that.

So, we actually agree on two things, then.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I would hardly say Iraq has been convenient or easy as you keep saying. And Bush said from the begining that it was going to be a hard long road.

I wouldn't believe much in wikipedia. It's nothing more than a blog that people are free to edit as they want. This whole Plame/Wilson media frenzy was started with Wilson. Since he is now discredited so is the whole affair.

Again that's not true - the controversy in the US was initiated by Wilson's report, but clearly there were others who were interested in the story long before him the only difference being that he reported it to a major publication who ran with the story, thereby creating the controversy.

Incidentally your perception that wikipedia is inaccurate seems to be based on the way the site works not the strictly accuracy of the contributors - in fact there was a recent study that put Wikipedia only slightly behind Britannica in terms of its accuracy (including technical inaccuracies).

Actually the reason that I and doubtless others cite wikipedia is because it’s the quickest way of getting information at a pinch. Its not infallible, but few sources are as most people will admit. In fact, you don't have to read their article at all - considering that they quote a whole bunch of external references, reports and related new stories (from multiple sources) which are listed at the bottom of the page.

Edited September 8, 2006 by erekose

[type2negative 0]

Just Want to draw your attention Gary, That in some other thread your wife Posted me a picture of a big black cat, That gives me a finger!!!. The picture is animated and flips me off every 20-30 seconds. If I look on it of course. Its even more disterssing , since facial expression of cat doesnt change as it does so. Its up to yo what to do.

LOL-Which thread?

Well it is here:

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...p;hl=TRICK+CARD