Secret Prisons

[*Robert* 2]

As long as we the taxpayers don't pay for it, I don't care.

[iceyspots 0]

pedroh

[*Robert* 2]

pedroh

where is pedroh?!!!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

but ,NO PROBLEM as long as they are doing this profiling to keep us safe.

We talking about the idea that a person's religious beliefs and social attitudes are based on how they look. That goes a ways beyond profiling and has to do with general public perceptions that are becoming increasingly negative as demonstrated by the rise in the number of hate crimes committed against certain ethnic groups

[mmmbop1976 1]

just wanted to get a feel for public opinion on inprisoning people in secret.(i think very dangerous)

you know what was dangerous? those people that were being held. they were plotting to kill you, me, and anybody else that does not live by their ideology(well, maybe not you, maybe you do live according to their ideology, i'm just assuming no). thank you pres bush.

[*Robert* 2]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

[mmmbop1976 1]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

[*Robert* 2]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

[pedroh 21]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

touche.. that's the main issue... isn't US supposedly against those human right violations? so acting like terrorists makes US good? is like 2 negatives becoming a positive? bullcrap.. that's called hipocresy... you ask, no.. you demand something u don't practice.

[Marc and Olga 0]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

I suppose the key word is "secret".

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

touche.. that's the main issue... isn't US supposedly against those human right violations? so acting like terrorists makes US good? is like 2 negatives becoming a positive? bullcrap.. that's called hipocresy... you ask, no.. you demand something u don't practice.

[type2negative 0]

touche.. that's the main issue... isn't US supposedly against those human right violations? so acting like terrorists makes US good? is like 2 negatives becoming a positive? bullcrap.. that's called hipocresy... you ask, no.. you demand something u don't practice.

Bullcrap indeed.!!!!

[mmmbop1976 1]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

funny, i don't think any of bush's political rivals said that there were any human rights violations. john kerry...silent, ted kennedy...silent...et al.....aclu, silent. what human rights were violated?

[*Robert* 2]

what would be better... putting them in secret prisons, or assasinating them covertly?!

prison so they can be interrogated for information that can prevent other attacks, which it has

oh, so that the US can commit human rights violations in secret, yet condem other countries, like China, for doing the same thing?!

funny, i don't think any of bush's political rivals said that there were any human rights violations. john kerry...silent, ted kennedy...silent...et al.....aclu, silent. what human rights were violated?

why would any of the US politicians point a finger at themselves?!!! Abusing prisoners, whether in secret or not, is still an abuse of human rights, and something the US doesn't condone for other countries, so why should it be okay for the US? If it was, then there would be.... SECRET PRISONS!!!

[Marc and Olga 0]

* At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.[1] At least eight people were tortured to death. At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan;[2]

* At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib;[3]

* At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004;[4]

* 12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel;[5]

* 0 CIA personnel have been charged with wrongdoing in connection with alleged involvement in at least 5 deaths;[6]

* As of November 2005, over 83,000 people have been held in U.S. custody, and about 30,000 of those were entered “into the system,” and assigned internment serial numbers in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, and Afghanistan;[7]

* There have been nearly 600 criminal investigations into allegations of detainee abuse; each investigation tends to include more than one U.S. soldier, more than one instance of abuse, and more than one victim. Allegations against 250 Soldiers have been addressed in courts-martial, non-judicial punishments, and other adverse administrative punishments. The highest ranking military member judicially punished in connection with the death of a detainee is Marine Major Clarke Paulus, who was found guilty of maltreatment and dereliction of duty and dismissed from the service.[8]

* Reportedly 100-150 individuals have been rendered from U.S. custody to a foreign country known to torture prisoners, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan;[9]

* There are 6 main acknowledged U.S. detention facilities worldwide--3 in Iraq, 2 in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay;[10]

* There are approximately 25 transient facilities - field prisons designed to house detainees only for a short period until they can be released or transferred to a more permanent facility-in Afghanistan and Iraq;[11]

* There are believed to be at least 11 ‘secret’ detention locations used since September 2001. They are/were CIA facilities in Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Poland, Romania, and Jordan, detention facilities in Alizai, Kohat and Peshawar in Pakistan, a facility on the U.S. Naval Base on the island of Diego-Garcia, and detentions of prisoners on U.S. ships, particularly the USS Peleliu and USS Bataan.[12]

* Over 15,000 people are currently in U.S. detention in just Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. As of February 16, 2006, in Iraq, there were 14,389 detainees in U.S. custody; as of December 2005, the U.S. was holding approximately 500 detainees in Afghanistan; as of February 10, 2006 there are approximately 490 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay and one enemy combatants held in the U.S.;[13]

* 36 prisoners are believed to be held in unknown locations;[14]

* At least 376 foreign fighters detained in Iraq to whom the Administration has asserted the Geneva Conventions do not apply;[15]

* There were up to 100 ghost detainees in Iraq;[16]

* The U.S. transferred at least one dozen prisoners out of Iraq for further interrogation in violation of the Geneva Conventions;[17]

* 8 percent of 517 Guantanamo detainees were considered al Qaeda fighters by the U.S. Government. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection to al Qaeda or Taliban.[18]

* 5 percent of the 517 detainees held at Guantanamo were captured by the United States and the majority of those currently in custody were turned over by other parties during a time when the United States was offering large sums for captured prisoners.[19]

* At least 267 detainees have been released from Guantanamo Bay since January 2002. 187 were released out right, and 80 were transferred to their home countries for continued detention;[20]

* 38 detainees at Guantanamo determined not to be enemy combatants pursuant to CSRT and at least 23 detainees subsequently released; 558 CSRTS conducted in total[21]

* As of February 9, 2006, the military had completed its first round of Administrative Review Board (ARB) hearings, resulting in 463 board recommendations of which Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England, the Designated Civilian Official for ARBs decided to allow 14 releases (3 percent), 120 transfers (26 percent) and to continue to detain 329 individuals (71 percent);[22]

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn...c/factsheet.htm

Maybe Bush's opponent's are saying but humanrightsfirst.org is

Edited September 7, 2006 by Marc and Olga

[*Robert* 2]

* At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.[1] At least eight people were tortured to death. At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan;[2]

* At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib;[3]

* At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004;[4]

* 12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel;[5]

* 0 CIA personnel have been charged with wrongdoing in connection with alleged involvement in at least 5 deaths;[6]

* As of November 2005, over 83,000 people have been held in U.S. custody, and about 30,000 of those were entered “into the system,” and assigned internment serial numbers in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, and Afghanistan;[7]

* There have been nearly 600 criminal investigations into allegations of detainee abuse; each investigation tends to include more than one U.S. soldier, more than one instance of abuse, and more than one victim. Allegations against 250 Soldiers have been addressed in courts-martial, non-judicial punishments, and other adverse administrative punishments. The highest ranking military member judicially punished in connection with the death of a detainee is Marine Major Clarke Paulus, who was found guilty of maltreatment and dereliction of duty and dismissed from the service.[8]

* Reportedly 100-150 individuals have been rendered from U.S. custody to a foreign country known to torture prisoners, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan;[9]

* There are 6 main acknowledged U.S. detention facilities worldwide--3 in Iraq, 2 in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay;[10]

* There are approximately 25 transient facilities - field prisons designed to house detainees only for a short period until they can be released or transferred to a more permanent facility-in Afghanistan and Iraq;[11]

* There are believed to be at least 11 ‘secret’ detention locations used since September 2001. They are/were CIA facilities in Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Poland, Romania, and Jordan, detention facilities in Alizai, Kohat and Peshawar in Pakistan, a facility on the U.S. Naval Base on the island of Diego-Garcia, and detentions of prisoners on U.S. ships, particularly the USS Peleliu and USS Bataan.[12]

* Over 15,000 people are currently in U.S. detention in just Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. As of February 16, 2006, in Iraq, there were 14,389 detainees in U.S. custody; as of December 2005, the U.S. was holding approximately 500 detainees in Afghanistan; as of February 10, 2006 there are approximately 490 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay and one enemy combatants held in the U.S.;[13]

* 36 prisoners are believed to be held in unknown locations;[14]

* At least 376 foreign fighters detained in Iraq to whom the Administration has asserted the Geneva Conventions do not apply;[15]

* There were up to 100 ghost detainees in Iraq;[16]

* The U.S. transferred at least one dozen prisoners out of Iraq for further interrogation in violation of the Geneva Conventions;[17]

* 8 percent of 517 Guantanamo detainees were considered al Qaeda fighters by the U.S. Government. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection to al Qaeda or Taliban.[18]

* 5 percent of the 517 detainees held at Guantanamo were captured by the United States and the majority of those currently in custody were turned over by other parties during a time when the United States was offering large sums for captured prisoners.[19]

* At least 267 detainees have been released from Guantanamo Bay since January 2002. 187 were released out right, and 80 were transferred to their home countries for continued detention;[20]

* 38 detainees at Guantanamo determined not to be enemy combatants pursuant to CSRT and at least 23 detainees subsequently released; 558 CSRTS conducted in total[21]

* As of February 9, 2006, the military had completed its first round of Administrative Review Board (ARB) hearings, resulting in 463 board recommendations of which Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England, the Designated Civilian Official for ARBs decided to allow 14 releases (3 percent), 120 transfers (26 percent) and to continue to detain 329 individuals (71 percent);[22]

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn...c/factsheet.htm

Maybe Bush's opponent's are saying but humanrightsfirst.org is

didn't see that.... all i can say is.... WOW... unbelievable...

its funny how the US always seems to be about the law, yet holds other countries to standards its not willing to follow...