Secret Prisons

[Marc and Olga 0]

OK You can indulge in verbal masturbation now. Here is you buddy erecose.... Enjoy... I will leave you in privacy

Says the guy who has yet to make a single post about the issue under discussion in this thread.

I was thinking that, myself...

[pedroh 21]

dudes, chill, you're trying to argue against a guy who has a confederate flag.. lol.. he's hunting possums for dinner right now.. yeeehawww..

trying to argue against a 'rebel' is pointles.. period

[jjjimmy 0]

when you slam him its only encouragment

[pedroh 21]

Honestly? Here's my opinion about "secret prisons" .

GO RIGHT AHEAD!!!!

Why?!- Because I believe that when they DO arrest someone that person is doing something they should not be doing ,like communicating with potential terrorists,acting in a strange way that leads the government to think that he/she may support terrorism. I'd much rather have one innocent person send to Cuba then one guilty terrorist running around because there's no legal way to get suspects under arrest.

I don't belive they would knowingly imprison someone who's completly innocent.

And IF that happens,well it is sad but like I said I believe they should be doing anything and everything,including some other things that have been on the news since 9/11 to protect the USA .

What other things those are,well ppl read my mind because I'm tired of being called a racist and all other nice things in the book.

Whatever it takes to avoid another 9/11-GO FOR IT!!!!!!!

Nat

'id much rather have one innocent person sent to Cuba'.. yeah right, you'd be whining like a fukcin crazy and rallying to DC with a million whiteys calling it 'discrimination'.. hahaha.. u say that just because u will never be profiled for any reason.. but I hope u or someone beloved has to pay the price of 'protecting our freedoms'..

i wouldn't say ur racist, just a dumb prejudist..

[Ban Hammer 13,345]

dudes, chill, you're trying to argue against a guy who has a confederate flag.. lol.. he's hunting possums for dinner right now.. yeeehawww..

trying to argue against a 'rebel' is pointles.. period

speculation with no merit

[jjjimmy 0]

ethnic cleansing always starts with one group now its muslims that people hate, i think her opinions would be diff. if it was natashas group!!!!

[Mirorgate 0]

ethnic cleansing always starts with one group now its muslims that people hate, i think her opinions would be diff. if it was natashas group!!!!

Being Muslim or not has NOTHING to do with ethnicity. Muslim is belief.. not physical characteristic.

[pedroh 21]

ethnic cleansing always starts with one group now its muslims that people hate, i think her opinions would be diff. if it was natashas group!!!!

Being Muslim or not has NOTHING to do with ethnicity. Muslim is belief.. not physical characteristic.

yeah, a smart person knows that.. not the millions of dumb americans who believe in 'the war of terror'..

[jjjimmy 0]

agreed but believe me people do put those of certain ethnicitys in THE group i agree it is wrong but was only trying to give an example of who is ok to take to secret prisons today.tommorro who knows.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Honestly? Here's my opinion about "secret prisons" .

GO RIGHT AHEAD!!!!

Why?!- Because I believe that when they DO arrest someone that person is doing something they should not be doing ,like communicating with potential terrorists,acting in a strange way that leads the government to think that he/she may support terrorism. I'd much rather have one innocent person send to Cuba then one guilty terrorist running around because there's no legal way to get suspects under arrest.

I don't belive they would knowingly imprison someone who's completly innocent.

And IF that happens,well it is sad but like I said I believe they should be doing anything and everything,including some other things that have been on the news since 9/11 to protect the USA .

What other things those are,well ppl read my mind because I'm tired of being called a racist and all other nice things in the book.

Whatever it takes to avoid another 9/11-GO FOR IT!!!!!!!

Nat

'id much rather have one innocent person sent to Cuba'.. yeah right, you'd be whining like a fukcin crazy and rallying to DC with a million whiteys calling it 'discrimination'.. hahaha.. u say that just because u will never be profiled for any reason.. but I hope u or someone beloved has to pay the price of 'protecting our freedoms'..

i wouldn't say ur racist, just a dumb prejudist..

Noone seemed to bat an eye about the thread the other day in which there was an article about how 'brown peoples' are being uniformly typecast as muslim. That IS racist.

Edited September 7, 2006 by erekose

[pedroh 21]

dumbarses, likes the ones who fly and freak out when a guy prays in other language than english, think a muslim is a brown short dude who talks funny, and looks 'like a terrorist'.. unfortunately muslim= terrorist.. and all brown people who dont look like amigos, fall in that category (hell, even jews who move their heads when praying are muslim terrorists)

Honestly? Here's my opinion about "secret prisons" .

GO RIGHT AHEAD!!!!

Why?!- Because I believe that when they DO arrest someone that person is doing something they should not be doing ,like communicating with potential terrorists,acting in a strange way that leads the government to think that he/she may support terrorism. I'd much rather have one innocent person send to Cuba then one guilty terrorist running around because there's no legal way to get suspects under arrest.

I don't belive they would knowingly imprison someone who's completly innocent.

And IF that happens,well it is sad but like I said I believe they should be doing anything and everything,including some other things that have been on the news since 9/11 to protect the USA .

What other things those are,well ppl read my mind because I'm tired of being called a racist and all other nice things in the book.

Whatever it takes to avoid another 9/11-GO FOR IT!!!!!!!

Nat

'id much rather have one innocent person sent to Cuba'.. yeah right, you'd be whining like a fukcin crazy and rallying to DC with a million whiteys calling it 'discrimination'.. hahaha.. u say that just because u will never be profiled for any reason.. but I hope u or someone beloved has to pay the price of 'protecting our freedoms'..

i wouldn't say ur racist, just a dumb prejudist..

Noone seemed to bat an eye about the thread the other day in which there was an article about how 'brown peoples' are being uniformly typecast as muslim. That IS racist.

OWNED

[jjjimmy 0]

but ,NO PROBLEM as long as they are doing this profiling to keep us safe.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Yesterday, I watched just a little on CNN while at the gym and one Republican Senator was making the argument that military rules for treatment of prisoners doesn't apply here because the CIA is a civilian organization. #######??? And after all the criticism Clinton got over arguing about what is 'is'. Talk about legal hairsplitting. Holy Shiite!

Exactly! Using trial lawyers to twist legalities is nothing new, but its ironic - because that's the exact complaint that the administration had about the Supreme Court two years ago.

Similarly while any sort of comment that even hints at an attempt to question the ethicality of the policy is jumped on as "supporting the enemy", that criticism assumes an unquestioned assumption that those in Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo Bay are "supposed" to be there (in other words assuming guilt before being proved innocent).

There have been some questions over that issue - that certain of the detainees should never have been imprisoned and were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time, which incidentally would explain why many of the detainees have been released without any charge whatsoever.

Of course noone can verify this for certain because the administration keeps denying the captives due process of law, laws which are observed for USC's - even those accused of the most horrific crimes.

* At least 45 detainees died in U.S. custody due to suspected or confirmed criminal homicides.[1] At least eight people were tortured to death. At least 98 detainees have died while in U.S. custody in Iraq or Afghanistan;[2]

* At least 69 of the detainees died at locations other than Abu Ghraib;[3]

* At least 51 detainees have died in U.S. custody since Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld was informed of the abuses at Abu Ghraib on January 16, 2004;[4]

* 12 deaths have led to punishments of U.S. personnel;[5]

* 0 CIA personnel have been charged with wrongdoing in connection with alleged involvement in at least 5 deaths;[6]

* As of November 2005, over 83,000 people have been held in U.S. custody, and about 30,000 of those were entered “into the system,” and assigned internment serial numbers in Iraq, Guantanamo Bay, and Afghanistan;[7]

* There have been nearly 600 criminal investigations into allegations of detainee abuse; each investigation tends to include more than one U.S. soldier, more than one instance of abuse, and more than one victim. Allegations against 250 Soldiers have been addressed in courts-martial, non-judicial punishments, and other adverse administrative punishments. The highest ranking military member judicially punished in connection with the death of a detainee is Marine Major Clarke Paulus, who was found guilty of maltreatment and dereliction of duty and dismissed from the service.[8]

* Reportedly 100-150 individuals have been rendered from U.S. custody to a foreign country known to torture prisoners, including to Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Jordan and Pakistan;[9]

* There are 6 main acknowledged U.S. detention facilities worldwide--3 in Iraq, 2 in Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay;[10]

* There are approximately 25 transient facilities - field prisons designed to house detainees only for a short period until they can be released or transferred to a more permanent facility-in Afghanistan and Iraq;[11]

* There are believed to be at least 11 ‘secret’ detention locations used since September 2001. They are/were CIA facilities in Afghanistan, Guantanamo, Poland, Romania, and Jordan, detention facilities in Alizai, Kohat and Peshawar in Pakistan, a facility on the U.S. Naval Base on the island of Diego-Garcia, and detentions of prisoners on U.S. ships, particularly the USS Peleliu and USS Bataan.[12]

* Over 15,000 people are currently in U.S. detention in just Iraq, Afghanistan and Guantanamo Bay. As of February 16, 2006, in Iraq, there were 14,389 detainees in U.S. custody; as of December 2005, the U.S. was holding approximately 500 detainees in Afghanistan; as of February 10, 2006 there are approximately 490 detainees held at Guantanamo Bay and one enemy combatants held in the U.S.;[13]

* 36 prisoners are believed to be held in unknown locations;[14]

* At least 376 foreign fighters detained in Iraq to whom the Administration has asserted the Geneva Conventions do not apply;[15]

* There were up to 100 ghost detainees in Iraq;[16]

* The U.S. transferred at least one dozen prisoners out of Iraq for further interrogation in violation of the Geneva Conventions;[17]

* 8 percent of 517 Guantanamo detainees were considered al Qaeda fighters by the U.S. Government. Of the remaining detainees, 40% have no definitive connection to al Qaeda or Taliban.[18]

* 5 percent of the 517 detainees held at Guantanamo were captured by the United States and the majority of those currently in custody were turned over by other parties during a time when the United States was offering large sums for captured prisoners.[19]

* At least 267 detainees have been released from Guantanamo Bay since January 2002. 187 were released out right, and 80 were transferred to their home countries for continued detention;[20]

* 38 detainees at Guantanamo determined not to be enemy combatants pursuant to CSRT and at least 23 detainees subsequently released; 558 CSRTS conducted in total[21]

* As of February 9, 2006, the military had completed its first round of Administrative Review Board (ARB) hearings, resulting in 463 board recommendations of which Deputy Secretary of Defense Gordon R. England, the Designated Civilian Official for ARBs decided to allow 14 releases (3 percent), 120 transfers (26 percent) and to continue to detain 329 individuals (71 percent);[22]

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/us_law/etn...c/factsheet.htm

[pedroh 21]

but ,NO PROBLEM as long as they are doing this profiling to keep us safe.

and it's not affecting me, or the people who defend these policies.. but wait until its their turn, to see how much do they like the policies.. lawl

[jjjimmy 0]